Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia #2

[BreakingNews]

It's interesting that no one has put their hand out for the reward yet. Maybe no one is harbouring him. Mali and the eldest son seem the obvious ones who may know something. If I was Mali, I'd be cashing in and starting a new life. Surely they all fled the caravan at the same time. I still don't understand how they weren't seen leaving. 10 police, surely the place would have been surrounded. MOO

 

[Chimera]

Jumping in and thanks to everyone for the updates.

Still hoping D. Freeman is caught soon with no other loss of innocent life.
Maybe if and when he's captured he should change his surname to 'Jail-man' ?
I know... silly.
Seriously, he comes across as evil to the core and somewhat deranged as well.
A dangerous combination.
Omo.

 

[Lucy.D]

Seriously, he comes across as evil to the core and somewhat deranged as well.
A dangerous combination.
Omo.

Exactly right and if police thought that way when they went to his bus with a search warrant then imo none of this would be happening.

 

[Bats]

It's interesting that no one has put their hand out for the reward yet. Maybe no one is harbouring him. Mali and the eldest son seem the obvious ones who may know something. If I was Mali, I'd be cashing in and starting a new life. Surely they all fled the caravan at the same time. I still don't understand how they weren't seen leaving. 10 police, surely the place would have been surrounded. MOO

I wonder if the police will keep a constant eye on Mali. I suspect if they are bugging her phone etc then they'll only have a warrant to do that for a limited amount of time. Perhaps there was some sort of arrangement to meet at a certain place on a certain day in the future?

Do we know if Mali wasn't seen when she and children fled the scene of the shooting? I'd find it very hard to believe that the police didn't know where she and the children went. They weren't exactly hiding when they were arrested.

 

[Lucy.D]

I wonder if the police will keep a constant eye on Mali. I suspect if they are bugging her phone etc then they'll only have a warrant to do that for a limited amount of time. Perhaps there was some sort of arrangement to meet at a certain place on a certain day in the future?

Do we know if Mali wasn't seen when she and children fled the scene of the shooting? I'd find it very hard to believe that the police didn't know where she and the children went. They weren't exactly hiding when they were arrested.

When the call was made for the family to hand themselves in, Mali called in to the police station on the day of the shooting. The police then they released her only to have her arrested a night or two later and I would have thought that would have been after they bugged the place she was staying in. Then they said they'd let her go and might charge her with something later. IMO it seems to me like the whole Freeman family are smarter than the police.
I don't think the police knew where any of them went after the shooting and that simply beggars belief.

 

[Bats]

When the call was made for the family to hand themselves in, Mali called in to the police station on the day of the shooting. The police then they released her only to have her arrested a night or two later and I would have thought that would have been after they bugged the place she was staying in. Then they said they'd let her go and might charge her with something later. IMO it seems to me like the whole Freeman family are smarter than the police.
I don't think the police knew where any of them went after the shooting and that simply beggars belief.

I highly doubt they didn't know where she went, personally. Possibly rather perplexed that she and the children would run away and not offer any assistance.

I wouldn't have thought the Freeman family are smarter than the Police. My opinion is the opposite. The Police are looking for someone that has killed two people who reacted in a way that i would consider to be the opposite to being smart. Mali has also acted in a way that i would consider to be the opposite to smart.

MOO

 

[TootsieFootsie]

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9News

Man, property cleared after police operation in search of Dezi Freeman​

A man stopped by police searching for fugitive Dezi Freeman in Victoria yesterday has been cleared of any involvement in the shooting ambush that killed two police officers in Porepunkah on August 26.

A significant police operation took place in the Victorian towns of Benalla and Goomalibee, about 100km from Porepunkah, yesterday.

 

[essareem]

Police ramp up search for Dezi Freeman near Mount Buffalo as manhunt enters 37th day

Almost 100 extra officers are conducting an “additional sweep” of bushland in Mount Buffalo in the search for the alleged police murderer.

www.theage.com.au

Police have deployed nearly 100 extra officers to conduct an “additional sweep” of bushland in Mount Buffalo

The latest search at Mount Buffalo comes a day after police converged on a property in Goomalibee – an hour west of Porepunkah – and intercepted a man in the town of Undera, a further 80 kilometres west.

Both the property and the man intercepted were cleared of involvement in the Freeman case.

