Possible Kyron Sightings

[Jade2010]

There are similarities but his brother is much heavier, or at least he was in the pictures I saw. Just google Kristian Horman. There is one picture in particular, with him, his wife, and infant son, where he is smiling, and the smile is similar to Kaine's. He would bear more of a resemblance if he was thinner, IMHO. I would not, however, classify Kristian as a dead ringer for Kaine.

Is he the SO? Why was he sent to jail? I can't find him in the Oregon SO database. Thanks.


Is there a thread on the brother and if Kaine and Terri knew he was a SO. I don't have the search option. THANK YOU>

 

[wondering1]

I'm usually very good at reading people, but so far not so many people are seeing what I am, and I'm not sure if that's because I'm wrong, or because there is a media circus that is leading public opinion on this. All I know is, some of the things I'm noticing about key players also make my gut twist. So far I have not figured out where here people are talking about things like that, and since it's nothing more than my gut reactions.... I'm not sure how relevant it is. I'm just as fallible as anyone else on that count, and I trust the brain power of the MCSO more than I trust my gut. They all have guts too, more experienced and better trained than mine.

What I hear you saying is that the people you saw are definitely not TH, DY or KH; the child they were with upset you by invading your child's space; you have a gut feeling that tells you that someone other than TH is involved in this; and you won't say what your feeling is because its not consistent with the majority opinion and it's based solely on your gut instinct.

Th makes my *gut twist* and I don't have any problems saying it. Not because it's the mainstream opinion, but because it's the truth. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Do I care, absolutely not. I think what I think, and I feel what I feel. I think you should just say what you think and be done with it.

 

[rnmif]

Can you clarify? The man you saw looked like he was 20 pounds thinner than Kaine OR Kaine looks 20 pounds thinner than the man? Meaning he is heavier than Kaine? Now I'm confusing myself!

Also rnmif, when you received these phone calls from the authorities - did they show up the same on caller i.d.? Thanks.

Does anyone have the photo to link to show Kaine's brother and his wife? Thanks!

I'm not sure how to answer this... Kaine is built a lot like my husband. I would have put the man I saw somewhere between 6ft and 6ft 2in, and somewhere between 160-170, give or take a few pounds. I would put Kaine (now, since I didn't really want to "see" him until I had some reason to think I had already seen him) at 180-200. He's got that tall slender build, but a little weight in his face and the belly area. That said, he may have gained a little weight with the stress, and the person I saw was wearing a jacket and a hat, which may have made a person like Kaine appear a bit lighter than they really are. My husband is like that, he can hide 20 lbs rather easily at that weight, it doesn't show up in his body as much as his face and tummym and the jacket would have obscured that. Me, not so much.

The interesting thing about the phone calls is they did not show up the same. All three showed up differently, but the first one, was clearly a sheriff number. I don't really want to go into details, but I will say we're foster parents, and you begin to know when you're getting "official" calls, if you KWIM. There are certain words that show up on caller ID that may not say police, but are official.

The second was more ambiguous, but again, a type of wording consistent with coming from LE or another "official" agency that may not want caller ID to show exactly who is calling. The third was the strangest of all what the caller ID said, but was most assuredly the same person, because she had a distinctive name, and a distinctive voice, and prompted me with details of our prior conversation. That is the call that again, makes my gut twist. Doesn't make any sense, for a lot of reasons. I'm not sure it's wise to go into it more than that, for a few reasons, but in part because it could be something perfectly sensible, but meanwhile I don't want to be outing MCSOs.

If it ever becomes relevant, I have the phone records... I could look it up, but it's going to take some convincing to get me to believe that kind of detail is in the public interest. MCSO knows who called me, and their investigation is of primary importance as far as I'm concerned.

I googled Kristian.... Definitely not him. They look like family, but they don't look much alike to me.

 

[wondering1]

Both Kaine and Terri were adopted...

this seems to be a common misperception, unless you are considering adoption by a bio mom's second husband and "adoption" in the same sense that TH was adopted. KH was adopted by his mother's second (?) husband. Not by completely non-bio parents.

 

[Calliope]

What I hear you saying is that the people you saw are definitely not TH, DY or KH; the child they were with upset you by invading your child's space; you have a gut feeling that tells you that someone other than TH is involved in this; and you won't say what your feeling is because its not consistent with the majority opinion and it's based solely on your gut instinct.

Th makes my *gut twist* and I don't have any problems saying it. Not because it's the mainstream opinion, but because it's the truth. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Do I care, absolutely not. I think what I think, and I feel what I feel. I think you should just say what you think and be done with it.

I think her posts were pretty detailed, as much as could be expected. And she's not saying she definitely didn't see Kaine. In fact, she's saying the man looked a LOT like Kaine.

 

[Calliope]

this seems to be a common misperception, unless you are considering adoption by a bio mom's second husband and "adoption" in the same sense that TH was adopted. KH was adopted by his mother's second (?) husband. Not by completely non-bio parents.

Do you (or anyone out here) have a source for that? I read his father being described as his adoptive father, and in the brother's thread it was brought up they were adopted, but I don't remember seeing that his mother is his biological mother.

