Post Verdict -Working Out The Unresolved Questions

[wasnt_me]

re: the scamming/leaving some message on his voice mail

I don't think we'll ever know what made him so angry. Chris & Sky have said they looked through everything and couldn't find an answer.

I'm sorry, but I don't believe them when they say that.

 

[ElleElle]

I haven't went back reviewed evidence or testimoany (my joke to 18 days on stage I mean stand) again but if my memory is correct couple things come to mind:

1) The fishy deal with BMW & how it was ruined
2) I believe there was some questions about CKJA accessing TA bank account without obvious permission
3) There was also some hinky check writing & exchanges from CKJA & TA bank accounts I'm not so sure TA was willing participant or aware of the apparent 'kiting' scheme she was orchestrating.
4)Re: Kiting scheme remember when CKJA on cross JM kept asking her about which account did she move money & would continually question different accounts even circling back to bank accounts few times.

I think there was something to the kiting scheme that may not have been allowed to be introduced to case unless CKJA slipped up & said something to allow JM to bring it in. I say this because if I remember correctly she had some kind of bad check writing issue in her past AND wasn't there another prosecution witness from a financial institution that did NOT testify? Only the Wal-Mart fraud team member testified..

My gut feeling tells me there was some check writing musical chairs going on and unfortunately when the music stopped TA didn't have a chair and was saddled with the burden.

Now you top that with the potential reason he bought Prius due to BMW ruined and car payment he wasn't expecting with any number of BS head games CKJA was throwing at him from trying to get back together, invading his personal accounts, leaving lil nasty notes to gals in TA's life and potentially playing the proverbial Crazy Chick Trump combination card pregnancy/miscarriage/abortion possible blackmail..

Idk? Still think there was prejudice or other crime in play.. Also this would explain for as low as he has been for other low life clients that KN has such a dislike and no tolerance for CKJA.. maybe??

BBM ~ :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh: :floorlaugh:

Love this post! :loveyou:

Travis had control over the BMW. If Jodi does not have the BMW, then she has lost control. Once she lost control, she had to gain it back. There was only was one way out. Travis had her 100% figured on the May25/26 texts and Jodi planned her mission.

Step #1 - Steal grandparents gun.

Which to me, there is something about Daryl and knives when she visited him on her road trip. I wonder if she questioned Daryl/Gus/Matt if a 25 caliber gun will kill a person. Perhaps, that is when the knife back-up came into play, but in reality it became Plan A, not B. :moo:

 

[ElleElle]

I'm sorry, but I don't believe them when they say that.

They had no idea because Travis was just dealing with them on a business level, not personal.

I don't believe that Travis hung out or talked to them that much unless it was business related. :twocents:

 

[wasnt_me]

LambChop - I do totally believe she had "left" and Travis went for a shower to get ready for his conference call, and she snuck back in.

The shower photos IMO are not staged, they appear to be "spying" pics, zoomed in.

We seriously need to put to bed whether she was so-called spying while photographing. Take at a look at these 4 pictures and determine where she could take them from without Travis seeing her or knowing she was there.

Keep in mind that these photos show both corners of his shower with no obstructions, and there is no shower door or evidence of a shower door in these pictures.

What shower door in a small shower, where someone is moving, would NOT get water on it AT ALL? We see no water coming down glass in any of these photos. We see no steam on the shower glass. We see NO soap residue on the shower door of a bachelor who's maid moved a over month prior to the pictures.

For that matter, we see no soap in his hands, no soap suds. Travis is not taking a shower. It would be tremendously co-incidental for her to happen to sneak back in, timed precisely at the time his shower starts, and we know it starts in one of these pictures here because his hair isn't wet. See how spiked up it is in the last picture attached.

Of course there are all kinds of explanations that can be given, but for me, none overcome the fact that, with a body moving around behind a glass in about 3 square feet of space, there no water whatsoever on the glass. So that means the glass door was open. Then the possibility of him showering with the glass door open becomes very low, so you have to then believe it was open because he knew he was being photographed.

 

[ElleElle]

We seriously need to put to bed whether she was so-called spying while photographing. Take at a look at these 4 pictures and determine where she could take them from without Travis seeing her or knowing she was there.

Keep in mind that these photos show both corners of his shower with no obstructions, and there is no shower door or evidence of a shower door in these pictures.

What shower door in a small shower, where someone is moving, would NOT get water on it AT ALL? We see no water coming down glass in any of these photos. We see no steam on the shower glass. We see NO soap residue on the shower door of a bachelor who's maid moved a over month prior to the pictures.

