Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[janx]

Geevee: Forgive me for not including your pix and for not directly "quoting" your entry; I couldn't make it happen (thank you stupid me/computer/connection)

Anyhoo... This references WS entry 1716 and your comment: "I'd still like to know why, if these pics were taken all at the same time, there's something on the shower shelf in 5:24:30 that disappears 30 seconds later in 5:25:00"

I don't normally get into the "pix discussion," but allow me to call attention to the (apparent) "loofa" hanging from a shower rack in your 5:24:30 pix. You can see the (camera perspective) left edge of the same loofa at 5:25:00 (seen in far camera right). If that's what you're referencing, it didn't disappear.

Granted, the 5:25 pix does not show the "patch and void in the tile" which is visible at 5:24:30. Remember, however, we're looking at low-rez, BARELY recovered "not even fully there" images ... displayed, then captured off an in-court video projector by yet another still/video camera ... and produced/compressed/reproduced/recompressed ad nauseum.

Yes. It was lucky these pics were retrieved from the camera card at all; after that, enhancement caused strange light and distorted images. And all of that happened before the photos were shown in court.

If you have ever downloaded digital camera pics to a computer that were under or over exposed and then tried to correct the exposure--even with something simple like Windows photo software--you are aware of how strange and distorted things can appear after doing so.

So even the "original" photos that forensics people retrieved initially were altered drastically--not in terms of content, but in terms of light--and those are about as original as anyone could get.

 

[geevee]

In 30 seconds he could have removed the article for the shelf and put it in the hanger at the showerhead. Looks like it might be a razor. jmo

You can see the wire shelf pretty clearly in the second pic, doesn't look like anything that resembles a razor is lying arcoss either of its shelves. In the third (5:23:24 pic of the shower photos you can see most of that shelf, with nothing on it (although it's possible it could be out of the frame, but I doubt it the way it's off the egde in 5:24:30):

 

[LambChop]

You can see the wire shelf pretty clearly in the second pic, doesn't look like anything that resembles a razor is lying arcoss either of its shelves. In the third (5:23:24 pic of the shower photos you can see most of that shelf, with nothing on it (although it's possible it could be out of the frame, but I doubt it the way it's off the egde in 5:24:30):

I don't know. Maybe it was in his hand?

 

[geevee]

I don't know. Maybe it was in his hand?

Why would he take something off a shelf during a "photo shoot"? I really can't explain it either, other than it's not there, it's there, it's not there. I'm going to go batty until the pics are released. lol

 

[LambChop]

Why would he take something off a shelf during a "photo shoot"? I really can't explain it either, other than it's not there, it's there, it's not there. I'm going to go batty until the pics are released. lol

I don't know. Maybe because JA lies and it wasn't a photo shoot. It was his camera. Why would he be interested in nude pictures of himself?

 

[ElleElle]

Arrows pointing at the shelf:

Whatever it is, it doesn't seem puzzling to me.

These are pics of pics, the forensics people could of missed some pixels during extraction of the image? IDK.

 

[Shadowboy]

I KNOW I said I won't discuss the pix ... but I lied

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a624/geevees/shelf1_zps1ed167ec.jpg

Here's what I see: There is a "molly-bolt" with a bad-patch job and, below it, "repaired" tile grout, with a void.

 

[geevee]

I KNOW I said I won't discuss the pix ... but I lied

http://i1287.photobucket.com/albums/a624/geevees/shelf1_zps1ed167ec.jpg

Here's what I see: There is a "molly-bolt" with a bad-patch job and, below it, "repaired" tile grout, with a void.

LOL I try to tape my fingers together but it still doesn't help.

But you can't see the bolt in the pic 30 sec. later?

 

[Shadowboy]

LOL I try to tape my fingers together but it still doesn't help.

But you can't see the bolt in the pic 30 sec. later?

Nope. Can't see it. You're right. However: Logic says it's there. Mylogic says its disappearance is a result of rez/reproduction of poor quality images.

