Possible Kyron Sightings

[Billylee]

Thank you. Darn I gotta go now. Hasta manana.

 

[cypress]

rnmif -- Do you recall what type of vehicle the persons you've described were driving?

Also, don't be too hard on yourself. You're doing all you can do. Ultimately, the responsibility for whatever may have happened to Kyron is the fault of the person or persons who abducted him from his school that fateful day.

 

[Sherbie]

rnmif, welcome to WS! You mentioned that the woman you saw looked like a taller, thinner version of TH or a shorter, thinner version of DY. To me, the two of them look nothing alike whatsoever, so I'm a little confused. Would you say she looked more like one than the other?

You did the right thing in calling in the tip and speaking with investigators to tell everything you could remember. I'm not very hopeful that it was Kyron, though. I would imagine the morning after he was discovered missing, his dad would have been with LE or his whereabouts were known to them.

Also, KH and DY mentioned the strawberry birthmark and that Kyron was allergic to bees. I don't think they mentioned he had asthma or otherwise needed an inhaler. Maybe you could ask a reporter to submit that question next time the parents are to be interviewed? Getting the answer to that question might be the easiest way to determine whether you saw Kyron (at least if he doesn't use an inhaler, anyway).

 

[liz b.]

That's a good chunk South of Estacada, but if I DID see Kyron the day after he went missing it sure widens the search area, right? We no longer have the tight timeline. My fear is if I DID see him.... I saw him with Kaine, and Kaine seems to be acting more grief-stricken. I don't really want to think what that means... My hope would be if it's Kaine he was trying to leave Terri and did have Kyron stashed and things went further than he'd hoped and he didn't bring him home because of police involvement. But if something went wrong?

I was called back 3 times about my tip. Which may be an accident, MCSO is busy, and they've been working their posteriors off.... But.... 3 times seems to me not an accident, given that they seem to be ruling some tips out immediately? But they didn't seem terribly impressed with my tip. Or maybe I'm reading too much into it because I feel guilty.

I'd give up just about anything to have this poor kid come home. If it was him I saw.... he was unspeakably, unbearably sweet.

This is very interesting. I don't know KH's whereabouts on the morning of June 5th,but LE would know,I believe.... I'm fairly sure that LE would have kept tabs on both TH and KH at that time ? Also, would they allow Kyron to be seen in public ? But, IMO your sighting is very intriguing. I do know that KH has a brother, but I don't know how much they look alike....

All JMO

 

[Calliope]

There was a recent video posted here where people commented on Kyron's voice. Realizing of course that isn't the same as hearing someone speak in person, does the voice of the little boy you saw resemble what we've heard of Kyron's?

 

[LotsaLatte]

rnmif - Welcome and thank you for posting!
I hope that Kaine and immediate family/step people were all accountable the 5th of June - I mean with others and LE. But who knows?
And I believe Kaine is adopted and may or may not resemble any relatives from the Horman family. Can someone refresh my memory regarding whether or not Kaine is adopted?
TY in advance!

 

[Calliope]

This is very interesting. I don't know KH's whereabouts on the morning of June 5th,but LE would know,I believe.... I'm fairly sure that LE would have kept tabs on both TH and KH at that time ? Also, would they allow Kyron to be seen in public ? But, IMO your sighting is very intriguing. I do know that KH has a brother, but I don't know how much they look alike....

All JMO

Well, just to throw this out into the mix...

Kaine was adopted. Which means there could be blood-relatives he's not aware of.

Also, cousins can bear a remarkable resemblance to each other. I have one in particular who could be my twin (or pretty darn close).

And then there was Kaine's comment about relatives from Norway.

 

[liz b.]

Well, just to throw this out into the mix...

Kaine was adopted. Which means there could be blood-relatives he's not aware of.

Also, cousins can bear a remarkable resemblance to each other. I have one in particular who could be my twin (or pretty darn close).

And then there was Kaine's comment about relatives from Norway.