 

[Jade2010]

The interesting thing about the phone calls is they did not show up the same. All three showed up differently, but the first one, was clearly a sheriff number. I don't really want to go into details, but I will say we're foster parents, and you begin to know when you're getting "official" calls, if you KWIM. There are certain words that show up on caller ID that may not say police, but are official.

Just be careful. If your name is known somehow, people who are not LE may call you posing as them (being detectives on their own) or misleading you to believe they are LE.

 

[Calliope]

I'm not sure how to answer this... Kaine is built a lot like my husband. I would have put the man I saw somewhere between 6ft and 6ft 2in, and somewhere between 160-170, give or take a few pounds. I would put Kaine (now, since I didn't really want to "see" him until I had some reason to think I had already seen him) at 180-200. He's got that tall slender build, but a little weight in his face and the belly area. That said, he may have gained a little weight with the stress, and the person I saw was wearing a jacket and a hat, which may have made a person like Kaine appear a bit lighter than they really are. My husband is like that, he can hide 20 lbs rather easily at that weight, it doesn't show up in his body as much as his face and tummym and the jacket would have obscured that. Me, not so much.

It's hard to judge someone's weight in photos and videos. That ol' thing about the camera putting on pounds? I saw photos of Kaine where his legs looked quite thin; he may not be as heavy as you think.

 

[froginTtown]

this seems to be a common misperception, unless you are considering adoption by a bio mom's second husband and "adoption" in the same sense that TH was adopted. KH was adopted by his mother's second (?) husband. Not by completely non-bio parents.

Honestly, makes no difference to me....I don't see the releviance anyhow...kids are kids and adults are adults...

 

[rnmif]

What I hear you saying is that the people you saw are definitely not TH, DY or KH; the child they were with upset you by invading your child's space; you have a gut feeling that tells you that someone other than TH is involved in this; and you won't say what your feeling is because its not consistent with the majority opinion and it's based solely on your gut instinct.

Th makes my *gut twist* and I don't have any problems saying it. Not because it's the mainstream opinion, but because it's the truth. Could I be wrong? Absolutely. Do I care, absolutely not. I think what I think, and I feel what I feel. I think you should just say what you think and be done with it.

Wondering1, with brain issues, I admire honesty and bluntness. I hate trying to figure complex things out. Maybe I could do that when I was young, but now, not so much.

Don't ever apologize for speaking your truth, especially not to me. Personally, I wish we had a little more being willing to put ourselves out there in this world. Maybe then... well... we all know what then. I'd rather be an honest fool than look secretly brilliant. I'd rather someone call a spade a spade, at least I know where I stand with them rather than my hamster wheel brain spinning trying to parse what they say. That drives me crazy.

I may have been unclear, but I told LE that I was 90% sure I saw Kyron, and (I forget specifics now) later when asked about Kaine, I was 80% sure it was him. If it wasn't him, it was someone who looked a lot like him.

I did have an immediate gut reaction about this little kid in my kids space. My son... is very trusting, and if the little boy asked him, he'd give him the game system, and with some kids, it would never be seen again. The kid I looked up at was sweet, shy, reserved, and just very excited, but very smart, had an impressive vocabulary, and was very respectful. I relaxed immediately and told my son to say hi. I was about to offer to the adults that he could sit in my chair and play with my son and the game system, since he was so excited about it, but they were already out of earshot and I could not leave my son. I thought maybe the boys might want to play together, and the adults could do what they came for, but I wasn't going to offer without talking to them first. By then, the little boy went after them, so it was a moot point.

I can't say what I think happened. I have some working theories that might be correct, or might just be me trying to make sense of what I think I saw. I'm not sharing them yet because I don't yet know how things work here very well, and I'm not sure my theories have any relevance. I... don't want to rush to judgement. They're just theories, and relevant only to what I think I saw.

Look, I couldn't imagine that Susan Smith was guilty (I was young and dumb). Then again, I had Drew Peterson pegged nearly from the beginning. I'm a human. I don't give too much weight to what I say, and I'm not sure you should either. I'm here because I am a person who strives to lie my head on the pillow every night with a clear conscience, and right now, my conscience isn't clear. I as much as anyone don't want to believe I saw Kyron, because if I did, that's 2 months sooner DY would have had her son back. They would have had to pry Kyron from my cold, grasping hands if I *knew* it was him, because no way was he leaving where we were had I known. They could have taken ME to jail, but if I had a missing kid in my grasp, I would not let go.

That is hard to live with. That is why I can't sleep at night.

Trust me, I really want to be wrong. I'm just afraid I'm right. And I'm afraid that isn't a good thing.

 

[wondering1]

Do you (or anyone out here) have a source for that? I read his father being described as his adoptive father, and in the brother's thread it was brought up they were adopted, but I don't remember seeing that his mother is his biological mother.

More than a year after they were married, on Dec. 8, 2008, Kaine and Terri had a baby girl, ***.

Her name reflects a family tradition of Kaine's biological father, Kurtis Mengel, who has a twin sister, Kari Mengel Hoagland. Mengel and his wife, Kristi, named their sons Kaine and Kristian, now 32.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2010/06/kyron_hormans_blended_family_f.html

Kristi divorced Kurtis and remarried Neil Horman...and here's Kristian's wedding announcement indicating that Kristi Horman is his mother. Short of having the actual divorce papers and marriage license, I think it's a non-issue. Krist is his bio mom, and neil is his adoptive father.

 

[rnmif]

Scott Peterson, not Drew. Why did two Peterson cases have to happen so close together.... UGH.

 

[Calliope]

careful ... you have baby's name in that post.

 

[wondering1]

Wondering1, with brain issues, I admire honesty and bluntness. I hate trying to figure complex things out. Maybe I could do that when I was young, but now, not so much.

Don't ever apologize for speaking your truth, especially not to me. Personally, I wish we had a little more being willing to put ourselves out there in this world. Maybe then... well... we all know what then. I'd rather be an honest fool than look secretly brilliant. I'd rather someone call a spade a spade, at least I know where I stand with them rather than my hamster wheel brain spinning trying to parse what they say. That drives me crazy.

I may have been unclear, but I told LE that I was 90% sure I saw Kyron, and (I forget specifics now) later when asked about Kaine, I was 80% sure it was him. If it wasn't him, it was someone who looked a lot like him.

I did have an immediate gut reaction about this little kid in my kids space. My son... is very trusting, and if the little boy asked him, he'd give him the game system, and with some kids, it would never be seen again. The kid I looked up at was sweet, shy, reserved, and just very excited, but very smart, had an impressive vocabulary, and was very respectful. I relaxed immediately and told my son to say hi. I was about to offer to the adults that he could sit in my chair and play with my son and the game system, since he was so excited about it, but they were already out of earshot and I could not leave my son. I thought maybe the boys might want to play together, and the adults could do what they came for, but I wasn't going to offer without talking to them first. By then, the little boy went after them, so it was a moot point.

I can't say what I think happened. I have some working theories that might be correct, or might just be me trying to make sense of what I think I saw. I'm not sharing them yet because I don't yet know how things work here very well, and I'm not sure my theories have any relevance. I... don't want to rush to judgement. They're just theories, and relevant only to what I think I saw.

Look, I couldn't imagine that Susan Smith was guilty (I was young and dumb). Then again, I had Drew Peterson pegged nearly from the beginning. I'm a human. I don't give too much weight to what I say, and I'm not sure you should either. I'm here because I am a person who strives to lie my head on the pillow every night with a clear conscience, and right now, my conscience isn't clear. I as much as anyone don't want to believe I saw Kyron, because if I did, that's 2 months sooner DY would have had her son back. They would have had to pry Kyron from my cold, grasping hands if I *knew* it was him, because no way was he leaving where we were had I known. They could have taken ME to jail, but if I had a missing kid in my grasp, I would not let go.

That is hard to live with. That is why I can't sleep at night.

Trust me, I really want to be wrong. I'm just afraid I'm right. And I'm afraid that isn't a good thing.

Well, if you've reported it, I guess LE will figure it out. I'm assuming you gave more details about the event, etc. to them. My feeling is, if you're gonna put it out there (here) put it ALL out there, or not at all. But, whatever. It's not that big a deal. Sorry you're losing sleep over it. I hope you are right, and it was him, and LE can find him based on your info.

 

[Calliope]

Kristi divorced Kurtis and remarried Neil Horman...and here's Kristian's wedding announcement indicating that Kristi Horman is his mother. Short of having the actual divorce papers and marriage license, I think it's a non-issue. Krist is his bio mom, and neil is his adoptive father.

I don't see an announcement ?

Adoption makes the child yours, and you're his parent. Even if she did adopt Kaine, she'd still be referred to as his mother.

 

[froginTtown]

Kaines brother Kristian went before a court on June 16 ? on a Felony #3...

 

[wondering1]

careful ... you have baby's name in that post.

haha...oops, edited. that's all you have to say about it

 

[wondering1]

I don't see an announcement ?

Adoption makes the child yours, and you're his parent. Even if she did adopt Kaine, she'd still be referred to as his mother.

Announcement

http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com...11199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart

Fine, there are two Kristi's in that area that have children who happen to be named Kaine and Kristian. The first Kristi just happens to be their bio Mom, and the second Kristi adopted them. I don't know what else to say. If you want to believe that Kristi Horman is not their bio mom, so be it.

 

[Calliope]

haha...oops, edited. that's all you have to say about it

I can't keep up with these people. Blended my butt. More like a mixed up mess of marriages, divorces, adoptions, custody, etc.

 

[Calliope]

Announcement

http://www.enterprisenewspapers.com...11199831/-1/ETPZONESHL&template=ETPZoneSHLart

Fine, there are two Kristi's in that area that have children who happen to be named Kaine and Kristian. The first Kristi just happens to be their bio Mom, and the second Kristi adopted them. I don't know what else to say. If you want to believe that Kristi Horman is not their bio mom, so be it.

I don't know what to believe, actually. Just asking for a source that NH adopted his wife's sons. Thanks for the announcement.