Pope Francis has died, Vatican says, 21 Apr 2025

[Dotta]

Given that he's a citizen of Peru, and must surely be a Vatican citizen by virtue of being its head of state, couldn't he just renounce his American citizenship if the IRS comes calling?

Why should the Pope renounce his American citizenship?
He is American by birth.


Besides!!!

Mind the quote:

"Taking over the throne of Peter
means giving up the salary.

The successor of Christ on Earth does not receive a fixed salary,
but he does have the papal estate at his disposal,
and all the costs of its maintenance are covered by the Church.

• Francis, Benedict XVI and John Paul II did not receive any remuneration for being Pope.
• The Vatican bears the cost of maintaining the Pope, which is estimated at about $100,000 a year.
• The Holy See spends 140 million euros annually on salaries for 4,000 employees – clergy and laity."

Ile zarabia papież? Kardynałowie dostają 5000 euro

Kardynałowie w Watykanie otrzymują miesięczne wynagrodzenie w wysokości 5000-5500 euro. A ile zarabia papież? Objęcie tronu Piotrowego wiąże się z rezygnacją z pobierania pensji. Następca Chrystusa na Ziemi nie otrzymuje więc stałego wynagrodzenia, jednak dysponuje papieskim majątkiem, a...

www.polskieradio.pl

 

[detective.moon]

Given that he's a citizen of Peru, and must surely be a Vatican citizen by virtue of being its head of state, couldn't he just renounce his American citizenship if the IRS comes calling?

i imagine that would be taken badly

i remember my dad, who was a catholic, was quite happy about paying taxes! he had his education with the jesuits, that might have something to do with it.

 

[Sundog]

Given that he's a citizen of Peru, and must surely be a Vatican citizen by virtue of being its head of state, couldn't he just renounce his American citizenship if the IRS comes calling?

He could renounce either citizenship if he wanted to, but I seriously doubt he would do that. That would be quite a shock to many American Catholics, who are so proud that he is the first American Pope. I think he will just pay his taxes, like others do who pay their taxes on world-wide earnings. Seems to me that would be the appropriate thing to do.

Maybe he was already paying U.S. taxes from his earnings while working in Peru, or perhaps the Augustinian Order was paying it for him, or some such measure, I don't know how it works.

Also, according to the article I posted, the Pope is not a citizen of the Vatican state. He IS the state. Hard to get my head around that, but that is a distinction the article makes.

 

[Dotta]

He could renounce either citizenship if he wanted to, but I seriously doubt he would do that. That would be quite a shock to many American Catholics, who are so proud that he is the first American Pope. I think he will just pay his taxes, like others do who pay their taxes on world-wide earnings. Seems to me that would be the appropriate thing to do.

Maybe he was already paying U.S. taxes from his earnings while working in Peru, or perhaps the Augustinian Order was paying it for him, or some such measure, I don't know how it works.

Also, according to the article I posted, the Pope is not a citizen of the Vatican state. He IS the state. Hard to get my head around that, but that is a distinction the article makes.

Everything is performed according to law and its rules.

Let's be serious.

 

[Sundog]

Why should the Pope renounce his American citizenship?
He is American by birth.


Besides!!!

Mind the quote:

"Taking over the throne of Peter
means giving up the salary.

The successor of Christ on Earth does not receive a fixed salary,
but he does have the papal estate at his disposal,
and all the costs of its maintenance are covered by the Church.

• Francis, Benedict XVI and John Paul II did not receive any remuneration for being Pope.
• The Vatican bears the cost of maintaining the Pope, which is estimated at about $100,000 a year.
• The Holy See spends 140 million euros annually on salaries for 4,000 employees – clergy and laity."

Ile zarabia papież? Kardynałowie dostają 5000 euro

Kardynałowie w Watykanie otrzymują miesięczne wynagrodzenie w wysokości 5000-5500 euro. A ile zarabia papież? Objęcie tronu Piotrowego wiąże się z rezygnacją z pobierania pensji. Następca Chrystusa na Ziemi nie otrzymuje więc stałego wynagrodzenia, jednak dysponuje papieskim majątkiem, a...

www.polskieradio.pl

According to Nuttmegg's post, above, the Pope is provided with a substantial salary, similar to the salary of a U.S. university president. It is possible, though, that he will turn it down, as did Pope Francis, and just receive a modest stipend, instead. Then his taxes would be much lower.

Pope Francis could have been paid as much as the president, but instead gave his substantial salary away to the poor and needy

The pope also refused to live in the papal apartments or visit the papal summer residence.

fortune.com

 

[Dotta]

According to Nuttmegg's post, above, the Pope is provided with a substantial salary, similar to the salary of a U.S. university president. It is possible, though, that he will turn it down, as did Pope Francis, and just receive a modest stipend, instead. Then his taxes would be much lower.

Pope Francis could have been paid as much as the president, but instead gave his substantial salary away to the poor and needy

The pope also refused to live in the papal apartments or visit the papal summer residence.

fortune.com

I'm not a person interested in peeking into somebody's wallet
I'm sure all is conducted according to Law & Tradition.

JMO

 

[PrairieWind]

U.S. citizens have to pay taxes on their world-wide earnings, so unless there is some special arrangement made for the Pope, then he will have to pay U.S. taxes on his earnings. Apparently, that wasn't an issue for the last three popes, as their home countries (Poland Germany, Argentina) don't have laws that require taxation of world-wide income.

Can Pope Leo XIV keep his American citizenship as pope?

In addition to being a natural-born American citizen, Pope Leo XIV is also a naturalized citizen of Peru, having ministered there for decades.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

That is interesting. Clearly, Robert Francis Prevost, will have to file a tax return for 2025 with all his income listed.

 

[Sundog]

I'm not a person interested in peeking into somebody's wallet
I'm sure all is conducted according to Law & Tradition.