For that matter, we see no soap in his hands, no soap suds. Travis is not taking a shower. It would be tremendously co-incidental for her to happen to sneak back in, timed precisely at the time his shower starts, and we know it starts in one of these pictures here because his hair isn't wet. See how spiked up it is in the last picture attached.

Of course there are all kinds of explanations that can be given, but for me, none overcome the fact that, with a body moving around behind a glass in about 3 square feet of space, there no water whatsoever on the glass. So that means the glass door was open. Then the possibility of him showering with the glass door open becomes very low, so you have to then believe it was open because he knew he was being photographed.

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BBM ~ Sorry, but I am entitled to my personal opinion and to me personally, I cannot see Travis allowing Jodi to take pics of his body so he can "show it off for Cancun". I just don't buy it.

Also, this pic appears to be taken from the outside of a the glass shower door. And, I believe this is the pic seconds before she attacks him. There is so much surprise and fear in his eyes. He had no idea she was standing in front of him, cornered in a shower stall.

There may not be any soap suds because it is so hot and he could've of taken many showers in the last 24 hours and was just "rinsing off". Not everyone uses soap every time they shower. Just' sayin'.

eace:

 

[ElleElle]

We seriously need to put to bed whether she was so-called spying while photographing. Take at a look at these 4 pictures and determine where she could take them from without Travis seeing her or knowing she was there.

Keep in mind that these photos show both corners of his shower with no obstructions, and there is no shower door or evidence of a shower door in these pictures.

What shower door in a small shower, where someone is moving, would NOT get water on it AT ALL? We see no water coming down glass in any of these photos. We see no steam on the shower glass. We see NO soap residue on the shower door of a bachelor who's maid moved a over month prior to the pictures.

For that matter, we see no soap in his hands, no soap suds. Travis is not taking a shower. It would be tremendously co-incidental for her to happen to sneak back in, timed precisely at the time his shower starts, and we know it starts in one of these pictures here because his hair isn't wet. See how spiked up it is in the last picture attached.

Of course there are all kinds of explanations that can be given, but for me, none overcome the fact that, with a body moving around behind a glass in about 3 square feet of space, there no water whatsoever on the glass. So that means the glass door was open. Then the possibility of him showering with the glass door open becomes very low, so you have to then believe it was open because he knew he was being photographed.

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These pics are also of poor quality which makes me believe she was quite far away and zooming in with the camera.

Just :moo:

 

[wasnt_me]

They had no idea because Travis was just dealing with them on a business level, not personal.

I don't believe that Travis hung out or talked to them that much unless it was business related. :twocents:

Travis confided in Sky and Chris a great deal, according to their interviews. They were very close to Travis, which is probably why Jodi got invited to their house to stay the night. Sky was very much into Travis' personal business, kind of like a big sister, from what I understand. That's the very reason Jodi showed up at the Hughes' house--uninvited--to plead her case to them, and that's what led to their email spat with Travis.

I don't know what would motivate two people, who only had a business relationship with him, to get his passwords and go through his email. But I do believe they found something. I further believe it's their fault that a lot of the emails probably couldn't be used in court because they compromised his email account as evidence by going through it. I believe the defense accused them of tampering with it, IIRC. That's probably why they couldn't testify or weren't called.

Additionally, if I have my facts right, the defense tried to insinuate that their child was the child Travis was fixated on. That understandably sent Sky and Chris into a tissy.

I am not saying they actually tampered with the email, but I would suspect that they were probably court-ordered not to discuss whatever they found in his email accounts. Think about what a WEALTH of information that was probably in his emails--considering how prolific Jodi is.

I can't imagine how he sent Jodi a "response to her dire conversation" on May 25-26th, but that response wasn't in his sent box. People say Jodi hacked in and deleted things. But people also say he changed his passwords as a result of her previous hacking. So if he had it out with her like this on May 25-26th and was telling people after that date that she hacked into his stuff, not changing his password would be asinine on Travis' part.

The Hughes say they got the password from his friend, who gave them his website password, and they figured out that the email had the same password. For the sake of the investigation, I really wish they hadn't done that, but they did.

And we have been discussing here in this thread how there was a failed log in attempt on his computer. So we don't know the likelihood that Jodi could get into his laptop at all.

Since Travis had demanded that Jodi record something on his voice mail in the May 25-16th fight, it's probably a sure bet that he didn't erase any emails because he seemed to be trying to log some evidence by asking for the recorded voice mail.

So what happened to the "dire conversation" response? If it's there, then there's no way the Hughes didn't see it. It was written only a week or so prior to his death. They claimed to go back through ALL the emails. So there's no way they didn't have an indepth understanding of what was going on. IIRC, they only discussed their own email with Travis when they have been interviewed. That has to be by design. It's no coincidence that they couldn't, in any interviews, speak to even one of the email exchanges between Travis and Jodi that we haven't already heard about.

 

[wasnt_me]

BBM ~ Sorry, but I am entitled to my personal opinion and to me personally, I cannot see Travis allowing Jodi to take pics of his body so he can "show it off for Cancun". I just don't buy it.

Also, this pic appears to be taken from the outside of a the glass shower door. And, I believe this is the pic seconds before she attacks him. There is so much surprise and fear in his eyes. He had no idea she was standing in front of him, cornered in a shower stall.

There may not be any soap suds because it is so hot and he could've of taken many showers in the last 24 hours and was just "rinsing off". Not everyone uses soap every time they shower. Just' sayin'.



eace:

That's not water on a shower door. That's water falling down from the shower head, hitting his face. See how the water droplets are suspended in midair. There's also a picture before this one, where he is looking at the cameraman.




In court, JM had JA answer whether the door was open. She said it was. It makes no sense for the door to be closed "seconds" before the attack because somebody's gotta open the door for the knifing to start. If she was opening that door, and I'm gonna doubt he'd still be sitting, and we'd see that in the first attack photo.



Do you see the flash in the photo above? How could he not have seen a flash while he was taking a shower? Do you see how the flash hits the tiles and not glass?

You're always entitled to your opinion, but it's really hard to get down to the facts of what happened if we hold onto opinions that evidence contradicts. I'd much rather be enlightened by something you know as fact or evidence of what you suspect so that can change what I think.

I personally, don't want to believe something about this case that's incorrect if I can help it.

 

[wasnt_me]

These pics are also of poor quality which makes me believe she was quite far away and zooming in with the camera.

Just :moo:

Or they are poor quality because they had been deleted, bleached, and water logged for a week but the police still managed to recover them. If you believe it, I just want to know where she was standing and how the shower door isn't in the pictures, and how he didn't see her flashes while he was showering.

 

[ElleElle]

Travis confided in Sky and Chris a great deal, according to their interviews. They were very close to Travis, which is probably why Jodi got invited to their house to stay the night. Sky was very much into Travis' personal business, kind of like a big sister, from what I understand. That's the very reason Jodi showed up at the Hughes' house--uninvited--to plead her case to them, and that's what led to their email spat with Travis.

I don't know what would motivate two people, who only had a business relationship with him, to get his passwords and go through his email. But I do believe they found something. I further believe it's their fault that a lot of the emails probably couldn't be used in court because they compromised his email account as evidence by going through it. I believe the defense accused them of tampering with it, IIRC. That's probably why they couldn't testify or weren't called.

Additionally, if I have my facts right, the defense tried to insinuate that their child was the child Travis was fixated on. That understandably sent Sky and Chris into a tissy.

I am not saying they actually tampered with the email, but I would suspect that they were probably court-ordered not to discuss whatever they found in his email accounts. Think about what a WEALTH of information that was probably in his emails--considering how prolific Jodi is.

I can't imagine how he sent Jodi a "response to her dire conversation" on May 25-26th, but that response wasn't in his sent box. People say Jodi hacked in and deleted things. But people also say he changed his passwords as a result of her previous hacking. So if he had it out with her like this on May 25-26th and was telling people after that date that she hacked into his stuff, not changing his password would be asinine on Travis' part.

The Hughes say they got the password from his friend, who gave them his website password, and they figured out that the email had the same password. For the sake of the investigation, I really wish they hadn't done that, but they did.

And we have been discussing here in this thread how there was a failed log in attempt on his computer. So we don't know the likelihood that Jodi could get into his laptop at all.

Since Travis had demanded that Jodi record something on his voice mail in the May 25-16th fight, it's probably a sure bet that he didn't erase any emails because he seemed to be trying to log some evidence by asking for the recorded voice mail.

So what happened to the "dire conversation" response? If it's there, then there's no way the Hughes didn't see it. It was written only a week or so prior to his death. They claimed to go back through ALL the emails. So there's no way they didn't have an indepth understanding of what was going on. IIRC, they only discussed their own email with Travis when they have been interviewed. That has to be by design. It's no coincidence that they couldn't, in any interviews, speak to even one of the email exchanges between Travis and Jodi that we haven't already heard about.

