Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia #2

[ScottToorak]

12 noon today at the airport…….

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Then 4.00om today….

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Looks to me like they have fitted solar panels to the thing on wheels…. Whatever it is …. some kind of camera??? IMO

https://view.myairportcams.com/YPOK/showimagecamera1.php

Police are probably watching the airport 24/7 just in case an exit by hijacking a light plane is being planned by Dezi

 

[Kemug]

Not only squalid, but also surely unhygenic. No place for a toddler to live, especially if unvaccinated.

 

[SouthAussie]

This Border Mail article says (paraphrased) that the video taken by the family member is 26 minutes long - so there is a lot of it that the media are not republishing.

Border Mail states that they have chosen not to republish any of it.

Parents of late officer visit site of Freeman manhunt after family leaks video

One of Dezi Freeman's family members was filming as officers killed.

www.bordermail.com.au

 

[essareem]

I'm looking at the photos on a phone so maybe I'm not seeing everything properly, but IMO it doesn't look dirty per se, about the most I can see is the items in the sink, and it looks like the items that are strewn around the place were recently moved, also a chook has made a new home in the abandoned site. Nothing looks like it was sitting there for a long period of time... How do we know it isn't in a messy state due to the standoff and following search(es) / crime scene processing? It's been over 2 weeks since the standoff. IMO I don't think we can judge unless we see a before photo.

What I can easily judge is that they were either living in poverty or choosing a simple life. I would guess the former due to Dezi's son's comment:

"Dad was quite the craftsman ... he built it all especially for us, and it worked out pretty well,”
“He specifically built it because of the housing crisis, he knew that he would never actually be able to find a home, so he built that."

 

[mamamama9873]

I'm looking at the photos on a phone so maybe I'm not seeing everything properly, but IMO it doesn't look dirty per se, about the most I can see is the items in the sink, a and it looks like the items that are strewn around the place were recently moved, and a chook has made a new home in the abandoned site. Nothing looks like it was sitting there for a long period of time... How do we know it isn't in a messy state due to the standoff and following search(es) / crime scene processing? It's been over 2 weeks since the standoff. IMO I don't think we can judge unless we see a before photo.

What I can easily judge is that they were either living in poverty or choosing a simple life. I would guess the former due to Dezi's son's comment:

"Dad was quite the craftsman ... he built it all especially for us, and it worked out pretty well,”
“He specifically built it because of the housing crisis, he knew that he would never actually be able to find a home, so he built that."

I agree, the mess could have been created by a police search.

The stills from the video showed the makeshift kitchen and it looked fairly organised.

 

[Ijustgarden]

Has that bus been wrapped? The caravan behind it looks like it’s in the same camouflage tone.

 

[essareem]

I agree, the mess could have been created by a police search.

The stills from the video showed the makeshift kitchen and it looked fairly organised.

Agreed re: the stills. Far from the conventional homes we are used to, but it appeared that everything had its place. IMO

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Has that bus been wrapped? The caravan behind it looks like it’s in the same camouflage tone. View attachment 613926

The bus does appear to me to be wrapped with a sandy brown vinyl, with the wrap peeling.

Edit: Found the photo of the bus from around the time it was purchased. Photo from a Daily Mail article:

 

[SouthAussie]

I was thinking about the initial search warrant in respect to the sex charges.

Maybe the search warrant was issued because the victim(s) said that Filby took inappropriate photos. So the police were issued a warrant to look for photos. Just was thinking that he is supposedly into photography.

imo

 

[SouthAussie]

Has that bus been wrapped? The caravan behind it looks like it’s in the same camouflage tone.

It could be efforts to keep out the wet and the wind. To me it looks like winter camping, only full-time (more than looking like a tiny-house situation).

imo

 

[essareem]

I was thinking about the initial search warrant in respect to the sex charges.

Maybe the search warrant was issued because the victim(s) said that Filby took inappropriate photos. So the police were issued a warrant to look for photos. Just was thinking that he is supposedly into photography.

imo

Well, I am very confident that the truth on that matter will come out soon. IMO

 

[SouthAussie]

Well, I am very confident that the truth on that matter will come out soon. IMO

When the police (and media) are protecting a minor(s) there is only so much they can officially say.

imo

 

[essareem]

It could be efforts to keep out the wet and the wind. To me it looks like winter camping, only full-time (more than looking like a tiny-house situation).

imo

That makes sense. I wonder how they kept warm in the freezing winters... that rig could not hold heat to save its life. Just the bus windows alone... Geez

 

[SouthAussie]

That makes sense. I wonder how they kept warm in the freezing winters... that rig could not hold heat to save its life. Just the bus windows alone... Geez

I thought I saw a stovepipe jutting up behind the table inside the annex. Possibly a wood burning stove.

imo

 

[reepbot]

The footage of before the shooting, and the news article downplaying the assault allegations against Dezi. It all feels like he's got his own PR team out there trying to control the narrative.

