Possible Kyron Sightings

[rnmif]

Well, if you've reported it, I guess LE will figure it out. I'm assuming you gave more details about the event, etc. to them. My feeling is, if you're gonna put it out there (here) put it ALL out there, or not at all. But, whatever. It's not that big a deal. Sorry you're losing sleep over it. I hope you are right, and it was him, and LE can find him based on your info.

Trust me, I had that exact conversation today a few times. I'm really not sure what to do. Part of the problem is I had already shared some. I hate people who drop bombshells and run. I didn't want to leave folks just hanging, but.... I want to be careful. I want Kyron to come home, and I'm feeling bad enough. I figure either what I called in is useless, or it's not, and MCSO didn't share it for a reason. So... I'm trying not to make a mess of their work. And starting to worry that I've said too much already.

I've been going crazy looking for answers, and I tend to operate on the principle of two heads (or more) being better than one. I thought maybe if I posted here, maybe we could put some two and two together, but I did it in my usual bull in a china shop fumbling way. In the process of.... fixing that mess, I got a bit wary that I might possibly compromise an existing investigation inadvertently. I couldn't undo what was there, and it had already been seen, and I didn't want to leave folks hanging. Best answer I could come up with was, proceed with caution.

One of the reasons I called America's Most Wanted when I got voicemail for MCSO is I wanted someone, right then, to blow holes in my story, ask hard questions, make me think, and get everything out of me they could before I started to forget. I have to tip my hat to them, the woman who talked to me on their tip line did a great job, and I owe her for whatever useful details did get recorded, because by the time I heard from MCSO, I was already struggling to remember some smaller details. I had made notes, a rough outline, but of course LE had questions I hadn't anticipated, and had to sit and think over. I had way too many "I don't knows".

I'll say again, the stony silence could mean I'm wrong. Don't read too much into this, I'm just one person trying to do the right thing. Anything else is between God, Kyron, the perp, and MCSO. I could be just as wrong as the thousands of other tips they've ruled out.

I just can't make myself believe that yet. I'm trying, believe me.

 

[rnmif]

Announcement

http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com...11199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart

Fine, there are two Kristi's in that area that have children who happen to be named Kaine and Kristian. The first Kristi just happens to be their bio Mom, and the second Kristi adopted them. I don't know what else to say. If you want to believe that Kristi Horman is not their bio mom, so be it.

Not sure where the info about two Kristi's is, but in a step-parent adoption it could be recorded on the birth index (or whatever similar tool WA uses, I'm more familiar with CA searches, and only vaguely that) as her being birth mom and adoptive mom.

Or maybe you're saying she's both. See? I don't do subtle. Too confusing for me.

But I'd find it hard to believe she isn't their biomom.

 

[Calliope]

The police have been adamant from the very beginning in urging anyone who had any sort of tip --- no matter how small or seemingly insignificant --- to call them, as it could well be the piece to the puzzle that solves this case. Don't be so hard on yourself. You did the right thing, and it's up to them to follow up on it.

I do understand why you feel you have to be careful, too.

 

[SmoothOperator]

The day after he went missing? Looked alot like Kaine? Someone who resembled Kaine? Has anyone thought of Kaine's brother???????!!!!!!!!!!!!.... This was June 5th so he still had not been arrested yet... Plausible??? Or I am just wishful thinking???

 

[wondering1]

Trust me, I had that exact conversation today a few times. I'm really not sure what to do. Part of the problem is I had already shared some. I hate people who drop bombshells and run. I didn't want to leave folks just hanging, but.... I want to be careful. I want Kyron to come home, and I'm feeling bad enough. I figure either what I called in is useless, or it's not, and MCSO didn't share it for a reason. So... I'm trying not to make a mess of their work. And starting to worry that I've said too much already.

I've been going crazy looking for answers, and I tend to operate on the principle of two heads (or more) being better than one. I thought maybe if I posted here, maybe we could put some two and two together, but I did it in my usual bull in a china shop fumbling way. In the process of.... fixing that mess, I got a bit wary that I might possibly compromise an existing investigation inadvertently. I couldn't undo what was there, and it had already been seen, and I didn't want to leave folks hanging. Best answer I could come up with was, proceed with caution.

One of the reasons I called America's Most Wanted when I got voicemail for MCSO is I wanted someone, right then, to blow holes in my story, ask hard questions, make me think, and get everything out of me they could before I started to forget. I have to tip my hat to them, the woman who talked to me on their tip line did a great job, and I owe her for whatever useful details did get recorded, because by the time I heard from MCSO, I was already struggling to remember some smaller details. I had made notes, a rough outline, but of course LE had questions I hadn't anticipated, and had to sit and think over. I had way too many "I don't knows".