If KH and his brother do look a lot alike, I would actually be very concerned about a possible sighting of him with Kyron....

All JMO

 

[cypress]

If KH and his brother do look a lot alike, I would actually be very concerned about a possible sighting of him with Kyron....

All JMO

There are similarities but his brother is much heavier, or at least he was in the pictures I saw. Just google Kristian Horman. There is one picture in particular, with him, his wife, and infant son, where he is smiling, and the smile is similar to Kaine's. He would bear more of a resemblance if he was thinner, IMHO. I would not, however, classify Kristian as a dead ringer for Kaine.

 

[gwenabob]

Well, just to throw this out into the mix...

Kaine was adopted. Which means there could be blood-relatives he's not aware of.

Also, cousins can bear a remarkable resemblance to each other. I have one in particular who could be my twin (or pretty darn close).

And then there was Kaine's comment about relatives from Norway.

Kaine was adopted by his stepfather. His mother is his bio mom.

 

[wondering1]

Well, just to throw this out into the mix...

Kaine was adopted. Which means there could be blood-relatives he's not aware of.

Also, cousins can bear a remarkable resemblance to each other. I have one in particular who could be my twin (or pretty darn close).

And then there was Kaine's comment about relatives from Norway.

I have always had the impression that his "adoption" was by his bio mother's new husband. Not a true adoption, like TH's. Which are two completely different things, imo. jmoo

 

[Calliope]

If KH and his brother do look a lot alike, I would actually be very concerned about a possible sighting of him with Kyron....

All JMO

I'm not clear on whether he is Kaine's bio-brother, although I seem to recall that they were adopted together (I believe that came out in the thread about his brother's conviction). In any case, when was his brother sent to jail? I don't think that was until some time after Kyron's disappearance (this forum had already been created, IIRC). Police did indicate they'd investigated if there was a connection between his brother and Kyron, but I don't know if that meant simply any chance of abuse or if they also checked his whereabouts around the time Kyron went missing (I'd hope so).

 

[Calliope]

Kaine was adopted by his stepfather. His mother is his bio mom.

Thanks. I'd not seen that.

 

[wondering1]

I'm not clear on whether he is Kaine's bio-brother, although I seem to recall that they were adopted together (I believe that came out in the thread about his brother's conviction). In any case, when was his brother sent to jail? I don't think that was until some time after Kyron's disappearance (this forum had already been created, IIRC). Police did indicate they'd investigated if there was a connection between his brother and Kyron, but I don't know if that meant simply any chance of abuse or if they also checked his whereabouts around the time Kyron went missing (I'd hope so).

why are you thinking that they were truly adopted...as in by both non-bio parents? I don't think that's the case at all.

 

[Calliope]

why are you thinking that they were truly adopted...as in by both non-bio parents? I don't think that's the case at all.

Because I've seen reports of adoption and his father referred to as his adoptive father (and also his brother's statement that he was allegedly abused). I hadn't seen gwen's post when I posted mine.

 

[wondering1]

Because I've seen reports of adoption and his father referred to as his adoptive father (and also his brother's statement that he was allegedly abused). I hadn't seen gwen's post when I posted mine.

I agree with Gwen. Kristi is his bio mom and her current husband is his adoptive dad because of the remarriage.

 

[rnmif]

I hope you folks will bear with me, I'm trying to walk a fine line here. And I'm the first to say... well, my husband jokes and calls me Captain Oblivious. Sometimes I miss the obvious, or it takes a while to sink in. And as I've said, I'm cautious about how much detail I give right now, plus some questions may be answered in other threads, and I don't want to clutter things up either....

Sherbie, I was very confused about who I saw. At first, I was all "ah-HA! It's Terri! She has curly red hair!. But she was very thin. And taller than Terri. And her hair was more strawberry blond. Then I thought maybe it was Desiree, and she and Kaine were back together covertly, but her hair was very distinctly strawberry blond.