 

[TootsieFootsie]

Plenty of wood there for your stove, fire.
If he did get wood, I imagine he didn't bother with a permit.

Wood, deer meat etc, all there for the taking, for free.

 

[Cryptic]

Yes, though the police seem to think that people are helping him? If so, I'm curious how they are doing that. How did he communicate with them? It just seems so risky for Dezi to do that.

My guess is that the possible shelter arrangements were already in place prior to the shootings.
Though Sovereigns are not big on any kind of hierarchy....

Freeman's landlord (lady) is semi famous with in the movement and serves as a sort of guru via her social media "teach ins", web presence and perhaps personal appearances at speaking events.

Freeman's association with her would add to the any charisma hat he holds. He is handsome- rarely a detractor whether its business, military, or politics. Add some garbled philosophical "insight", and Freeman could be seen as a local "first amongst equals".

Some of the other equal Sovereigns then affirm support to Freeman should the oppressive government make its "final move" against him. Following the murders, Freeman makes his way to one of heir houses.

The host is stunned- he thought the "Final move" would be "Duuude, they put a warrant on me for the Exposure swim. But when they towed my unregistered free car, the free wife got really pissed" and not double murder. But.... out of a mixture of support for Sovereign ideology, friendship and perhaps a little fear, he takes Freeman in....

 

[iamshadow21]

That makes sense. I wonder how they kept warm in the freezing winters... that rig could not hold heat to save its life. Just the bus windows alone... Geez

They couldn't.

My partner is friends with someone online whose family lived for some years in a communal living type situation in a balmy area of a Mediterranean country. In a bus much like that one. It was roasting in summer, freezing in winter, and leaked constantly.

They finally saved enough to move to a derelict kind of chateau with a broken, fifty year old heating system, plumbing that was older, that had been unused for ten years after being a hospice or something. That was immeasurably better than the bus was. They're slowly restoring it now.

MOO

 

[scapa]

I am all for de escalation, in situations where de-escalation is possible. Militant Sovereign Citizens, however, deliberately and consciously set themselves on a confrontational course with the government.

Once that mind set is developed, the only de escalation that they are willing to accept is that the government never makes them do anything that they do not want to do.

And.... they can have a long list of things that they do not want to do: Answer questions about criminal charges, pay taxes, register vehicles, obey traffic laws, obey weapons laws etc.

In short, my bet is the police could have brought a long any number of therapists, counselors, trained negotiators etc. Not only would doing so place their lives at risk, but Freeman's end response would very still be:

I am not going to recognize any governmental authority in regards to anything that I don't want to do. This is one of the many things that I don't want to do.

Excellent post an analysis, and I agree.

Would only add that, faced with capitulation from the authorities they hate, Sovereign Citizens are likely to make that long list of things they do not want to do still longer.

There is no obvious end to such a negotiation, however expertly managed by LE/ other authorities. It is hard to see those images, watch that video or even read the summaries without wondering why there weren't stronger attempts to defuse the arrest attempt. But my limited take on DF's previous encounters with LE strongly suggests that he was likely to resist demands for surrender on any terms but his own.

The right or wrong of the alleged charges is for me a separate discussion.

IMHO, MOO, etc,

 

[Twistinginthewind]

Just curious to know if the police would have arrived unannounced at the property or would they have made contact prior to arriving to advise they would be attending. I am presuming the two deceased officers entered first and one of those was a detective and the other younger officer a public order response officer on secondment to the area. Would I be wrong to presume a public order response officer would be pretty capable physically when it comes to making an arrest? What were the other 7 officers doing at the time and where were they in relation to the escape of the alleged perpertrator?. How can a man and women run from the scene of such devastation when 7 other officers are in the vicinity who would be armed ? I am confused.

Good questions. I'm just giving an opinion here based on reading MSM articles thus far on the reason for LE to have arrived at the property that day. I haven't seen anything specific in MSM, but I could have missed a statement beyond he had been charged or was being investigated for child sexual abuse.

Perhaps, LE brought "extra" manpower due to his recalcitrant behavior if he was not responding previously to requests for him to appear at the local LE station and/or in court about the child sexual abuse, and perhaps because they had looked into him and his living circumstances or lifestyle, and knew he might be a loose cannon regarding any LE interactions since he was, to put it simply "anti-government".