JMO

U.S. law requires that citizens pay taxes. That's what the article is about. And I think that Pope Leo would want to be transparent about salary issues, since he knows that Rome's finances are made up of funds from individuals around the world who support the church. I think he will welcome transparency, whether he accepts a salary or not.

 

[Dotta]

U.S. law requires that citizens pay taxes. That's what the article is about. And I think that Pope Leo would want to be transparent about salary issues, since he knows that Rome's finances are made up of funds from individuals around the world who support the church. I think he will welcome transparency, whether he accepts a salary or not.

Of course he will.
Why wouldn't he?

 

[PrairieWind]

He could renounce either citizenship if he wanted to, but I seriously doubt he would do that. That would be quite a shock to many American Catholics, who are so proud that he is the first American Pope. I think he will just pay his taxes, like others do who pay their taxes on world-wide earnings. Seems to me that would be the appropriate thing to do.

Maybe he was already paying U.S. taxes from his earnings while working in Peru, or perhaps the Augustinian Order was paying it for him, or some such measure, I don't know how it works.

Also, according to the article I posted, the Pope is not a citizen of the Vatican state. He IS the state. Hard to get my head around that, but that is a distinction the article makes.

I don't see American Catholics as "proud he is the first American Pope." I'm not seeing that here. I see it mentioned in foreign media, and I think that is very misleading.

 

[Sundog]

That is interesting. Clearly, Robert Francis Prevost, will have to file a tax return for 2025 with all his income listed.

According to the article linked below (which might be out of date in terms of its content), it says that the IRS does not tax religious men and women who have taken a vow of poverty and receive no salary, only a modest allowance. The IRS does not tax the modest allowance.

In any event, unless that applies to him, Pope Leo has been likely paying U.S. tax both while serving in Peru as a missionary and while working within the Augustinian Order in the U.S. (I think it's likely that the Augustinian Order was handling his finances while he was serving in Peru as part of the U.S. Augustinian Order.) He also would have been paying into U.S. Social Security and Medicare as required by the IRS.

JMO, not a tax expert, but I do pay taxes on my world-wide earnings.

When It Comes to the Clergy, U.S. Tax Officials Go Strictly by the Book

Finance: IRS keeps sharp eye on such items as wedding fees and only considers ministers independent contractors in limited cases.

www.latimes.com

 

[PrairieWind]

According to the article linked below (which might be out of date in terms of its content), it says that the IRS does not tax religious men and women who have taken a vow of poverty and receive no salary, only a modest allowance. The IRS does not tax the modest allowance.

In any event, unless that applies to him, Pope Leo has been likely paying U.S. tax both while serving in Peru as a missionary and while working within the Augustinian Order in the U.S. (I think it's likely that the Augustinian Order was handling his finances while he was serving in Peru as part of the U.S. Augustinian Order.) He also would have been paying into U.S. Social Security and Medicare as required by the IRS.

JMO, not a tax expert, but I do pay taxes on my world-wide earnings.

When It Comes to the Clergy, U.S. Tax Officials Go Strictly by the Book

Finance: IRS keeps sharp eye on such items as wedding fees and only considers ministers independent contractors in limited cases.

www.latimes.com

I think Cardinal Prevost did earn a salary and thus still has to file a return.

 

[Sundog]

dbm

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

Pope Leo XIV has chosen “to maintain an active social media presence through the official papal accounts on X and Instagram," according to a press release from the Dicastery for Communication on Tuesday.

The Pope’s first post on Instagram, and a day later on X, was taken from his first public address at the Urbi et Orbi just after his election on May 8. The Instagram post included several iconic photos from the first days of his pontificate.

Pope Leo XIV publishes first post on papal social media accounts - Vatican News

Pope Leo XIV has published his first post on Instagram and X, which were employed to great effect by his predecessors, Pope Francis and Pope Benedict ...

www.vaticannews.va

 

[BayouBelle_LA]

I don't see American Catholics as "proud he is the first American Pope." I'm not seeing that here. I see it mentioned in foreign media, and I think that is very misleading.

I’m both shocked and elated. Maybe it’s because I didn’t think I would see it in my lifetime.

I’ve always seen the Pope as the Church leader for all Catholics and have never given much thought to where they were born. To most Catholics the Pope is regarded with reverence and prayed for even if his views don’t align perfectly with their own views. IMO

 

[Sundog]

Pope Leo XIV expected to live in traditional papal apartment unused by Francis

The papal apartment, which is a series of rooms wrapping around the Vatican’s Sixtus V Courtyard, was the traditional home of pontiffs for over a century.

www.catholicnewsagency.com

 

[sds71]

“He washed the feet of the faithful in a shack with a dirt floor, wore jeans and spoke plainly. His homilies were unusually direct. ‘He’d say that a homily should be short and to the point, like a miniskirt.’”

https://www.nytimes.com/2025/05/17/world/europe/robert-prevost-pope-leo-xiv.html?smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

 

[sds71]

Pope Leo enters the popemobile for the first time.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923997793070231985

 

[detective.moon]

Pope Leo enters the popemobile for the first time.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1923997793070231985

and here he is making his first ride in it!

ten thousands of people have gathered for the inauguration today. pope leo will receive his fisherman ring and a stola made out of lams wool - a symbol of him being like a shepherd.

the article also mentions both the peruvian and US delegation will get a front row seat at the ceremony.

Leo XIV officieel geïnstalleerd, roept op tot eenheid en vrede

Leo XIV is vandaag officieel ingewijd als de 267e paus.

nos.nl

 

[whitelilac]

^ I thought there was a protective barrier on the Popemobile after Pope John Paul II was victim of an assassination attempt. I guess not, or maybe Pope Leo didn't want it?