I guess what I mean is no, they don't look anything alike, but look at the pictures when TH was body building. There are some facial similarities, strong angular facial features, distinctive looks. I often say my gut twists, and my gut kept twisting until I realized that this woman might fit into Kaine's "type". If you put DY on one end of his "type", and TH on the other, this woman I saw fell somewhere in between the two. She looked enough like each of them that it made sense to me this woman was Kaine's "type". Beautiful, strong jaw, angular distinctive face. Desiree in particular has kind of this exotic, supermodel type beauty. She's not just some girl next door. This woman I saw had a strong jaw like her, but her hair was lighter and more red. But she was way too thin and tall to be TH. That said, I only saw a profile. Hardly the best view. The man I saw better, he was further from me, and turned to look at the little boy, so I got a good full facial glimpse.

I did not call initially for the very reason you mention, how could it be Kyron I saw? When I finally called was when I came across a TV reporter (I think it was KOIN?) trying to interview Kaine and TH as they were leaving the gym (the incident that caused such a furror, why was Terri saying she needed to go to the gym, and it turned out Kaine was actually with her, and said LEO told them to live their lives as normally as possible? That was when I realized maybe LEO were so busy doing SAR at that point, and weren't in fact with them. I'm not sure what LEO was thinking at that point, but if they weren't yet suspicious of TH, maybe they were handling it as if Kyron had wandered off? At which point they would need manpower searching, not keeping a watch on the family? I don't know. To me, this is one of the huge holes in my sighting. I'm as confused as anyone... None of this makes sense, but my gut is screaming at me that I saw Kyron, and no matter how much I try to convince myself otherwise, my gut will not let go.

The most danger I've ever been in has been because I did not trust my gut. So... I'm trying to believe sometimes the subconscious mind knows something the conscious mind can't prove. But I'm the first to admit, I could be wrong.

I'm not sure I'm ready to submit questions... I'm thinking LE knows if he has an inhaler, and if they have not released that information, there is a reason.... But I'm continuing to ruminate on this whole situation, and would gratefully accept any advice. There is a lot at stake, I don't want to rush into a mistake.

Liz B, my husband said the same thing, why bring him in public? The only thing I can say is it was a rather obscure event and people had their attention deeply focused on the event, and wouldn't have noticed. The appearance and departure of the people I saw was highly suspicious based on the event I attended, but still... could mean nothing. And the adults were wearing hats, and almost acting as if they did not want to be connected with the boy. He followed after them, and they kept kind of moving away from him when people were watching, but subtly. It wasn't on my radar at the time, I just thought they were disinterested parents that couldn't be bothered.

The only theory I have as to why is if whomever it was had to get Kyron out of the way because they didn't want him seen. The event was the perfect place to hide in plain sight.

Calliope, I'm not sure I'd remember his voice specifically at this point. I tried looking for video early on before I called MCSO, but I only found the video of him singing, and something else, but I didn't hear his voice at all really on any video. More distinctive was his mannerisms. I did not hear (or don't remember hearing) the adults speak at all, but this little boy was... shy, reserved, but excited enough by the video game that he wanted to tell the adults about it. He came right up to my son's chair, kind of invading his space a bit, which is part of the problem. I was being protective Mama, didn't realize I might be looking at a missing kid, so I was paying attention more to my son. I actually teach childbirth hypnosis, I would give my arms and legs to find a hypnotherapist that I could research and talk to, that I respected their knowledge, because I'm very hypnotizable, and if I could trust them and have someone I trusted watching, and being my safety net, I'd love to have someone hypnotize me and take me back there, and see what I remember. I had an experience where I was writing scripts to help me during a health crisis, and wound up putting word for word phrases that were in the childbirth classes I'd used 18 months before (and had NO conscious memory of).

I know the memories are in there. I wish I had more.... vibrant access to them. Charlatans are a dime a dozen, good hypnotherapists are hard to find... It would take a lot of research and trust....

