Possible Victim: Shannan Gilbert, 24, missing May 2010, found Oak Beach Dec 2011 #3

[snarast]

Sherlock H stated "There is something in it that they don’t want released".
From Day one, The Suffolk County Police and County leadership have been keeping everything hidden. It took years for the 911 call to be released to the public, due to the efforts of John Ray.
The SCPD say it is an ongoing investigation, but there are no signs of any kind of investigation process taking place.

So why hold everything away from public scrutiny? Because somebody or some local organization will be tremendously embarrassed if the truth is available to the public. IMO

I also believe JB knows the truth.

I wonder who might be *that* important. I guess it was Burke and then the FBI made that ship sail, so the gloves were off.

 

[james.coff]

I have never thought she died from the elements. It was over 50 degrees then , so how is that even possible?

AGREE 100% I read the weather reports from the weeks following and there were no really cold days, and I don't believe the SCPD have ever actually used those words...(to my knowledge)

 

[PillowofWinds]

I always wonder that! 14 y/o girl would set off huge searches on LONG Island. Thank you for bringing that up!

especially in a gated elite community, at that hour, after GC called 911 and described the situation. keep in mind, when the police showed up NO ONE said, hey lets check the video of the entrance to see what happened.

 

[PillowofWinds]

Where can I find them?

there's a whole thread under LISK

 

[Mr.Dandy]

So I re-read Lost girls. I had read it so many years ago and so much in the case has changed. Also, I find that many current news articles have been tainted by inaccuracy that social media has spawned, if that makes sense. I wanted to go back to the beginning and pick up on any details that I didn’t know about or I found of particular interest.I’m sure everything has been discussed before as it’s been almost 15 years of discussion. This is just things I found poignant. I am also going to post some other details on the most recent LISK thread. This is just the Shannan thoughts.

When Shannan takes off running, she runs down Anchor Way to the Bayou. The Bayou appears to be Galley E st. On google maps. That street takes you to the water but also a dead end. There are only so many streets she could go but they are all a dead end from that direction. It’s either houses, water or the marsh she was found in. I wonder if Michael Pak followed her that far? If she ran down Bayou and was trapped, did she run back the way she came and felt she needed to take her chances through the marshland? One side of anchor way had been her access point, which happened to be right at Hackett’s house.
I found an exact picture of where her body was located and cross matched it with where I think it’s at on google earth. The landscape looks a bit different. On top of that, that are some defined pathways or possibly mosquito trenches that are visible, but also different than both pictures. It may have looked different that night. It was dark and unfamiliar and she was scared. She may have just gone a way that looked ok and tried to get back to the main road. She was almost there. One of the LEs said that if all that stuff didn’t happen with her, it looked like she had basically been dumped on the side of the road, just like the other girls. But… that’s not what happened. So she called 911 just before 5:00 am. It was 21 minute call, making the time, give or take, 5:20am. She’s running up the street, talking to Coletti, talking to Barbara Brennan, still running, then into the marsh. That had to be at least 10-15 more minutes. The sun rises at 5:54 (approx.) in May. I googled it. It was not pitch black. John Ray walked through the marsh too during May at 5:00 am in the morning. He said the water wasn’t deep, it wasn’t dark and it wasn’t even that daunting with the brambles.
Michael Pak said Shannan was wearing a wig in one of his interviews. No wig had been found near her remains, at least not what I read. He has to be wrong, right? Maybe just mis-spoke?
Hackett had a hero complex. I don’t like Hackett. I’m not sure how much responsibility he had in Shannan’s disappearance, but I don’t like him. Too many inconsistencies in his stories.Does anyone remember seeing that Hackett’s daughter was visiting the day Shannan went missing? It’s mentioned just once in the book. He constantly denied even speaking to Shannan’s mother on the phone… only ever admitting it once before and phone records proved it. After that, it became a point that everyone wanted to make with him. Then it went from he called her mother back then he called several days after, even though the phone records said otherwise… then he had just done what Alex wanted him to do… I mean the truth is the truth. It doesn’t ever change yet his recollection constantly differed. Shannan’s mother recollection was kind of bad too so it made it questionable for a long time. But, it did happen.
So to me, the only way I’m convinced Rex killed Shannan is if she was running out of the marsh and into the road and lo and behold, guess who is driving by. It wouldn’t be strange if he put her back where he found her. I mean, I don’t really believe that. It’s a little too Hollywood movie… but I do think he drove through there often. Just my opinion here.I just don’t know what happened to her. She dumps her bag with her phone and money, I presume…her shoes…. She takes off her pants. Why? Then she dies 10 feet from the main road? They did say her bones were sun bleached. If she was moved, it was long before she was discovered. Speaking of, I wonder how much money she had? Did Brewer pay her? I don’t know what kind of drug would make her do that. That’s why Hackett is still in play. But he had a prosthetic leg, a pacemaker… yes he was an EMT before, but that’s some crazy brush to tromp through with a dead body in tow… or he drove her… or someone did, which is why she was so close to the road. On top of that, if his daughter was in town, she’s another witness.A jacket was found but misplaced, never identified as being hers. Her mom always swore it was her jacket though.

Shannan had a tattoo of cherries on her wrist. Weird Right?

 

[DS2021]

if she was murdered, i dont think RH had anything to do with it

 

[Mr.Dandy]

if she was murdered, i dont think RH had anything to do with it

To be clear, I don’t either. Not that she couldn’t have crossed his path at some point, it was just all the things that happened that night.

 

[Warwick7]

To be clear, I don’t either. Not that she couldn’t have crossed his path at some point, it was just all the things that happened that night.

She crossed his path I have no doubt.

 

[Warwick7]

Still stand true....

On another thread I stated my thoughts on Pak and added a thought from the post up above:
MOO
1. While in the house she contacted him several times. (In other words please help, come and get me.)
2. She was upset he was using her real name. It went against how they ran escorting. She knew something was up.
3. Her staunch refusal to leave JB's home is very much unlike how most escorts operate. Since they were partaking in an illicit activity, you don't want to draw attention to yourself but she kept doing that and wanted the police there.
4. Pak never takes the phone to talk to 911, let alone give them the address to where SG was at.
5. If she made her own appointments, like Pak said, why didn't she know the address to where she was at? She didn't know because Pak booked appointments, particularly this one.
6. Brewer fakes he wants her to leave and go home--Pak plays along.
7. They know she's on a 911 call, they play along like they are the good guys.
8. Pak said Brewer and SG left to go get cards, lube and prescription meds. It's all a set up. If they would have found her sooner and tested her hair and body, I'm sure they would have found they drugged her.
9. About a half a dozen times she says asks if "this" was all a set up. She knew what was going on.
10. She knew he was apart of what was happening to her:
SG: You're being sarcastic.
Pak: About what?
SG: About this.. you were part of this all
along.

I could say more.....

 

[james.coff]

So I re-read Lost girls. I had read it so many years ago and so much in the case has changed. Also, I find that many current news articles have been tainted by inaccuracy that social media has spawned, if that makes sense. I wanted to go back to the beginning and pick up on any details that I didn’t know about or I found of particular interest.I’m sure everything has been discussed before as it’s been almost 15 years of discussion. This is just things I found poignant. I am also going to post some other details on the most recent LISK thread. This is just the Shannan thoughts.

When Shannan takes off running, she runs down Anchor Way to the Bayou. The Bayou appears to be Galley E st. On google maps. That street takes you to the water but also a dead end. There are only so many streets she could go but they are all a dead end from that direction. It’s either houses, water or the marsh she was found in. I wonder if Michael Pak followed her that far? If she ran down Bayou and was trapped, did she run back the way she came and felt she needed to take her chances through the marshland? One side of anchor way had been her access point, which happened to be right at Hackett’s house.
I found an exact picture of where her body was located and cross matched it with where I think it’s at on google earth. The landscape looks a bit different. On top of that, that are some defined pathways or possibly mosquito trenches that are visible, but also different than both pictures. It may have looked different that night. It was dark and unfamiliar and she was scared. She may have just gone a way that looked ok and tried to get back to the main road. She was almost there. One of the LEs said that if all that stuff didn’t happen with her, it looked like she had basically been dumped on the side of the road, just like the other girls. But… that’s not what happened. So she called 911 just before 5:00 am. It was 21 minute call, making the time, give or take, 5:20am. She’s running up the street, talking to Coletti, talking to Barbara Brennan, still running, then into the marsh. That had to be at least 10-15 more minutes. The sun rises at 5:54 (approx.) in May. I googled it. It was not pitch black. John Ray walked through the marsh too during May at 5:00 am in the morning. He said the water wasn’t deep, it wasn’t dark and it wasn’t even that daunting with the brambles.
Michael Pak said Shannan was wearing a wig in one of his interviews. No wig had been found near her remains, at least not what I read. He has to be wrong, right? Maybe just mis-spoke?
Hackett had a hero complex. I don’t like Hackett. I’m not sure how much responsibility he had in Shannan’s disappearance, but I don’t like him. Too many inconsistencies in his stories.Does anyone remember seeing that Hackett’s daughter was visiting the day Shannan went missing? It’s mentioned just once in the book. He constantly denied even speaking to Shannan’s mother on the phone… only ever admitting it once before and phone records proved it. After that, it became a point that everyone wanted to make with him. Then it went from he called her mother back then he called several days after, even though the phone records said otherwise… then he had just done what Alex wanted him to do… I mean the truth is the truth. It doesn’t ever change yet his recollection constantly differed. Shannan’s mother recollection was kind of bad too so it made it questionable for a long time. But, it did happen.
So to me, the only way I’m convinced Rex killed Shannan is if she was running out of the marsh and into the road and lo and behold, guess who is driving by. It wouldn’t be strange if he put her back where he found her. I mean, I don’t really believe that. It’s a little too Hollywood movie… but I do think he drove through there often. Just my opinion here.I just don’t know what happened to her. She dumps her bag with her phone and money, I presume…her shoes…. She takes off her pants. Why? Then she dies 10 feet from the main road? They did say her bones were sun bleached. If she was moved, it was long before she was discovered. Speaking of, I wonder how much money she had? Did Brewer pay her? I don’t know what kind of drug would make her do that. That’s why Hackett is still in play. But he had a prosthetic leg, a pacemaker… yes he was an EMT before, but that’s some crazy brush to tromp through with a dead body in tow… or he drove her… or someone did, which is why she was so close to the road. On top of that, if his daughter was in town, she’s another witness.A jacket was found but misplaced, never identified as being hers. Her mom always swore it was her jacket though.

Shannan had a tattoo of cherries on her wrist. Weird Right?

Unfortunately Lost Girls is not an official book by law enforcement, therefore, can not be used as any type of credible source.

Lost Girls by Robert Kolker is not an official release by law enforcement or the police. It is an investigative true crime book written by a journalist. Kolker gathered information through interviews, public records, and research, but the book is an independent account—not an official report.

Important Distinctions:​

1. Independent Journalism:
   Kolker approached the case as an investigative journalist, aiming to tell the victims' stories and highlight broader societal issues, such as systemic neglect and the stigma surrounding sex workers.
2. Not a Police Report:
   The book is not based on insider police documents or direct involvement with law enforcement. While Kolker uses publicly available case details, he also draws from the perspectives of families, friends, and others involved in the victims’ lives.
3. Subjective Interpretation:
   While Kolker strives for accuracy, his narrative inevitably includes interpretations and contextual framing, which differ from a factual, unbiased police investigation report.

Why People Quote It:​

The book is highly regarded for its thoroughness and empathetic portrayal, making it a credible resource for understanding the case—but it should not be mistaken for an official or authoritative police document.

 

[WINDSOR]

Unfortunately Lost Girls is not an official book by law enforcement, therefore, can not be used as any type of credible source.

Lost Girls by Robert Kolker is not an official release by law enforcement or the police. It is an investigative true crime book written by a journalist. Kolker gathered information through interviews, public records, and research, but the book is an independent account—not an official report.

Important Distinctions:​

1. Independent Journalism:
   Kolker approached the case as an investigative journalist, aiming to tell the victims' stories and highlight broader societal issues, such as systemic neglect and the stigma surrounding sex workers.
2. Not a Police Report:
   The book is not based on insider police documents or direct involvement with law enforcement. While Kolker uses publicly available case details, he also draws from the perspectives of families, friends, and others involved in the victims’ lives.
3. Subjective Interpretation:
   While Kolker strives for accuracy, his narrative inevitably includes interpretations and contextual framing, which differ from a factual, unbiased police investigation report.

Why People Quote It:​

The book is highly regarded for its thoroughness and empathetic portrayal, making it a credible resource for understanding the case—but it should not be mistaken for an official or authoritative police document.

By posting the above, are you saying that only police documents and releases are true and accurate?

History is full of cases where investigative journalism has discovered information that police never found, lost, failed to disclose, and/or lied about.

One only has to learn about the Innocence Project (Innocence Project) to see examples of Police malfeasance and mistakes.

The SCPD has a history of corruption and criminal leadership. I do not believe the SCPD has performed and released a factual, unbiased police investigation report in the Shannan Gilbert case. The SCPD and the County have also rejected outside agencies involvement in the investigation.

It is my understanding, that the official police reports state that no crimes were committed at Oak Beach that night. No illegal drugs, no sex trafficking, no unethical medical practices, no obstruction of justice, and no criminal negligence causing death. The 911 call was irrelevant.

The reports would have us believe the SCPD officer who finally arrived on the scene, did a thorough investigation at that time, interviewed witnesses and did not believe the Video from the gatehouse was important because he did not retrieve it.

 

[Warwick7]

By posting the above, are you saying that only police documents and releases are true and accurate?

History is full of cases where investigative journalism has discovered information that police never found, lost, failed to disclose, and/or lied about.

One only has to learn about the Innocence Project (Innocence Project) to see examples of Police malfeasance and mistakes.

The SCPD has a history of corruption and criminal leadership. I do not believe the SCPD has performed and released a factual, unbiased police investigation report in the Shannan Gilbert case. The SCPD and the County have also rejected outside agencies involvement in the investigation.

It is my understanding, that the official police reports state that no crimes were committed at Oak Beach that night. No illegal drugs, no sex trafficking, no unethical medical practices, no obstruction of justice, and no criminal negligence causing death. The 911 call was irrelevant.

The reports would have us believe the SCPD officer who finally arrived on the scene, did a thorough investigation at that time, interviewed witnesses and retrieved the Video from the gatehouse.

Bam!!!!!

 

[james.coff]

By posting the above, are you saying that only police documents and releases are true and accurate?

History is full of cases where investigative journalism has discovered information that police never found, lost, failed to disclose, and/or lied about.

One only has to learn about the Innocence Project (Innocence Project) to see examples of Police malfeasance and mistakes.

The SCPD has a history of corruption and criminal leadership. I do not believe the SCPD has performed and released a factual, unbiased police investigation report in the Shannan Gilbert case. The SCPD and the County have also rejected outside agencies involvement in the investigation.

It is my understanding, that the official police reports state that no crimes were committed at Oak Beach that night. No illegal drugs, no sex trafficking, no unethical medical practices, no obstruction of justice, and no criminal negligence causing death. The 911 call was irrelevant.

The reports would have us believe the SCPD officer who finally arrived on the scene, did a thorough investigation at that time, interviewed witnesses and did not believe the Video from the gatehouse was important because he did not retrieve it.

That is not my statement at all. I am just pointing out that the book is not official.

I agree with the rest of your statement though. I am very familiar with the SCPD corruptions and as far as the offical police reports...only New Jersey Police have released any official reports regarding Shannan Gilbert, SCPD continues to deny requests due to "open case".

 

[Mr.Dandy]

The book is also just interviews and background directly by those involved with the victims.

 

[snarast]

That is not my statement at all. I am just pointing out that the book is not official.

I agree with the rest of your statement though. I am very familiar with the SCPD corruptions and as far as the offical police reports...only New Jersey Police have released any official reports regarding Shannan Gilbert, SCPD continues to deny requests due to "open case".

An open case that is simultaneously only an accident. I just love it when statements defy all logic….

 

[james.coff]

An open case that is simultaneously only an accident. I just love it when statements defy all logic….

Only in Suffolk County...SMH xxoxoxoxoox

 

[Warwick7]

An open case that is simultaneously only an accident. I just love it when statements defy all logic….

Luv this!!!!

 

[bricker]

I'm not sure what happened to Shannan. I don't think anyone can look at the publicly available facts and give an authoritative answer. Anyone who wholeheartedly states that she was murdered or not murdered is basing their opinion on emotion, not evidence.

I think it was always very apparent that she wasn't a victim of the Gilgo Beach killer. Her line of work and her "kind of close, but not that close" proximity to the other victims made it somewhat plausible in the eyes of tabloid "journalists". However, to anyone who scratched beneath the surface, it quickly became obvious that she went missing under very different circumstances. To me, it never made sense, so I wasn't shocked to learn that the offender was some guy who had zero connections to Oak Beach.

 

[james.coff]

I'm not sure what happened to Shannan. I don't think anyone can look at the publicly available facts and give an authoritative answer. Anyone who wholeheartedly states that she was murdered or not murdered is basing their opinion on emotion, not evidence.

I think it was always very apparent that she wasn't a victim of the Gilgo Beach killer. Her line of work and her "kind of close, but not that close" proximity to the other victims made it somewhat plausible in the eyes of tabloid "journalists". However, to anyone who scratched beneath the surface, it quickly became obvious that she went missing under very different circumstances. To me, it never made sense, so I wasn't shocked to learn that the offender was some guy who had zero connections to Oak Beach.

I'm not sure what happened to Shannan. I don't think anyone can look at the publicly available facts and give an authoritative answer. Anyone who wholeheartedly states that she was murdered or not murdered is basing their opinion on emotion, not evidence....
I agree 100%.

The second paragraph contradicts the first tho, but I think you mean those are your opinions in SG being a victim, so I totally get it. Nothing would surprise me either way, we def don't have any info to be sure either way IMO

 

[Mr.Dandy]

I'm not sure what happened to Shannan. I don't think anyone can look at the publicly available facts and give an authoritative answer. Anyone who wholeheartedly states that she was murdered or not murdered is basing their opinion on emotion, not evidence.

I think it was always very apparent that she wasn't a victim of the Gilgo Beach killer. Her line of work and her "kind of close, but not that close" proximity to the other victims made it somewhat plausible in the eyes of tabloid "journalists". However, to anyone who scratched beneath the surface, it quickly became obvious that she went missing under very different circumstances. To me, it never made sense, so I wasn't shocked to learn that the offender was some guy who had zero connections to Oak Beach.

I agree with you. Her circumstances are so very bizarre. I definitely don’t think she drowned.