 

[geevee]

Nope. Can't see it. You're right. However: Logic says it's there. Mylogic says its disappearance is a result of rez/reproduction of poor quality images.

We're going to have rousing discussions when the real pics come out, I'm sure there's much we can't see in these hand-me-downs that'll be visible in the originals.

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM ~ If this account is true, why didn't the DT go for insanity plea? :facepalm:

Because in order to be insane , you cannot know the difference between right and wrong?

Perhaps that is the trick up Jodi's sleeve - appeal insanity.

I thought I heard she was trying to use the bi-polar claim in this new retrial? Also, Nurmi hinted to it when he said in closing arguments that what if Jodi had just "snapped."

Correct.. but a theory should not "be put to bed". :twocents:

We are not jurors, detectives, Medical Examiners (Dr. Horn - :loveyou. We are Websleuthers; and there is no right or wrong in this thread.

Some people in this community are medical examiners, detectives, and lawyers, and whereas the truth of what happened is concerned, there is a right and wrong. In areas where truth cannot be discovered, then there is no right and wrong.

The case and the facts of the case are not fiction, and they happened a certain way. Anyone interested in solving the puzzle doesn't do themselves or the community any favors by insisting upon theories that can't be disproven.

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM ~ I think outside the box. Perhaps Jodi was performing a "Law of Chastity", and slit herself. Just sayin'

What injuries did Ryan Burns see on her? Bandaged fingers? How about bandaged wrists? :scared:

Jodi = Wicca Mormon?

We have no reports or indications that Jodi had cuts on her wrists. Leslie's husband is the one who reportedly saw the cuts on the fingers at dinner, according to cross examination, though Burns did vaguely discuss it. The only time we heard of Jodi cutting her wrists was when JM said, "Can you IMAGINE how bad it must have hurt when you stabbed Travis Alexander..." (Paraphrased). She presented her hands to Flores, only noting her cut fingers.

I'm guessing if her wrists had cuts to produce that big of a blood drop, someone would have seen cuts on her wrists, even during fingerprinting, and she would have used that in her story to make herself look as if she had remorse for being forced to kill Travis.

I don't know what this "Law of Chastity" is that she'd perform that would cause her to stand there and slit her wrist, but they have not reported that they found Jodi's blood anywhere else but on that palm print. I would think a huge drop like that, they would have tested, but there was a lot of blood, so who knows if they did.

I also don't know what a Wicca Mormon is.

Thanks for the pic. Now that I see the shower door open; it is possible Travis took a "quick" shower with the door open after Jodi "left" to Utah.

Remember: The time from first pic to dragging pic is 11 minutes; technically a cigarette on my deck.

If you are asking me if I think it's possible, the answer is no, I do not think it's possible. I see no reason for a person to get in the shower with the door open in a regular course of showering.

When I smoke, I take about 3 minutes.

 

[wasnt_me]

You can see the wire shelf pretty clearly in the second pic, doesn't look like anything that resembles a razor is lying arcoss either of its shelves. In the third (5:23:24 pic of the shower photos you can see most of that shelf, with nothing on it (although it's possible it could be out of the frame, but I doubt it the way it's off the egde in 5:24:30):

To me, this picture appears to be cutting off right before the point where this thing Geevee is intrigued by sets. In looking at it, my first thought is a white tube with a black top. See how you're getting more of a view of that corner in the photo below than the one above?

 

[LambChop]

Since JA has been convicted I wonder what the State will be able to use this time in regards to her motivation for killing Travis? I'm hoping JM can use more than he did at the trial since he was caught off guard a couple of times by defense not giving the State enough notice with some of their evidence.

 

[wasnt_me]

I'm looking back at Paul Stern's interview, and I'm terribly confused.

I think Paul Stern is talking to Dr. Drew about something that happened in the summer of 2007, not in 2008 as they are saying on the show.