Police said Thursday’s operation at Mount Buffalo involved specialist search dogs from Queensland Police.

Hmm, I thought they'd already been using dogs? I wonder what kind of specialist search dogs? Cadaver dogs?

 

[Marg944]

Another news article mentions the dogs, but doesn’t say their speciality.

Scores of officers deployed in fresh Dezi Freeman search​

“Nearly 100 extra officers have been deployed in the Mount Buffalo National Park in a targeted search for alleged cop killer Dezi Freeman.

Victoria Police revealed on Thursday the officers have been brought in from the Public Order Response Team and comes days after Police Commissioner Mike Bush revealed police operations to find Freeman would be scaled back.

It is unclear if the search, which began yesterday, has been triggered by new information or was part of the ongoing operation.

Victoria Police released photos of the latest sweep, which also involved specialist search dogs "scouring the area". The national park is next to the town of Porepunkah, where Freeman is alleged to have shot dead two police officers at his home.”

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[Absoluterubbish]

Unless he has someone/people helping him IMO he’s no longer alive. It’s been over a month.

 

[essareem]

Another news article mentions the dogs, but doesn’t say their speciality.

Scores of officers deployed in fresh Dezi Freeman search​

“Nearly 100 extra officers have been deployed in the Mount Buffalo National Park in a targeted search for alleged cop killer Dezi Freeman.

Victoria Police revealed on Thursday the officers have been brought in from the Public Order Response Team and comes days after Police Commissioner Mike Bush revealed police operations to find Freeman would be scaled back.

It is unclear if the search, which began yesterday, has been triggered by new information or was part of the ongoing operation.

Victoria Police released photos of the latest sweep, which also involved specialist search dogs "scouring the area". The national park is next to the town of Porepunkah, where Freeman is alleged to have shot dead two police officers at his home.”

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Interesting. The search crew in that photo look more like ordinary police. I reckon they're looking for his body. And I feel like they must be pretty sure of it too. But how?

 

[SouthAussie]

I don't think Filby will suicide until he is in a no-win confrontational situation. Probably would opt for suicide-by-cop at that point.

imo

 

[essareem]

I think chance played a big part in it all.
Police took the chance they were working with a normal crim and they could simply barge into Dezi's private space by people who Dezi hated the most.
The whole family scattered and just by chance their exit wasn't covered by any of the remaining 7 police officers.
Mali was able to take two children to a place and just by chance nobody saw them or knew where they went.
And Dezi happened to find probably a pre-planned hiding place that by chance out of all the searches in the bush and likely buildings he found one that police are yet to discover.
I don't think the family had thought about what to do if police came knocking on the door.
If Dezi found himself one day in a whole heap of bother and had to disappear for a while, then he would surely have a great little hiding spot picked out and stocked with supplies so he could sit it out for a while.
But I wouldn't think he planned for anything as big as 450 people to come out looking for him.
If you're right @Warshawski and he's not dead, then IMO he will be pretty close to it.
I would say that the risk to officers looking for his hiding place, if he is in the bush, would be significantly less now after 4 weeks.
Instead of halving their crew, now would be a good time to use all those 450 officers and conduct a thorough search of bushland around Mt Buffalo, which will take a week or so. They only did one big search, with about 150 officers, on one day.
Potential hiding places would have to be entered only by skilled officers, dogs and special services army people would be best.
Police have been standing around at the airfield wasting time, those officers should now be involved in conducting a huge search instead of going home because now I think would be a very good time to find Dezi with a lower risk factor.
I would have thought police really had it in them to find Dezi and I very much doubt there will still be more than 200 officers still on the ground searching for him.
All the money spent on finding him so far has been wasted because they haven't found him and they are now scaling back their efforts without completing the job of searching bushland where he is most likely to be hiding.
Of course, if they find him in someone's shed in Goomalibee then that's my theory down the drain.
JMO

Oh my gosh, I didn't see this post before - turns out you might be right on the money!

 

[essareem]

https://www.news.com.au/national/victoria/crime/extra-police-cadaver-dogs-join-hunt-for-alleged-copkiller-dezi-freeman-in-national-park/news-story/e3638b8764b11dd8baa7c7db6b68253f

They were cadaver dogs apparently.

