Possible Kyron Sightings

[tabacue]

Thanks for the reply. hmmmm - interesting. I agree with a lot of your comments. There has been speculation (working theories) that TH may have convinced someone that Kyron was being abused and enlisted their help to remove him from the situation (why not just send to mom, right???). If this were actually the case (or a similar scenario), she may think the benefit (to the child) would outweigh any legal responsibilty.

I'm curious what she might have looked like in the weeks/months prior to the media coverage. We've seen how drastic one's appearance can change in a short amount of time...

I don't know if I should hope that it was him you saw or not.

Not a chance. To me she looks... rounder than TH. The woman I saw had longer hair, more Desiree's length, but lighter, and strawberry blond. I would have put her somewhere between 5ft 6 and 5 ft 8, and somewhere between a size 6-10 (probably closer to the 6, but if she were on the taller end, she could be a size 10 and look very thin). She had the trophy wife kind of look (and attitude).

I'll also say this.... my gut instinct about DDS, is she's loyal. I can't for the life of me see her as knowingly and willingly engaging in a criminal act. I think there is history here going back to her feeling a need to protect TH from KH, or even knowing something about KH that TH did not want to face.

I think that is why she immediately came to TH side, and dropped everything to be with her. She's protecting her, but DDS is no criminal. Nor is she a dummy.

 

[rnmif]

Did you report it after you saw him on AMW? Was it that same day that you called in the initial tip?

If so, does anybody remember the date that he was on AMW? That would narrow things down.

No, I didn't actually see the AMW show, but I was desperate for someone to take a statement lest more time be lost, and I remembered they had profiled the case, I vaguely remembered they a tip line, and I suspected they would have a live human 24/7 given the people running that ship. It just seemed like a likely place to speak with a human without wasting police resources but while getting at least an initial statement out.

I googled AMW, found the tip number and called.

 

[liz b.]

BUT, if the people who had him were NOT strangers and he trusted them. Why then would they be concerned about what he would say? Furthermore, I know that I have read about Kyron learning how to listen/take directions better (something along those lines). IF this person only knew Kyron peripherally BUT they knew that-it could have been used for the kidnappers benefit "now you know you have to call us XCX......while we are here-and by following directions like you are suppose to you will get XYZ". IF they knew that he wasn't going to 'rat them out' they would have no reason to hide.

Just throwing an alternate idea out there.

Hmmm... A 7 year old boy might say anything. Like : " I got taken out of my school by...(fill in the blank ) " Those people are not my mom and dad " or " They took me away from my house " ...

Also, there is just the huge need for secrecy... IMO it just does not make any sense at all to attend any kind of public event with Kyron. It would be one thing if the couple with this child had been spotted at a gas ststaion, or in a parking lot. But, to deliberately attend a public event seems counter intuitive IMO

All JMO

 

[Calliope]

I wonder IF this is kyron, could it be someone he's met through either parent. Someone he'd trust, but not necessarily be related to.

 

[Billylee]

You may have said this already, but "the parents" you saw, would you say they looked the same exact age as Kaine. When you used the words "trophy wife", it just made me think of someone younger than TH and DY? Was he or she tan? I ask because KH to me is very pale looking. Not at all sure what event you were at, but would the people there have reason to be tan?

 

[rnmif]

RNMif,
1. Did the Kyron looking boy touch the game? Is the game yours or was it at the location?

2. Have you seen the videos showing the children and their parents who keep getting mistaken as Kyron. Here is one - but I know I saw one with a mother and father - might help to ID if it was not Kyron if either of the parents or their kids go with your memory. http://www.katu.com/news/local/96338424.html?tab=video

3. Did the investigators who called speak to your son?

He didn't touch the game. I just asked my son, he said he placed his hand on the arm of the chair, both on top, and grabbing around the side. I never even thought of that possibility. Does anyone know if those nylon collapsible camp chairs can yield prints? Or how easily they get smudged? Those chairs have been getting heavy use for weeks.

Dang.... I never thought of that. Not sure I would have remembered which one, but we only have 4, and it would have been the left arm...

Anyone know?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

He didn't touch the game. I just asked my son, he said he placed his hand on the arm of the chair, both on top, and grabbing around the side. I never even thought of that possibility. Does anyone know if those nylon collapsible camp chairs can yield prints? Or how easily they get smudged? Those chairs have been getting heavy use for weeks.

