Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[wasnt_me]

I don't know if anyone has addressed this before but...

Travis probably never had any intention of going to Yreka (or the NW) after JA finally left Mesa to live there. She kept bringing it up, and in one recorded phone call, Travis all but ignored her when she mentioned it.

How many references were there to the trip she wanted him to take? She even mentioned it when she left him that voice mail message after his death!

When she asked him if he was coming there, he said, "That's the plan."

 

[ElleElle]

I think she had to wait until he took a shower. It's the only place she would have an advantage because he was totally boxed in. jmo

This is true. However, if she wanted him dead and was using the "ninja" story, why could of he not been shot then robbed? That would seem more plausible.

I think things were going to be all good and Jodi was going to convince him to take her back.

He probably said something like: "Bye Jodi, i'm going to have a shower".

Jodi then left, went to the car, grabbed the weapons and proceeded to Plan B.

 

[ElleElle]

I have sleep mode. I don't use it, so I don't know what it does.

Sleep mode just means the laptop is still powered on, except the screen and hard drives are not doing any activity, such as being connected to the internet.

Mine goes to sleep mode when I close the lid on my macbook.

 

[ElleElle]

When she asked him if he was coming there, he said, "That's the plan."

Yes, so Travis had Jodi believing they were going to hook-up. He was dodging her questions in her stupid girly voice that drives me sooooo insane. :tantrum:

 

[wasnt_me]

Two things here.

I am not 100% confident Enrique has his dates right.

Secondly, Jodi could have crashed in some campground or RV park in AZ. She was a charmer, and some guy (Gus) would of let her stay if need be.

I don't recall Enrique being inconsistent on where he spent his nights, and that's all that mattered in my OP. I can read it again of course to see if he said he was somewhere else on any nights, but IIRC, it was what days he actually saw Travis that were confusing, not where he slept.

For the second, anything is possible, including her actually being at Travis as the 4am evidence corroborates.

 

[ElleElle]

Ok, so i'm reading Jodi' diary entry from January 24 2008.

http://jodi-arias.wikispaces.com/Jodi's+diary+Jan+24

This has me puzzled... " No, I was devastated when I discovered that he wasn't being faithful to me."

How can Travis be unfaithful when he's not in a relationship with her?

Who is referring to this supposed unfaithfulness? Lisa?

 

[wasnt_me]

Yes, so Travis had Jodi believing they were going to hook-up. He was dodging her questions in her stupid girly voice that drives me sooooo insane. :tantrum:

They talked about him going there and seeing Carter Lake, about him then going to visit friends in Washington after that. She said she wanted to travel with him, but she didn't have the money. He was notably silent when she said that.

After whatever "incriminating" happened on May 25-26th, I'm sure there was no way he was going to visit her, and she knew it. One of his friends called the Im's and texts from those days the "final goodbye," as he believed, anyways. Not sure Travis termed it to him that way, but he was the friend that had asked, "Aren't you afraid she's going to hurt you?" after Travis showed him the information.

 

[ElleElle]

This is a good page also.

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-journal-entries-2/

I wonder if Jodi threatened to tell Mimi that she and Travis were still in a "friends with benefits" situation? It seems like Travis had Mimi pegged as his future wife.

 

[wasnt_me]

So I have a new thought about the check Jodi wrote Travis.

I think both of them might have been part of setting up her alibi. I'm not sure she actually gave Travis the check. But since it's dated May 25, 2008, and she kept asking about it, I think she was trying to use it as proof that she hadn't been there, but she'd mailed it and had been waiting and waiting for it to be cashed. ETA, what's the second check beneath it? Appears to have same routing number?

http://i2.cdn.turner.com/dr/hln/www...allery_780x583/2013/01/04/check_1_-_qp1_0.jpg

People say it was her way in the house, saying she'd swung by to drop it off, and that could be true; however, writing May 25 on there gives the impression that the check had just been sitting in his drawer. Writing payment for April and May on there implies that she was paying her debts, too, so no motive to want Travis dead.

Maybe the "incriminating" thing was that Travis found out from Uhaul and his lawyer that she'd torn up the BMW herself. Or at least they'd implied it to Travis. And on top of that, you have two months of her apparently not paying him, which all could be "scamming" him.

I just really want to know what he insisted that she record on his voice mail that night.

 

[wasnt_me]

This is a good page also.

http://kristinarandle.com/blog/jodi-arias-journal-entries-2/

I wonder if Jodi threatened to tell Mimi that she and Travis were still in a "friends with benefits" situation? It seems like Travis had Mimi pegged as his future wife.

I'd like to compare the handwriting of May 22 to the handwriting of journals after the killing versus journal entries a year prior. I'm betting she wrote May 22 after the killing.

 

[pocketaccent]

The crime scene picture of Prius doesn't seem to have a permanent license plate yet. I would love to know when Travis purchased that car.

Jodi throughout trial seemed to downplay the BMW issue. She claimed Travis bought the Prius then tried to pawn off BMW to her before she left Mesa. She also said her car was better than his, Bmw had at least 3 major issues, She no longer could afford payment on Infiniti, Travis gave a good deal & terms on BMW, etc.

I believe Travis was really upset about his BMW being destroyed and having to purchase a new car. Who wouldn't be?
I have always believed that the "scamming" was related to the BMW issue. I personally wouldn't use that word for someone snooping around my emails or invading my privacy. I would use that word for something related to my finance or property.

The May 26 exchanges show there were two things going on.
I think one regarding BMW, one regarding her snooping and invading his privacy.
Jodi possibly could have done something 'incriminating' to claim the BMW was hers already. Maybe she took the ownership paper(when she came back and stayed for two days after leaving Mesa the first time) and forged his signature and submitted to DMV. Around May 26, Travis finds that out.

 

[pocketaccent]

The one thing that's most unresolved for me is WHAT prompted the May 26th texts!! Whatever it was I firmly believe set the wheels in motion for what happened. I don't believe TA would have conducted himself as he did in those texts with out something or SOMEONE provoking him to such anger.

Whatever happened CKJA couldn't handle his reaction rejection or repulsion for her.

Maybe one day there will be more information that surfaces that answers that question was it...
Did she funnel money from his bank account?
Did she claim pregnant to try and guilt him into marriage when it didn't work miscarriage to cover her lie?

I just wished we could have seen the initial text volley that day I still think texts were omitted in evidence due to prejudice of possible other crime.. idk?

Agreed 100 %. Prejudice or possible other crime.

 

[east2west]

I've often wondered where the camera was when it snapped those photos of her pant leg, the dragging of his body, and several other inadvertent floor level snapshots: attached to a neck strap and swinging wildly from her neck/shoulder/arm? or was there no strap attached and the camera fell to the floor and moved about Both the bathroom and hallway from being kicked about during the attack.

I think it was mentioned on the stand that the camera strap to his camera was still in the box. I've wondered along with other accessories she brought that day (gun, knife), could she have brought her own camera/neck strap and used Her strap for the shower photo shoot.That camera seemed to have followed them throughout the attack.

 

[TDoc72]

re: the scamming/leaving some message on his voice mail

I don't think we'll ever know what made him so angry. Chris & Sky have said they looked through everything and couldn't find an answer.

 

[ElleElle]

Agreed 100 %. Prejudice or possible other crime.

What could that be?? :scared:

I don't remember that part!

 

[ElleElle]

I've often wondered where the camera was when it snapped those photos of her pant leg, the dragging of his body, and several other inadvertent floor level snapshots: attached to a neck strap and swinging wildly from her neck/shoulder/arm? or was there no strap attached and the camera fell to the floor and moved about Both the bathroom and hallway from being kicked about during the attack.

I think it was mentioned on the stand that the camera strap to his camera was still in the box. I've wondered along with other accessories she brought that day (gun, knife), could she have brought her own camera/neck strap and used Her strap for the shower photo shoot.That camera seemed to have followed them throughout the attack.

I wonder also if she did in fact sneak back, why did she take Travis' camera to take the shower pics?

Was she trying to upload them after she killed him? And when that didn't work, she tossed it in the washer?

And, yes, I believe the camera got tossed around in the struggle on the wet, bloody, tile floor.

 

[MrsPC]

Arias attorneys file motion to dismiss death again

http://www.superiorcourt.maricopa.g...rtCases/caseInfo.asp?caseNumber=CR2008-031021

1/17/2014 MTD - Motion To Dismiss - Party (001) 1/17/2014
NOTE: MOTION TO DISMISS DEATH; CRUEL AND UNUSUAL PUNISHMENT

 

[Observer in AZ]

What could that be?? :scared:

I don't remember that part!

I haven't went back reviewed evidence or testimoany (my joke to 18 days on stage I mean stand) again but if my memory is correct couple things come to mind:

1) The fishy deal with BMW & how it was ruined
2) I believe there was some questions about CKJA accessing TA bank account without obvious permission
3) There was also some hinky check writing & exchanges from CKJA & TA bank accounts I'm not so sure TA was willing participant or aware of the apparent 'kiting' scheme she was orchestrating.
4)Re: Kiting scheme remember when CKJA on cross JM kept asking her about which account did she move money & would continually question different accounts even circling back to bank accounts few times.

I think there was something to the kiting scheme that may not have been allowed to be introduced to case unless CKJA slipped up & said something to allow JM to bring it in. I say this because if I remember correctly she had some kind of bad check writing issue in her past AND wasn't there another prosecution witness from a financial institution that did NOT testify? Only the Wal-Mart fraud team member testified..

My gut feeling tells me there was some check writing musical chairs going on and unfortunately when the music stopped TA didn't have a chair and was saddled with the burden.

Now you top that with the potential reason he bought Prius due to BMW ruined and car payment he wasn't expecting with any number of BS head games CKJA was throwing at him from trying to get back together, invading his personal accounts, leaving lil nasty notes to gals in TA's life and potentially playing the proverbial Crazy Chick Trump combination card pregnancy/miscarriage/abortion possible blackmail..

Idk? Still think there was prejudice or other crime in play.. Also this would explain for as low as he has been for other low life clients that KN has such a dislike and no tolerance for CKJA.. maybe??

 

[Truth Detector]

I haven't went back reviewed evidence or testimoany (my joke to 18 days on stage I mean stand) again but if my memory is correct couple things come to mind:

1) The fishy deal with BMW & how it was ruined
2) I believe there was some questions about CKJA accessing TA bank account without obvious permission
3) There was also some hinky check writing & exchanges from CKJA & TA bank accounts I'm not so sure TA was willing participant or aware of the apparent 'kiting' scheme she was orchestrating.
4)Re: Kiting scheme remember when CKJA on cross JM kept asking her about which account did she move money & would continually question different accounts even circling back to bank accounts few times.

I think there was something to the kiting scheme that may not have been allowed to be introduced to case unless CKJA slipped up & said something to allow JM to bring it in. I say this because if I remember correctly she had some kind of bad check writing issue in her past AND wasn't there another prosecution witness from a financial institution that did NOT testify? Only the Wal-Mart fraud team member testified..

My gut feeling tells me there was some check writing musical chairs going on and unfortunately when the music stopped TA didn't have a chair and was saddled with the burden.

Now you top that with the potential reason he bought Prius due to BMW ruined and car payment he wasn't expecting with any number of BS head games CKJA was throwing at him from trying to get back together, invading his personal accounts, leaving lil nasty notes to gals in TA's life and potentially playing the proverbial Crazy Chick Trump combination card pregnancy/miscarriage/abortion possible blackmail..

Idk? Still think there was prejudice or other crime in play.. Also this would explain for as low as he has been for other low life clients that KN has such a dislike and no tolerance for CKJA.. maybe??

Talk about the height of hypocrisy, I'll never forget the content of the email Lisa Andrews Daidone received:

“You are a shameful . Your Heavenly Father must be deeply ashamed of the whoredoms you’ve committed with that insidious man. If you let him stay in your bed one more time or even sleep under the same roof as him, you will be giving the appearance of evil. You are driving away the Holy Ghost, and you are wasting your time. You are also compromising your salvation and breaking your baptismal covenants. Of all the commandments to break, committing acts of whoredom is one of the most displeasing in the eyes of God. Think about your future husband, and how you disrespect not only yourself, but him, as well as the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ. Is that what you want for yourself? Your future, your salvation, and your posterity is resting on your choices and actions. You are a daughter of God, and you have been a shameful example. Be thou clean, sin no more. Heavenly Father loves you and wants you to make the right choices. I know you are strong enough to choose the right. Your Father in Heaven is pulling for you. Don’t ignore the promptings you receive, because they are vital to your spiritual well-being.”

More like, "Don't ignore the promptings you receive, because I'm a jealous psychopath with a knife and a gun and I'm not afraid to use them."

 

[wasnt_me]

The crime scene picture of Prius doesn't seem to have a permanent license plate yet. I would love to know when Travis purchased that car.

Jodi throughout trial seemed to downplay the BMW issue. She claimed Travis bought the Prius then tried to pawn off BMW to her before she left Mesa. She also said her car was better than his, Bmw had at least 3 major issues, She no longer could afford payment on Infiniti, Travis gave a good deal & terms on BMW, etc.

I believe Travis was really upset about his BMW being destroyed and having to purchase a new car. Who wouldn't be?
I have always believed that the "scamming" was related to the BMW issue. I personally wouldn't use that word for someone snooping around my emails or invading my privacy. I would use that word for something related to my finance or property.

The May 26 exchanges show there were two things going on.
I think one regarding BMW, one regarding her snooping and invading his privacy.
Jodi possibly could have done something 'incriminating' to claim the BMW was hers already. Maybe she took the ownership paper(when she came back and stayed for two days after leaving Mesa the first time) and forged his signature and submitted to DMV. Around May 26, Travis finds that out.

That's an interesting thought. I watched the O2 show and one of his friends commented that he was doing well for himself and citing that he had a BMW.

My first thought was what you said above--that Jodi claimed it was crappy. But why in the world would his friend say he was doing well if he had an older BMW? Additionally, why in the world would he be selling it to her on easy terms if it had been an expensive newer BMW?

Do we know anything about this BMW? Because from what you wrote above, I had a thought that maybe that BMW wasn't even "destroyed" or that bad off as she'd tried to tell him it was. Maybe that was the "Scam." Maybe she did something incriminating to make the BMW seem worse off than it was?

I mean, the ruination supposedly happened with the Uhaul truck, so if she had it on the truck. Travis was apparently letting her buy it. So maybe she tried to make there be damage to it to get him to lower the payments? I don't get the whole BMW thing.

Still want know why there's two of her checks in his drawer.