I'll say again, the stony silence could mean I'm wrong. Don't read too much into this, I'm just one person trying to do the right thing. Anything else is between God, Kyron, the perp, and MCSO. I could be just as wrong as the thousands of other tips they've ruled out.

I just can't make myself believe that yet. I'm trying, believe me.

Making notes was a good idea. Do you do yoga or similar? Maybe you can get yourself mentally and emotionally back to that day with those techniques and really walk yourself through it in detail, and write it all down. Sometimes just committing to re-experiencing an event in a neutral and calm way can bring insight that you didn't know you had. If it's something significant, call back your contact and update them. Talking to someone who was there with you can also bring back detail and nuance that maybe you haven't thought was relevant. jmoo

 

[SmoothOperator]

Sorry got really emotional with chills and posted last post without reading thru:blushing:
I see my observation of it possibly being Kristian was long ago thought of..:blushing:
Sorry just disregard my above postt..
I'll go back to reading thru all the posts now...:blushing:

 

[wondering1]

The day after he went missing? Looked alot like Kaine? Someone who resembled Kaine? Has anyone thought of Kaine's brother???????!!!!!!!!!!!!.... This was June 5th so he still had not been arrested yet... Plausible??? Or I am just wishful thinking???

There's a photo of Kaine's brother in one of the links in my posts to Cali above.

 

[wondering1]

Not sure where the info about two Kristi's is, but in a step-parent adoption it could be recorded on the birth index (or whatever similar tool WA uses, I'm more familiar with CA searches, and only vaguely that) as her being birth mom and adoptive mom.

Or maybe you're saying she's both. See? I don't do subtle. Too confusing for me.

But I'd find it hard to believe she isn't their biomom.

Personally, I am 1000% sure there is one Kristi and she is the bio mom. I was trying to convince Calliope, and she's not havin' it

 

[Calliope]

Personally, I am 1000% sure there is one Kristi and she is the bio mom. I was trying to convince Calliope, and she's not havin' it

lol

No, I'm not saying I don't believe you. Not at all. Just pointed out that adoptive parents would be referred to as 'parents' in an announcement or whatever. I trust you and gwen that you saw something that said his father adopted him when he married their mother. I was just curious about the source, as I couldn't remember reading that. That's all.

 

[rnmif]

Personally, I am 1000% sure there is one Kristi and she is the bio mom. I was trying to convince Calliope, and she's not havin' it

The only caveat I'd offer is sometimes the way births get recorded in adoption situations is hinky. It's rather more slap-dash than one might hope.

I have a family member who is listed with bio-mom and adoptive father on the CA birth index. Personally, I've always thought it was an affair (and a subsequent stepparent adoption), not an "adoption", but I have no proof. Regardless, finding bio-mom and adoptive dad on the same listings on the birth index is highly unusual, affair or not.

Sometimes the wrong party gets connected on the wrong end of the adoption on the birth index, but it's pretty rare, and I've never heard of this happening in WA, just CA.

I have seen adoptive parents names listed on both the birth and adoption side of the birth index before. But rarely a mixture. Only one like that, and like I said, I believe there's a reason for it.

 

[Calliope]

Making notes was a good idea. Do you do yoga or similar? Maybe you can get yourself mentally and emotionally back to that day with those techniques and really walk yourself through it in detail, and write it all down. Sometimes just committing to re-experiencing an event in a neutral and calm way can bring insight that you didn't know you had. If it's something significant, call back your contact and update them. Talking to someone who was there with you can also bring back detail and nuance that maybe you haven't thought was relevant. jmoo

Might be helpful to go back to the spot where she saw this as it might trigger a memory. Kinda like how I have to retrace my steps when I find myself in a room and can't remember what it was I was going after lol.

 

[carole]

BTW, where is the video of Kyron speaking? I looked and looked on google.... never found it, and I get a bit overwhelmed by the amount of information on this board.

BBM

I found a new report that shows Kyron talking, giving a report in front of his class.

http://www.kptv.com/video/24029863/index.html

 

[Calliope]

BBM

I found a new report that shows Kyron talking, giving a report in front of his class.

http://www.kptv.com/video/24029863/index.html

Rats. I was hoping there was one with better audio quality and of him in *normal* circumstances, not possibly nervous talking in front of his class.

 

[rnmif]

Might be helpful to go back to the spot where she saw this as it might trigger a memory. Kinda like how I have to retrace my steps when I find myself in a room and can't remember what it was I was going after lol.

It's private property unfortunately, was just hosting a public event on this particular weekend.