Damn.... I never thought of that. Not sure I would have remembered which one, but we only have 4, and it would have been the left arm...

Anyone know?

Touch DNA - I would think it is possible. JMHO where is joypath when we need her?

 

[rnmif]

You may have said this already, but "the parents" you saw, would you say they looked the same exact age as Kaine. When you used the words "trophy wife", it just made me think of someone younger than TH and DY? Was he or she tan? I ask because KH to me is very pale looking. Not at all sure what event you were at, but would the people there have reason to be tan?

I would have put the man between 30-35. I would have put the woman at 24-35. She was wearing makeup.... It can distort age a bit, and I only saw her profile. My sense was she was young, and I don't think she was an experienced parent. She didn't seem to have much ability with kids.

 

[Billylee]

The only way I see this siting as being a possible siting to be considered by LE, is that they thought it might be the someone(s) holding Kyron as is thought by Desiree as Terri "stashed" him. Friends of Terri's or Terri's family. Anyone who "took" him obviously wouldn't just take him out in public, with such a big search going on. And really, I think if he was being "stashed" by Terri, her instructions to those people holding him would have been DO NOT TAKE HIM ANYWHERE. JMO

But I am curious as to what LE is thinking by acting upon such a tip. Anyone care to venture into the minds of LE?

 

[SmoothOperator]

Kyron vanished on the morning of 6/4. If he was abducted, IMO there is a very low possibility that the child at this event was Kyron. Whoever took him would keep him hidden. There is just too much risk involved by taking him to this "obscure " event. The safest thing,from the abdoctor's standpoint, is not to take him to ANY public place.

And also I find it unlikely, if these people were Kyron's abductors, that they would allow him to intereact with other kids,and possibly adults. What might a child who was abducted say,if he got the chance ?

The adults in question were inattentive of the child who looked like Kyron ? I would think they might be afraid he would make a run for safety ?

IMO this was not Kyron.....

But, mmif, you did the right thing by calling AMW and LE. It only takes one call sometimes...

All JMO

This was 24 hrs his "abduction" so I beg to differ with what Kyron "would have been doing" such as telling, asking for help, running away...

Again this was only 24 hrs after Kyron was taken so he would be doing none of those things above mentioned if he were not even aware at that time that he had been "abducted". I'm quite certain that whomever took Kyron did not say "ok, Kyron, you are now being abducted!'..

Much more likely is(and especially if he was "taken" by someone he knew and liked)he would not be fearful, scared, trying to run, get help, etc.. Esp. 24hrs in he would still be under the impression of being on some getaway with friend, fam, or fam friend...

I too think its slim to none chance that it is Kyron. But if it were it is quite likely at the time that this took place that he would have been acting just as this lady's description- happy, curious, friendly. JMO

 

[Calliope]

The only way I see this siting as being a possible siting to be considered by LE, is that they thought it might be the someone(s) holding Kyron as is thought by Desiree as Terri "stashed" him. Friends of Terri's or Terri's family. Anyone who "took" him obviously wouldn't just take him out in public, with such a big search going on. And really, I think if he was being "stashed" by Terri, her instructions to those people holding him would have been DO NOT TAKE HIM ANYWHERE. JMO

But I am curious as to what LE is thinking by acting upon such a tip. Anyone care to venture into the minds of LE?

well, the people involved in this case (directly or peripherally) haven't shown the best of judgement, IMO

 

[liz b.]

This was 24 hrs his "abduction" so I beg to differ with what Kyron "would have been doing" such as telling, asking for help, running away...

Again this was only 24 hrs after Kyron was taken so he would be doing none of those things above mentioned if he were not even aware at that time that he had been "abducted". I'm quite certain that whomever took Kyron did not say "ok, Kyron, you are now being abducted!'..

Much more likely is(and especially if he was "taken" by someone he knew and liked)he would not be fearful, scared, trying to run, get help, etc.. Esp. 24hrs in he would still be under the impression of being on some getaway with friend, fam, or fam friend...

I too think its slim to none chance that it is Kyron. But if it were it is quite likely at the time that this took place that he would have been acting just as this lady's description- happy, curious, friendly. JMO

Hi,
I believe you have misquoted me.At no point in my post did I write about what Kyron "would have been doing ". I wrote that a 7 year old boy MIGHT say anything.... And I stand by that ...
All JMO

 

[A_News_Junkie]

If you can - without giving away what this event was, could it have been made to sound like a cool electric science event?

 

[rnmif]

If you can - without giving away what this event was, could it have been made to sound like a cool electric science event?

Think... agriculture.

Would not have been interesting to a kid in any way (well, some kids). He didn't seem particularly interested in what was going on, but didn't seem to be surprised to be there either.

On another issue, he was definitely not there against his will. That doesn't mean he was where he was supposed to be, just that he was not aware of being someplace he shouldn't with people he shouldn't. They were acting suspiciously, not him. But he freely followed them. He was very comfortable with them.

I've asked my son a few questions today, including did the boy or the adults say anything. He echoed what I remembered him saying, but added the woman told him to "get away from that boy". Which may have been part of why my antennae as a Mom went up... So much of this I just don't remember well now. Really wish I had called sooner. Wish I had videotaped myself recounting things.....

 

[SmoothOperator]

Just putting this out there IF Kyron were "stashed" with SOMEONE(S) IMO Terri has ZERO contact or communication with the SOMEONE(S) that has him.. It just is absolutely NOT possible...IMO

Remember the "Sabrina" abduction, the 8-9month old baby abducted from her bed, in the middle of the night, door left wide open, Florida, and to this day never found, nor anyone ever charged with anything associated...
The reason I bring it up is their home WAS EVEN BUGGED (as LE has always thought they were responsible)..
So, I'd think it quite possible that LE has done quite similarly with Terri.. So, she's surveilled 24/7 IMO and all communications also being surveilled(lol. don't even think thats a word.. oh well u get the point).. I mean even if she was using good ol' "snail mail" that it was somehow being watched, also. for sure it could be subponeaed... I don't know. I don't know what to think or believe at this point, but am almost certain that if Terri were to have had ANY contact or communications with SOMEONE(S) that with what all LE is putting into this investigation , that LE would definitely know of such contact or communications....JMO

As I said am just putting this out there. Am not responding or referring to any one post in general just more so about likelyhood(or UNlikelyhood) of their being contact and communication

 

[SmoothOperator]

Hi,
I believe you have misquoted me.At no point in my post did I write about what Kyron "would have been doing ". I wrote that a 7 year old boy MIGHT say anything.... And I stand by that ...
All JMO

Sorry for the misunderstanding. I wasn't quoting you, tho, I realize with the way I had that group of words in quotations that is exactly how it looked.. sorry:blushing:

I was rather just giving an opposite point of the same subject and just used your post as a jumping off point...
Sorry for the way my goofy use of punctuation made it seem that...

 

[SmoothOperator]

Think... agriculture.

Would not have been interesting to a kid in any way (well, some kids). He didn't seem particularly interested in what was going on, but didn't seem to be surprised to be there either.

On another issue, he was definitely not there against his will. That doesn't mean he was where he was supposed to be, just that he was not aware of being someplace he shouldn't with people he shouldn't. They were acting suspiciously, not him. But he freely followed them. He was very comfortable with them.

I've asked my son a few questions today, including did the boy or the adults say anything. He echoed what I remembered him saying, but added the woman told him to "get away from that boy". Which may have been part of why my antennae as a Mom went up... So much of this I just don't remember well now. Really wish I had called sooner. Wish I had videotaped myself recounting things.....

By any chance did it have to do with the Farmers Market?

 

[rnmif]

By any chance did it have to do with the Farmers Market?

Livestock, not plants.

 

[matou]

Livestock, not plants.

This is going to sound weird, but were they interested in alpacas?

 

[BeanE]

The only way I see this siting as being a possible siting to be considered by LE, is that they thought it might be the someone(s) holding Kyron as is thought by Desiree as Terri "stashed" him. Friends of Terri's or Terri's family. Anyone who "took" him obviously wouldn't just take him out in public, with such a big search going on. And really, I think if he was being "stashed" by Terri, her instructions to those people holding him would have been DO NOT TAKE HIM ANYWHERE. JMO

But I am curious as to what LE is thinking by acting upon such a tip. Anyone care to venture into the minds of LE?

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