Possible Victim: Fire Island Jane Doe, UP9098, found Davis Park Apr 1996 & Ocean Parkway Apr 2011 - Karen Vergata

[Hotpotato]

Someone here(bigcityaccountant?) had a very good post about how the DNA and stuff works and it sounds like they are not automatically cross checked just because both the UP and MP have DNA entered.

 

[scotiansleuth]

Someone here(bigcityaccountant?) had a very good post about how the DNA and stuff works and it sounds like they are not automatically cross checked just because both the UP and MP have DNA entered.

https://www.fbi.gov/services/laboratory/biometric-analysis/codis/codis-and-ndis-fact-sheet how codis and ndis works, I don't see anything automated. It says each search is done individually.

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[DQN]

Forget about the DNA etc. Namus said :
Hello,
We have forwarded your email to the primary investigator. They will contact you if they require any further information. Based on the case information we have, these cases are ruled out.

Thank you,
Lori

Lori Bruski
Regional Systems Administrator
National Missing & Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Its sounds as though Maryanne Ruffini is ruled out but she is still forwarding it to the investigator as a matter of protocol. Hot Potatoe did you send more than one possible match to Namus? because she said CASES. If so who was the other one.

If they were previously ruled out then it should be listed on Namus, everyone is spinning their wheels on rule outs when the time could be used looking at other leads. Does Namus know how useless it is when people are working hard and spending hours on matches?

Perhaps Tricia needs to get involved contacting Namus with our grievances and concerns, since web sleuths is responsible for finding so many matches, perhaps we could find even more if not for the slow or lame data entry work on the Namus end.

 

[PictureSnatcher]

Forget about the DNA etc. Namus said :
Hello,
We have forwarded your email to the primary investigator. They will contact you if they require any further information. Based on the case information we have, these cases are ruled out.

Thank you,
Lori

Lori Bruski
Regional Systems Administrator
National Missing & Unidentified Persons System (NamUs)

Its sounds as though Maryanne Ruffini is ruled out but she is still forwarding it to the investigator as a matter of protocol. Hot Potatoe did you send more than one possible match to Namus? because she said CASES. If so who was the other one.

If they were previously ruled out then it should be listed on Namus, everyone is spinning their wheels on rule outs when the time could be used looking at other leads. Does Namus know how useless it is when people are working hard and spending hours on matches?

Perhaps Tricia needs to get involved contacting Namus with our grievances and concerns, since web sleuths is responsible for finding so many matches, perhaps we could find even more if not for the slow or lame data entry work on the Namus end.

how many matches has websleuths found so far?

 

[DQN]

how many matches has websleuths found so far?

Plenty, (100's if not thousands) plus the case of cali that I always post as an example. Today Websleuths has this on the top of the main page in the news zipper.

CA- North Highlands ​

Son is Grateful to Websleuths for Helping Find his Father

Websleuths is known more for matches of missing to unidentified than anything else.

Even NBC Dateline has asked Websleuths for help in finding certain type of cases for their show. People that committed crimes and were on the run.

Think about it, there is no one in any agency that spends the time and hours that we do on matching missing to unidentified. We do it because we care and want to.

You can also be sure LE are browsing through our posts for ideas, theories and possible leads to solve their crimes. This site is a tour de force like no other.

 

[Hotpotato]

I just submitted that one. I agree it's really frustrating. I'm sure it gets lost with their workload but it wouls ultimately save them time if they weren't getting tons of repeat emails about suggestions that have already been ruled out. I was actually half tempted to ask on the public fb page for my suggestion if she had any scars, etc on her legs. As far as matches in my search for potential matches for peaches I actually located a mother who kidnapped her infant daughter 20 years ago via Facebook. I'm having some issue getting the info to the right agency though...

 

[DQN]

I just submitted that one. I agree it's really frustrating. I'm sure it gets lost with their workload but it wouls ultimately save them time if they weren't getting tons of repeat emails about suggestions that have already been ruled out. I was actually half tempted to ask on the public fb page for my suggestion if she had any scars, etc on her legs. As far as matches in my search for potential matches for peaches I actually located a mother who kidnapped her infant daughter 20 years ago via Facebook. I'm having some issue getting the info to the right agency though...

If you are asking a family they will always answer your questions and not care if you use a photo, after all their goal is to find their missing especially if you are willing to help, just tell them you are on web sleuths. I get private messages from people asking to help find their missing family members.

It was such a good match it was submitted in the past but who would know, that is why I always say it is not always the obvious that makes the match in the end.

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Her DNA is in NAMUS. I assume they would automatically get a hit if there was a match.

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From my understanding, It works just like if you were to submit your DNA to Ancestry. You get a bunch of hits, some better than others. For instance, FI Jane Doe may hit on 1,200 potential matches, 1 might be 80%, the other 2%. Its up to the investigators to look thru the list of "potential" matches to determine if more investigation is required such as comparing dental records or fingerprints.

Here is my post in this thread from my correspondence with NamUs.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?283328-Fire-Island-Jane-Doe&p=13076052#post13076052

 

[BigCityAccountant]

Copying over this post from the Joaquin-Moreno Identified Thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...oaquin-Moreno*

According to one of the posters on that thread, If you have a match, the thing to do is to call the coroner''s office listed who has the remains and ask them to test if there is DNA available from the NaMus match.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...5#post12306745

Basically, from what I gather from reading the thread, submissions should be sent into NamUs AS WELL AS submitted to the coroner's office listed who have the remains.

 

[WesternArtist]

Copying over this post from the Joaquin-Moreno Identified Thread.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...oaquin-Moreno*

According to one of the posters on that thread, If you have a match, the thing to do is to call the coroner''s office listed who has the remains and ask them to test if there is DNA available from the NaMus match.