BTW, where is the video of Kyron speaking? I looked and looked on google.... never found it, and I get a bit overwhelmed by the amount of information on this board.

I think I hit the highlights... Sorry for the ambiguity. Like I said, I can't quite make peace with this on either end. My instincts are bugging me, and... I tend to be interested in things like microexpressions. I'm usually very good at reading people, but so far not so many people are seeing what I am, and I'm not sure if that's because I'm wrong, or because there is a media circus that is leading public opinion on this. All I know is, some of the things I'm noticing about key players also make my gut twist. So far I have not figured out where here people are talking about things like that, and since it's nothing more than my gut reactions.... I'm not sure how relevant it is. I'm just as fallible as anyone else on that count, and I trust the brain power of the MCSO more than I trust my gut. They all have guts too, more experienced and better trained than mine.

Ugh. Rambling. Sorry. My mind has been spinning for two months. It's kind of a relief to try and sort this out, but still hard to do it in a safe and respectful way.

 

[Calliope]

I hope you folks will bear with me, I'm trying to walk a fine line here. And I'm the first to say... well, my husband jokes and calls me Captain Oblivious. Sometimes I miss the obvious, or it takes a while to sink in. And as I've said, I'm cautious about how much detail I give right now, plus some questions may be answered in other threads, and I don't want to clutter things up either....

Sherbie, I was very confused about who I saw. At first, I was all "ah-HA! It's Terri! She has curly red hair!. But she was very thin. And taller than Terri. And her hair was more strawberry blond. Then I thought maybe it was Desiree, and she and Kaine were back together covertly, but her hair was very distinctly strawberry blond.

I guess what I mean is no, they don't look anything alike, but look at the pictures when TH was body building. There are some facial similarities, strong angular facial features, distinctive looks. I often say my gut twists, and my gut kept twisting until I realized that this woman might fit into Kaine's "type". If you put DY on one end of his "type", and TH on the other, this woman I saw fell somewhere in between the two. She looked enough like each of them that it made sense to me this woman was Kaine's "type". Beautiful, strong jaw, angular distinctive face. Desiree in particular has kind of this exotic, supermodel type beauty. She's not just some girl next door. This woman I saw had a strong jaw like her, but her hair was lighter and more red. But she was way too thin and tall to be TH. That said, I only saw a profile. Hardly the best view. The man I saw better, he was further from me, and turned to look at the little boy, so I got a good full facial glimpse.

I did not call initially for the very reason you mention, how could it be Kyron I saw? When I finally called was when I came across a TV reporter (I think it was KOIN?) trying to interview Kaine and TH as they were leaving the gym (the incident that caused such a furror, why was Terri saying she needed to go to the gym, and it turned out Kaine was actually with her, and said LEO told them to live their lives as normally as possible? That was when I realized maybe LEO were so busy doing SAR at that point, and weren't in fact with them. I'm not sure what LEO was thinking at that point, but if they weren't yet suspicious of TH, maybe they were handling it as if Kyron had wandered off? At which point they would need manpower searching, not keeping a watch on the family? I don't know. To me, this is one of the huge holes in my sighting. I'm as confused as anyone... None of this makes sense, but my gut is screaming at me that I saw Kyron, and no matter how much I try to convince myself otherwise, my gut will not let go.

The most danger I've ever been in has been because I did not trust my gut. So... I'm trying to believe sometimes the subconscious mind knows something the conscious mind can't prove. But I'm the first to admit, I could be wrong.

I'm not sure I'm ready to submit questions... I'm thinking LE knows if he has an inhaler, and if they have not released that information, there is a reason.... But I'm continuing to ruminate on this whole situation, and would gratefully accept any advice. There is a lot at stake, I don't want to rush into a mistake.