They could have been there just to door knock and speak with him and/or physically serve him papers which had been ignored in the mail, such as a mandatory "last chance" to respond before an arrest warrant was issued, cuz time was running out, perhaps?

They could have been there simply to arrest him because he was nonresponsive/noncompliant to LE and/or court mandated previous appearance requests?

As in, he had gone "askance" and they had gotten nowhere for some time following their protocols for contacting a man accused of sexual abuse of a child under the age of 16 years old.

Unannounced in any way, shape or form seems less likely, IMO, unless it was because the court had already punted to LE or LE was the lead and had already served him papers requesting he meet with them at the station and/or court house on a specific day/time, and he was nonresponsive.... maybe they gave him a window as in, e.g., "your failure to respond/appear requires LE to come to your known address within X days of this final request" kind of thing.

Announced beforehand, through whichever legal process, I would suspect, is why he did what he did, murdered them and then when they were down, took one or some of their weapons (if he was short handed, it being difficult to buy a gun publicly there I've heard), because he was adamantly opposed to anyone calling him on or taking him in for what he may have had victims and witness testify to which he had done to minor children, which is a felony, I believe.

Since they went there to follow up on child sexual abuse charges that were possibly recent (in last 2 years) and/or historic (maybe longer than 2 years ago), which has been reported both ways in early MSM articles anyway, the accusations and/or charges must have been sticking so they were beholden to confront him and force the next step of the criminal and judicial processes.

And he was not going to have a chat or come clean or be taken in for it easily, being an anti-government type purportedly, and LE knew it was a possibility he would resist. So the 3 LE officers at a minimum who approached his door whom he shot down may have tried an initial attempt to contact him while approaching his domicile, the formal door knock if you will, while armed LE (the 7 others) were backup behind them on the perimeters of the property to step in if needed, but not show too much of a force approaching the door with 10 LEOs if it wasn't necessary and would escalate things.

In case he didn't answer the door or ran, and they had to go after him and take him into custody, and the 7 backup officers were needed. The potential for gunfire had to have been in their minds as a possibility, and not totally unexpected, but what was unexpected was that he would shoot the 3 officers on their approach to his door without any warning was (unexpected).

I think it would have been different, LE's approach and stations and numbers of LEOs here and there around the property to catch him if making a runner, if they weren't "just there" to follow up on child sexual abuse charges, which isn't necessarily a crime which would trigger the perp to opt for gun violence.

For all they knew, he was a paedophile who hadn't responded to requests for addressing charges, with anti-government leanings, who could potentially do a runner, and may get violent, but what he did was way beyond the pale and well outside of LE's bounds for needing a SWAT team based on their risk assessment.

JMO

 

[Marg944]

Revealed: Dezi Freeman's chilling warning to his best mate just 24 hours before the fatal ambush that left two cops dead​

“The best mate of suspected cop killer Dezi Freeman has revealed his disturbing exchange with him just 24 hours before the fatal showdown that left two cops dead.

Now former Australian Army soldier Bruce Evans, 60, has told the Daily Mail Freeman had been agitated and disturbed the day before he allegedly gunned down three officers at his home in Porepunkah in Victoria's High Country on August 26.

In a series of messages with the alleged killer before the deadly ambush, Freeman made a terrifying prediction to Mr Evans.

'There's just one part where he cracked the s***s and said he was going to drive away anyway,' Mr Evans revealed.

'He said he didn't give a f*** if he got shot or whatever.'

Mr Evans now fears Freeman will kill himself - but hopes Freeman might still be able to negotiate his surrender in return for a chance to air his extremist views.

He said the shooting of the two police officers was a tragedy which should never have happened, but hoped there might still be a way for Freeman to come forward.

'I think the best thing would be to set up some sort of Zoom meeting with him and give him some airtime,' he said.

'Let him explain everything from his point of view on the condition that he hands himself in.

Police are now grilling anyone he knows to find out if he's made contact with them since he went on the run.

Detectives got Mr Evans use his own personal phone to call Freeman after he was asked to go in to the local police station and help cops hunting the fugitive.

He revealed the fugitive's phone now goes straight to voicemail, but told the Daily Mail that was no surprise.

'I knew he wouldn't answer because the first thing he would've done was ditch his phone because you can be tracked on that,' Mr Evans said.

'The cop was the one who was actually trying it - I was curious as well - but there's no way the call would have.”

Revealed: Dezi Freeman's chilling warning 24 hours before fatal ambush

The best mate of suspected cop killer Dezi Freeman has revealed his disturbing exchange with him just 24 hours before the fatal showdown that left two cops dead.

www.dailymail.co.uk