Although I met the owner, he helped jump start my car after my teen killed the battery, and I think they would have no problem with letting me go back. I just... figured if MCSO needed that, they'd call me back. I'll sit with this though. Or explore a hypnotherapist.

Aside from that, I'd give my right arm to have something with Kyron's scent and some SAR dogs, because it was inside a building, and the scent might still be strong. Or even Kaine's, for that matter, since if the dogs picked up his scent, why else was he there unless I did see him and Kyron?

As I tell my kids, I'm out of luck, nobody has handed me the keys to the universe yet.

 

[rnmif]

BBM

I found a new report that shows Kyron talking, giving a report in front of his class.

http://www.kptv.com/video/24029863/index.html

Okay, something else I'd give my right arm for, video of him talking when he's more animated. Hearing his voice when he's excited might give me more to go on.

I can't say yes or no. Sounds like a shy, quiet 7 year old boy, which fits. The facial expression he makes holding the bridge pictures up, that puts my 90% up to a 98%.... looks so much like the face I saw....

 

[greenpalm]

The thing I find most striking about your story, is that they called you back 3 times. To me, that tells me that, they were not able to dismiss the story immediately. I find this especially compelling since we've heard a number of other tipsters in the media "whining" that they've left tips and never heard back regarding them, and have no way of knowing if their tips were checked or not. If they were able to disregard your story immediately they wouldn't have called you back. Just my opinion.

 

[Tuffy]

It's hard to judge someone's weight in photos and videos. That ol' thing about the camera putting on pounds? I saw photos of Kaine where his legs looked quite thin; he may not be as heavy as you think.

Good point, Calliope. I was going to point out that a lot of the video I've seen from this case also looks like the picture is stretched (especially the ones on the web.) Everyone looks very wide. Yet, if you look at other video Kaine looks quite thin. I don't think his weight is fluctuating, just bad video.

 

[matou]

About the inhaler: did you or your son see the little boy using the inhaler or was it on a table or near the boy or in his hand? Do you think it's possible that the inhaler could have belonged to either the man or woman with the boy?

 

[rnmif]

The thing I find most striking about your story, is that they called you back 3 times. To me, that tells me that, they were not able to dismiss the story immediately. I find this especially compelling since we've heard a number of other tipsters in the media "whining" that they've left tips and never heard back regarding them, and have no way of knowing if their tips were checked or not. If they were able to disregard your story immediately they wouldn't have called you back. Just my opinion.

At the time I thought it was due to that first round of "they won't call us back!" that folks were doing in the media. But that would seem to account for one call back, maybe two, if there were a clerical error. But not three, particularly when they have access to the statement I left with AMW (which was the more detailed conversation).

And yet, I'm watching the GJ stuff, and it all looks pretty damning. At least if it was Kaine I saw. They've called him to the GJ but not Terri? I guess it could be possible that since all the "known" evidence and speculation is swirling around Terri they didn't see the point in calling her? Didn't want to give her the heads up (though I think she knows she's a suspect, at least in some minds). And there are other things too.... Responses from the parents involved, differences between parental involvement in the case, LEO statements, things that don't add up to a simple "Terri did it".... That stuff to me is a lot more interesting, although as I've noted, I'm not a savant when it comes to reading people, just seem to be right more than I'm wrong.

Still can't make any of this add up in my head....

 

[rnmif]

About the inhaler: did you or your son see the little boy using the inhaler or was it on a table or near the boy or in his hand? Do you think it's possible that the inhaler could have belonged to either the man or woman with the boy?

My son is the one who saw it, and said he saw him use it. I did not. I've always been surprised that I completely missed that, but once I nudged my son to say hi, I turned my attention to the adults.

I did make it clear to LE that I wasn't sure how accurate that was. My son seemed extremely sure "Mom, remember the little boy we saw used a white inhaler?". It was an awfully specific detail for him to pull out of thin air, but he was playing a game... he could have been combining two memories. I think 3-4 days later I was starting to wonder if the resemblance was more than a coincidence and trying to cement things in my mind, my son didn't have that forwarning that he'd need to keep those memories pure. I talked to my husband first, and it occurred to us to interview our son, because at that point I still couldn't believe I saw what I saw, but his physical description matched mine (even though the tree frog photo he saw he said wasn't the boy we saw, but the boy we saw was not making that big grin, he was more surprised and "ooohhh!!!!". That's exactly the kind of expression my son would have a hard time reading, which is why I think the video clicked for him, not the picture.

Who knows. The facts in this case have made me doubt myself all along, I don't know what to chalk that up as. I just figured if my son was right, it might confirm it was Kyron.