Liz B, my husband said the same thing, why bring him in public? The only thing I can say is it was a rather obscure event and people had their attention deeply focused on the event, and wouldn't have noticed. The appearance and departure of the people I saw was highly suspicious based on the event I attended, but still... could mean nothing. And the adults were wearing hats, and almost acting as if they did not want to be connected with the boy. He followed after them, and they kept kind of moving away from him when people were watching, but subtly. It wasn't on my radar at the time, I just thought they were disinterested parents that couldn't be bothered.

The only theory I have as to why is if whomever it was had to get Kyron out of the way because they didn't want him seen. The event was the perfect place to hide in plain sight.

Calliope, I'm not sure I'd remember his voice specifically at this point. I tried looking for video early on before I called MCSO, but I only found the video of him singing, and something else, but I didn't hear his voice at all really on any video. More distinctive was his mannerisms. I did not hear (or don't remember hearing) the adults speak at all, but this little boy was... shy, reserved, but excited enough by the video game that he wanted to tell the adults about it. He came right up to my son's chair, kind of invading his space a bit, which is part of the problem. I was being protective Mama, didn't realize I might be looking at a missing kid, so I was paying attention more to my son. I actually teach childbirth hypnosis, I would give my arms and legs to find a hypnotherapist that I could research and talk to, that I respected their knowledge, because I'm very hypnotizable, and if I could trust them and have someone I trusted watching, and being my safety net, I'd love to have someone hypnotize me and take me back there, and see what I remember. I had an experience where I was writing scripts to help me during a health crisis, and wound up putting word for word phrases that were in the childbirth classes I'd used 18 months before (and had NO conscious memory of).

I know the memories are in there. I wish I had more.... vibrant access to them. Charlatans are a dime a dozen, good hypnotherapists are hard to find... It would take a lot of research and trust....

BTW, where is the video of Kyron speaking? I looked and looked on google.... never found it, and I get a bit overwhelmed by the amount of information on this board.

I think I hit the highlights... Sorry for the ambiguity. Like I said, I can't quite make peace with this on either end. My instincts are bugging me, and... I tend to be interested in things like microexpressions. I'm usually very good at reading people, but so far not so many people are seeing what I am, and I'm not sure if that's because I'm wrong, or because there is a media circus that is leading public opinion on this. All I know is, some of the things I'm noticing about key players also make my gut twist. So far I have not figured out where here people are talking about things like that, and since it's nothing more than my gut reactions.... I'm not sure how relevant it is. I'm just as fallible as anyone else on that count, and I trust the brain power of the MCSO more than I trust my gut. They all have guts too, more experienced and better trained than mine.

Ugh. Rambling. Sorry. My mind has been spinning for two months. It's kind of a relief to try and sort this out, but still hard to do it in a safe and respectful way.

Wow. Thanks so much.

Particularly interesting are the points I bolded.

Don't feel you have to explain too much here. This is a public forum and please keep details you feel might compromise your tip and LE's investigation of it.

 

[Jade2010]

The man was a dead-ringer for Kaine, except that he had at least 1-3 days stubble. Although looking at Kaine, I'd say he was maybe 20 lbs thinner but of the same tall lanky build. Then again, the person I saw was wearing a jean jacket. And a ball cap, again, low over his eyes. Both of which may have been enough to fool me about his weight a bit.

Can you clarify? The man you saw looked like he was 20 pounds thinner than Kaine OR Kaine looks 20 pounds thinner than the man? Meaning he is heavier than Kaine? Now I'm confusing myself!

Also rnmif, when you received these phone calls from the authorities - did they show up the same on caller i.d.? Thanks.

Does anyone have the photo to link to show Kaine's brother and his wife? Thanks!

 

[froginTtown]

rnmif - Welcome and thank you for posting!
I hope that Kaine and immediate family/step people were all accountable the 5th of June - I mean with others and LE. But who knows?
And I believe Kaine is adopted and may or may not resemble any relatives from the Horman family. Can someone refresh my memory regarding whether or not Kaine is adopted?
TY in advance!

Both Kaine and Terri were adopted...