The way Paul Stern sets it up is by saying that he lived in Big Sur, Jodi was working at the Ventana Inn. He said he'd see her at a restaurant on the computer. He says the day before she left, she was frantic to go see Travis because he was seeing other girls and cheating on her.

What this sounds like to me is when she said she was working in Big Sur with Matt in the summer of 2007 and she learned that Travis had cheated on her. I recall her testifying that Travis had helped pay for her move to AZ, but I think Paul Stern paid for that, according to this interview.

The reason I think they're wrong about the 2008 year, is that, first of all, Jodi didn't work at Ventana in 2008. The ONLY time she worked there and knew Travis at the same time was in the summer of 2007.

Secondly, Jodi was working at the Purple Plum or Casa Ramos in June 2008. Paul doesn't explain that any time went by from last seeing Jodi when she'd actually worked in Big Sur to suddenly seeing her again in 2008. He makes it sound like it's a continuous story and time frame.

Thirdly, the story of having to "rush" to get to the cheating Travis makes no sense to happen in June 2008. She premeditated this crime. There's no rush to suddenly get to Travis as there was when she moved in 2007 to AZ. There was no cheating Travis in June 2008 because the two had broken up already. It just doesn't even sound right that she'd go to anyone in a tissy about that because she's known by June 2008 that he's been with several different women--and while she was in his state. In fact, that's why she left his state.

4thly, he says this money exchange happened "the day before she left," which had to be June 2nd. How would he know if it was "the day before she left" unless a day passed while she was there? We know that she was not in the Big Sur area on June 2nd. If it had been with him the night of June 2nd, he'd more likely say the "night before she left," wouldn't he?

5thly, why in the world would she say anything to this man about going to see Travis if her entire goal was to go to Mesa undetected? Why get money from this man when there was Matt and Darryl and Gus along the way?

Someone listen to this again please and help me out. Thanks. Again, I know he says 2008, but I really, honestly believe he means 2007 when Jodi was preparing to move to AZ.

[video=youtube;sLUizc-cklg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLUizc-cklg[/video]

 

[wasnt_me]

By the way, Travis looks shaved ALL OVER in this video. But I don't know if it's part of his character he's playing.

[video=youtube;Fritbqe8Vkg]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fritbqe8Vkg[/video]

 

[Truth Detector]

By the way, Travis looks shaved ALL OVER in this video. But I don't know if it's part of his character he's playing.

Jodi Arias' Video Of Travis Alexander - YouTube

Notice also that the "jodiannarias" youtube account referenced in the video you cite was created the day after Grandpa's gun was stolen.

Here's the screen cap:

 

[Tiger09]

I somehow think the you tube posting, accessing Travis's lap top, and the memory card are connected.

 

[ElleElle]

I thought I heard she was trying to use the bi-polar claim in this new retrial? Also, Nurmi hinted to it when he said in closing arguments that what if Jodi had just "snapped."



Some people in this community are medical examiners, detectives, and lawyers, and whereas the truth of what happened is concerned, there is a right and wrong. In areas where truth cannot be discovered, then there is no right and wrong.

The case and the facts of the case are not fiction, and they happened a certain way. Anyone interested in solving the puzzle doesn't do themselves or the community any favors by insisting upon theories that can't be disproven.

BBM ~ That particular issue is pure speculation. It has not been proven or disproven.
That is why the thread is called: "Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions".

Most of the "unresolved" questions are from the time Jodi arrived and left Mesa the day of Jun4, except for the forensic evidence at the scene. :moo:

 

[ElleElle]

Since JA has been convicted I wonder what the State will be able to use this time in regards to her motivation for killing Travis? I'm hoping JM can use more than he did at the trial since he was caught off guard a couple of times by defense not giving the State enough notice with some of their evidence.

I think they will try to disprove "especially cruel". Which how can not one person believe this was not "especially cruel".

This qualifies as DP. The DT will have a heck of a time proving to the new jury (if there is one); that this crime was not "especially cruel". :twocents: