Porepunkah shooting: Two officers dead and another wounded after shooting at High Country property, Victoria, Australia

[Absoluterubbish]

So Filby was arrested in 2021 over allegations of sexual offending. Then the police tried to arrest him again last week for sexual offending, and were gunned down.


In 2021, Freeman was arrested while at a protest outside Myrtleford court, over 2019 allegations of sexual-related offending, according to a Border Mail article.

Who is Dezi Freeman? Porepunkah shooting suspect has association with ‘sovereign citizen’ ideas and called police ‘terrorist thugs’

Victoria police say alleged shooter remains on the run and armed after two officers killed and a third injured

www.theguardian.com

Do we know what the outcome of that charge was?

 

[essareem]

So Filby was arrested in 2021 over allegations of sexual offending. Then the police tried to arrest him again last week for sexual offending, and were gunned down.


In 2021, Freeman was arrested while at a protest outside Myrtleford court, over 2019 allegations of sexual-related offending, according to a Border Mail article.

Who is Dezi Freeman? Porepunkah shooting suspect has association with ‘sovereign citizen’ ideas and called police ‘terrorist thugs’

Victoria police say alleged shooter remains on the run and armed after two officers killed and a third injured

www.theguardian.com

If anything, you would think it would have been reported here:

Suspected Porepunkah gunman Dezi Freeman had no convictions for violence or firearm offences, court record shows

The 56-year-old made a series of threats against police and had a long history of minor offences, culminating in the loss of his driver’s licence in 2022

www.theguardian.com

I don't think they would have missed a chance to report on that.

 

[Trooper]

He does not come up on Aust lii ...as Filby or Freeman

Do we know what the outcome of that charge was?

I could find no outcome in the Magistrates court for that year, on Desmond Filby or Freeman ,in these kind of charges it is not unusual for the plantiff to renege on the case, out of fear,or embarrassment, or community /.family pressure.. these kind of cases are very difficult to see thru to the end...because there is usually no resolvement worth a plugged nickel..

 

[Trooper]

So Filby was arrested in 2021 over allegations of sexual offending. Then the police tried to arrest him again last week for sexual offending, and were gunned down.


In 2021, Freeman was arrested while at a protest outside Myrtleford court, over 2019 allegations of sexual-related offending, according to a Border Mail article.

Who is Dezi Freeman? Porepunkah shooting suspect has association with ‘sovereign citizen’ ideas and called police ‘terrorist thugs’

Victoria police say alleged shooter remains on the run and armed after two officers killed and a third injured

www.theguardian.com

I see that VICPOL is undergoing that well worn path of dribbling and dripping bits of ghastly info into the stratosphere, to the detriment of their target ( Dez , good ol Dez ) in the hopes that the scales will fall from the eyes of his loyal followers... it is usually very effective, too...

 

[Absoluterubbish]

If anything, you would think it would have been reported here:

Suspected Porepunkah gunman Dezi Freeman had no convictions for violence or firearm offences, court record shows

The 56-year-old made a series of threats against police and had a long history of minor offences, culminating in the loss of his driver’s licence in 2022

www.theguardian.com

I don't think they would have missed a chance to report on that.

Thanks I did read it and thought it was weird there was nothing more on it other than he was arrested

 

[essareem]

He does not come up on Aust lii ...as Filby or Freeman

I could find no outcome in the Magistrates court for that year, on Desmond Filby or Freeman ,in these kind of charges it is not unusual for the plantiff to renege on the case, out of fear,or embarrassment, or community /.family pressure.. these kind of cases are very difficult to see thru to the end...because there is usually no resolvement worth a plugged nickel..

In Victoria, sexual related offenses, even less serious ones like indecent exposure (such as urinating in public) or offensive behavior, are prosecuted by the state, not the complainant. The complainant doesn’t own the case.

Once a charge is laid, the police and Office of Public Prosecutions have discretion to continue, even if the complainant withdraws their statement / refuses to cooperate... Because sexual offenses are considered crimes against the state and public safety, not just the individual. In such a case where the complainant withdrew, probably the main reason that the police would decide to no longer proceed is if there was no evidence other than that witness / victim's testimony.

Or for the least serious offences police might not proceed unless there are other forms of evidence / a pattern of behaviour.

But it doesn't even say he was charged, just that he was arrested at that time at the protest. I can't find anything about it in the records. So, who knows, to be honest it's just speculation

 

[Absoluterubbish]

When the complainant is a child , the situation presented is somewhat different, no court,no judge is going to make a child testify. If the child really cannot do it and plenty cannot, it's a rare child that can the case is not exactly dropped, but put aside for adjudication at some later stage of the childs life.

The summons those unfortunate police men were serving on Filby that day, may well have been the same case, with the child now older..It is not improbable.. my own opinion is, it is a different plaintiff and I base this on the premise that child molesters don't start out at 51. He's been doing this a long time . thanks for your perspective though, even though it is erroneous in this instance.

They were serving a search warrant from everything I’ve read, not a summons?

 

[Trooper]

They were serving a search warrant from everything I’ve read, not a summons?

must we go back thru pages of posts to ascertain this?? there are three distinct things going on here .;..

a warrant...... this requires the person named in the warrant to present themselves immediately to police personnel, with their various papers etc.

a search warrant. ... this requires the property owner to allow police to search FOR A SPECIFICALLY NAMED matters, artifacts belongings, all named in the search warrant.

a summons........ this requires the person named in the summons to give up all matters requested by police and present themselves at the named station at a certain time, for (lengthy) questioning. Also, is issued to people who are required to testify in court either for the defence or the prosecution .

Which one do you think the news reporters got right>???

 

[Absoluterubbish]

must we go back thru pages of posts to ascertain this?? there are three distinct things going on here .;..

a warrant...... this requires the person named in the warrant to present themselves immediately to police personnel, with their various papers etc.

a search warrant. ... this requires the property owner to allow police to search FOR A SPECIFICALLY NAMED matters, artifacts belongings, all named in the search warrant.

a summons........ this requires the person named in the summons to give up all matters requested by police and present themselves at the named station at a certain time, for (lengthy) questioning.

Which one do you think the news reporters got right>???

As I said before I am well versed in the law. I have read multiple times in news articles that they were serving a search warrant not a summons.

And yes I do think it’s important to get right what they were there to serve. It’s the very first piece of information available in this case.

 

[Trooper]

As I said before I am well versed in the law. I have read multiple times in news articles that they were serving a search warrant not a summons.

And yes I do think it’s important to get right what they were there to serve. It’s the very first piece of information available in this case.

They could have been serving both. A search warrant and a summons ..we don't known what stage the investigation into Dez's problem was at. The police might have thought, better off summonsing Dez down to the station for a chat, rather than suggesting it. Highly likely. Just as likely to be both, to search thru his telecommunications before he runs over his phone with his car, or drops it down a well. Some reports say summons, some say warrant, and some say search warrant. I am going for all three, it would not be unusual,

I am glad that you are well versed in the law, it always comes in handy.

 

[Sillybilly]

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Opening post of this discussion specifically states LE were serving a search warrant. Unless MSM to the contrary is linked, that is the fact as we know it.

Also, there is nothing to indicate Freeman was convicted of SA, so please don't formulate your post/comments in that light unless/until someone provides an approved source to show he was in fact convicted.

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[Absoluterubbish]

From what i read the first shot dez shot through the door, sems he had a heads up they were cominv for him.

He shot through the door after the officers knocked. He could see with his eyes the police were there.

 

[Marg944]

The Freepeople’s eldest child is 19. I wonder why we haven’t heard about him? The Police arrested and released the 15 year old son, but we haven’t heard anything about the 19 year old.

I took this screen shot last Thursday 28th August, but the article seems to have been removed now.

 

[Absoluterubbish]

The Freepeople’s eldest child is 19. I wonder why we haven’t heard about him? The Police arrested and released the 15 year old son, but we haven’t heard anything about the 19 year old.

I took this screen shot last Thursday 28th August, but the article seems to have been removed now.


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One can only hope he distanced himself from the family long before this

 

[Trooper]

dbm

 

[drsleuth]

I highly doubt they rang him to let him know they were coming. That gives him every chance to flee. I’m pretty sure they don’t give criminals a heads up that they are on their way to get them.

I re-call Commissioner Bush confirmed this in an earlier presser but have not yet found it, I'll keep looking

Also just noticed on re listening to this , when asked by a reporter who else was there he said " Definitely the suspect , the partner , children & I'm not aware of other people "

 

[Marg944]

Police descend on accused gunman Dezi Freeman's property as manhunt enters day eight​

“Police have returned to the scene of the alleged crime in Porepunkah today as the regional Victorian town marks a week since the deadly shooting.

Fugitive Dezi Freeman's semi-rural property is once again being swarmed by officers, with bearcats and special operations crews seen visiting the home this morning, along with a helicopter spotted circling above.”

Cops swarm quiet street in manhunt for accused cop killer

www.9news.com.au

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I re-call Commissioner Bush confirmed this in an earlier presser but have not yet found it, I'll keep looking

Also just noticed on re listening to this , when asked by a reporter who else was there he said " Definitely the suspect , the partner , children & I'm not aware of other people "

Do you mean you read they called and gave him a heads up?

 

[Absoluterubbish]

I re-call Commissioner Bush confirmed this in an earlier presser but have not yet found it, I'll keep looking

Also just noticed on re listening to this , when asked by a reporter who else was there he said " Definitely the suspect , the partner , children & I'm not aware of other people "

So his children witnessed him execute two people. Far out. Imagine the trauma.

 

[Trooper]

I found it difficult to work out just how many cars they had lost, and if they had a car at all. From what I did gather he has lost his licence many times, and she lost her licence AND a car AND a van due to fines of some sort, so leaving the property might have been dependent on neighborly lifts,...,..