 

[essareem]

As the Dezi Freeman manhunt drags on, so do the dark days in Porepunkah

Businesses hurt by stay-away orders issued during the search for alleged police killer Dezi Freeman say they are yet to receive the government support they were promised.

www.abc.net.au

Bright and District Chamber of Commerce president Marcus Warner said more than month after the disruptions, businesses were yet to hear from the government.

"Not a single cent has arrived. And I think, to be honest, not even a single phone call has been made to those businesses apart from the ones that we've been making at the chamber."

...

"At this stage we don't anticipate any payments being made in the short term because they haven't been contacted, they haven't even been asked for their ABN and or any evidence and there has been no request for any bank details."

Business Victoria is sending a "small business bus" to Porepunkah and Bright on Monday to provide guidance and financial counselling to small business owners.

Wow, at least they are providing the financial counselling bus though

 

[essareem]

https://www.theaustralian.com.au/nation/how-dezi-freemans-wife-fled-cop-shooting-scene-child-in-arms/news-story/a423bf396f80adbd023d6b6f50f40cfd

Article mentions that Dezi's neighbour, Naomi Wilson, has provided CCTV footage to the police - the footage shows Mali and at least two of her three children fleeing the scene half an hour after the shooting.

Article doesn't show the CCTV footage but it does show a drone video of the layout of the shooting scene, which was filmed after the no-fly zone ended.

 

[BreakingNews]

I mean no disrespect to the police, but I do have to wonder what policing is left undone in order for so many officers to be involved in this search. It's not like we have an overabundance of police, just waiting around for something big to happen. I wonder how Mr Murphy might feel as no one is still searching for his missing wife.

 

[Bats]

I mean no disrespect to the police, but I do have to wonder what policing is left undone in order for so many officers to be involved in this search. It's not like we have an overabundance of police, just waiting around for something big to happen. I wonder how Mr Murphy might feel as no one is still searching for his missing wife.

I think whether its 20 or 200 officers searching for this person, the damage he has caused is far reaching. His actions has and will unfortunately affect and be felt by so many in the community.

My opinion (and i think its the opinion of most) is that 1 officer searching for a murderer and armed fugitive, is 1 officer too many.

If I put my pragmatic hat on, I think the Police will have thoroughly thought through the worthiness of allocating resources, money and time spent. Too little resources, people will complain. Too many resources, people will complain. Money spent here, money spent there ... its a huge balancing act.

 

[Ellery84]

I think whether its 20 or 200 officers searching for this person, the damage he has caused is far reaching. His actions has and will unfortunately affect and be felt by so many in the community.

My opinion (and i think its the opinion of most) is that 1 officer searching for a murderer and armed fugitive, is 1 officer too many.

If I put my pragmatic hat on, I think the Police will have thoroughly thought through the worthiness of allocating resources, money and time spent. Too little resources, people will complain. Too many resources, people will complain. Money spent here, money spent there ... its a huge balancing act.

Hi @Bats . Going on from what you have said regarding the worthiness of allocating resources such as money and time spent - I am just curious as to what you (or any other users) would estimate the total cost of the operation to be from the time of the shootings until now, such as:

450 persons (this is an estimate)
Dog squad
Special ops
Choppers
Drones
Water police
NZ Army
Australian Army
The microwave cameras they set up (I'm sorry I don't know the word for what they're called)
Intelligence
Command centre rental fees?
Catering
Accommodation for workers
Coordination
Transport

The day of the shooting was 26 August, and it's 3 October today so I'm looking at expenses over roughly a 38 days period.

I really appreciate any insight any of you kind folk may have.

Cheers, Ellery.

 

[Ellery84]

I mean no disrespect to the police, but I do have to wonder what policing is left undone in order for so many officers to be involved in this search. It's not like we have an overabundance of police, just waiting around for something big to happen. I wonder how Mr Murphy might feel as no one is still searching for his missing wife.

I hear what you're saying. I'm not from Melbourne, I am a Sydney gal, but I recently visited the beautiful city of Melbourne and police presence was huge. There were cops, security guards, law enforcement everywhere we went and there was this feeling of hyper-vigilance.

I honestly think a lot of additional resources were brought in for Dezi's search from interstate and overseas, which may have prevented the VIC POL force from having their resources drained too much.