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/sho...5#post12306745

Basically, from what I gather from reading the thread, submissions should be sent into NamUs AS WELL AS submitted to the coroner's office listed who have the remains.

Hmm, great info! I have been doing my submissions via Doe Network but also contacting NamUs concerning cases they don't have files for. They're really quick about adding cases. I have been following the submissions and noticed that even for one UID say Manorville Jane Doe, the order in which cases are added to rule outs seems really odd. For example I submitted Katya Marie Lyne in early January. She was ruled out by dental records within a month. Before my submission others had submitted Suzanne Lyall (who also has dental records) but I haven't heard any updates on her -did the panel reject her because of a discrepancy in weight? There's also no listed rule outs still for FI Jane Doe yet in NamUs these two cases are listed as having the same case manager and ME. I guess what I'm getting at is:
a) It would be really nice if we could have a comprehensive list of our submissions and their actual status to date
b) With how quick some recent submissions have been ruled out I'm wondering if earlier (including years ago) submissions weren't actually looked at (due to how they were submitted by us or who was in charge of the case at the time)?

 

[Hotpotato]

So I think we can officially list Maryanne Ruffini as a rule out. Just got another email.

"Regarding your email,
Both individuals have DNA profiles in the Combined DNA Index System with no associations."

 

[WesternArtist]

How about Holly Anne Painter? http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1509dfon.html

She fractured her left leg 8 years before her disappearance. She went missing from the Toronto area on June 26, 1995. Her debit card was later used in Western New York. (I thought I had already seen this one on here but then I went through the whole thread and couldn't find it so it might have been another thread.)

 

[BigCityAccountant]

How about Holly Anne Painter? http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1509dfon.html

She fractured her left leg 8 years before her disappearance. She went missing from the Toronto area on June 26, 1995. Her debit card was later used in Western New York. (I thought I had already seen this one on here but then I went through the whole thread and couldn't find it so it might have been another thread.)

Great Find WesternArtist! I like it very much.

 

[WesternArtist]

Great Find WesternArtist! I like it very much.

Thanks! I tried layering the faces to test this potential match. It was kind of tough since the only straight on picture I could find of Holly has her mouth slightly open...

 

[dexter75]

Great Find WesternArtist! I like it very much.

Me too, BCA.
Until I started advocated for the Missing in Michigan, I never realized how many unidentified persons could be potential matches until this site.

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[PictureSnatcher]

Here is a question for everyone: if they could make sketches of FI Jane after her skull was on OP for 15 years, and one of Manorville Jane after 11, why haven't the made a sketch of John Doe 2000 available since he was found weeks after his murder? Or John Doe 2003 who was found 4 months after his death? Or John Doe 2012 who was found under 5 years after he died?

Come to think it, have the police ever even mentioned that male bodies were dumped with the females torsos in Manorville during all the press conferences on LISK? Hm...

Could it be that LE doesn't WANT these guys identified?

Sure seems strange to me, we should have these damn sketches. SCPD is corrupt and can't be trusted to run this investigation.

 

[alawaysslueth]

Here is a short list of possiable matches I found on NamUs and doenetwork



1. Laura Williams-https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7079/499/

2. Shaylene Farrell-https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1306/498/

3. Sherry Jean Pickle-http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1099dfca.html

4. Anna MANNING-https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20773/298/

5. Elizabeth Bump-https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8230/294/

 

[DQN]

Here is a short list of possiable matches I found on NamUs and doenetwork



1. Laura Williams-https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/7079/499/

2. Shaylene Farrell-https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/1306/498/

3. Sherry Jean Pickle-http://www.doenetwork.org/cases/1099dfca.html

4. Anna MANNING-https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/20773/298/

5. Elizabeth Bump-https://www.findthemissing.org/en/cases/8230/294/

I have a suggestion Alaways sleuth.....repost this and use the link icon it's the world with the double link on the right side of the bottom of the globe in the tool bar, then we just have to click on the link you will get more help from the board if you make it easier to look at. Thanks.

 

[WesternArtist]

Here is a question for everyone: if they could make sketches of FI Jane after her skull was on OP for 15 years, and one of Manorville Jane after 11, why haven't the made a sketch of John Doe 2000 available since he was found weeks after his murder? Or John Doe 2003 who was found 4 months after his death? Or John Doe 2012 who was found under 5 years after he died?

Come to think it, have the police ever even mentioned that male bodies were dumped with the females torsos in Manorville during all the press conferences on LISK? Hm...

Could it be that LE doesn't WANT these guys identified?

Sure seems strange to me, we should have these damn sketches. SCPD is corrupt and can't be trusted to run this investigation.

I fully agree, this is suspicious. Interestingly, there is an unidentified Hispanic male who was found in East Farmingdale on December 30, 2016 whose case is already entered with a good sketch. He was very petit and wearing women's jeans. I couldn't find any news articles to get a sense of if the circumstances may make this case related but this timeline shows that the resources are there.
https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16280

 

[PictureSnatcher]

I fully agree, this is suspicious. Interestingly, there is an unidentified Hispanic male who was found in East Farmingdale on December 30, 2016 whose case is already entered with a good sketch. He was very petit and wearing women's jeans. I couldn't find any news articles to get a sense of if the circumstances may make this case related but this timeline shows that the resources are there.
https://www.identifyus.org/en/cases/16280

Wow Holy **** GREAT work that really has all the hallmarkings of our sk male victims. SK is still active if post mortem info is correct. Maybe this guy has been reported missing from BK or LI