I am just not sure how much they were in contact with Travis after they moved to Utah. Because we know they figured Jodi out way before Travis could be convinced of her lack of soul.

The Hughes' could of had Travis' access because they helped him set up accounts Chris was a "father-figure" type to Travis. If that's the case, I don't think they believed Travis and Jodi were engaging in a "dirty little secret" until his murder.

Chris didn't seem too concerned when he got the text that Travis was dead, did he now?

Something about the Hughes' doesn't sit right with me, and they know something we don't. :moo:

 

[ElleElle]

Or they are poor quality because they had been deleted, bleached, and water logged for a week but the police still managed to recover them. If you believe it, I just want to know where she was standing and how the shower door isn't in the pictures, and how he didn't see her flashes while he was showering.

Fair enough. I need to find a layout of the bathroom.

The flash could have been off as the pics are not too bright. Also, his eyes are closed in most of the shower pics expect for the one timestamped 5:29PM and later, and then until the camera somehow hit the floor and took the ceiling pic, again with no flash.

 

[wasnt_me]

Here's the first attack photo.



The shower door is open. How did it get open if it wasn't open all along? How compliant would Travis be on one side of the glass and Jodi's only got a knife on the other side? That he can see, anyways.

If there's a handle on both sides of that door, and all Jodi had was a knife, I'm thinking he'd grab that handle, and they'd be battling over who'd have control of that door until it broke. That's just how I'd imagine it. Even if there wasn't a handle, because he could hold and pull on the top frame to keep it closed.

The only scenario I can see him literally sitting for while she opened the door is if she had the gun on him. But we know from the blood evidence on the short wall by the shower that he wasn't shot first. That one blood drop tells us he was hit for the first time right there at the shower, and we know that's not shot shot spatter, and we know that the right side of his head is not in line with that blood drop, so she had the knife, not the gun.

 

[ElleElle]

That's not water on a shower door. That's water falling down from the shower head, hitting his face. See how the water droplets are suspended in midair. There's also a picture before this one, where he is looking at the cameraman.


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In court, JM had JA answer whether the door was open. She said it was. It makes no sense for the door to be closed "seconds" before the attack because somebody's gotta open the door for the knifing to start. If she was opening that door, and I'm gonna doubt he'd still be sitting, and we'd see that in the first attack photo.

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Do you see the flash in the photo above? How could he not have seen a flash while he was taking a shower? Do you see how the flash hits the tiles and not glass?

You're always entitled to your opinion, but it's really hard to get down to the facts of what happened if we hold onto opinions that evidence contradicts. I'd much rather be enlightened by something you know as fact or evidence of what you suspect so that can change what I think.

I personally, don't want to believe something about this case that's incorrect if I can help it.

I understand, but these photos are actual print outs of the photos. It is very difficult to figure out the evidence without having the pics in our hands. I speculate and it's based on how I view things and what makes the most sense to me.

Some people believe they did not have sex on Jun4. Is there is any hard evidence of that? No. But, people are entitled to their opinions and not base it all on a few "experts".

At the end of the day, this debate does not change the fact that Jodi premeditated this murder, and we have not heard the true story from CMJA.

As I said, it does not seem like a Travis thing to do to allow Jodi to take shower pics of him. I think he just wanted sex and send her on her merry way.

Also, Jodi wanted to startle him. She knew at any second he would of noticed her, which I believe he did in the "WTH are you doing here" pic.

 

[ElleElle]

Here's the first attack photo.

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The shower door is open. How did it get open if it wasn't open all along? How compliant would Travis be on one side of the glass and Jodi's only got a knife on the other side? That he can see, anyways.

If there's a handle on both sides of that door, and all Jodi had was a knife, I'm thinking he'd grab that handle, and they'd be battling over who'd have control of that door until it broke. That's just how I'd imagine it. Even if there wasn't a handle, because he could hold and pull on the top frame to keep it closed.

The only scenario I can see him literally sitting for while she opened the door is if she had the gun on him. But we know from the blood evidence on the short wall by the shower that he wasn't shot first. That one blood drop tells us he was hit for the first time right there at the shower, and we know that's not shot shot spatter, and we know that the right side of his head is not in line with that blood drop, so she had the knife, not the gun.


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She could of been standing close to the shower door and shower was surprised to see her standing there. She probably giggled like a schoolgirl and Travis opened the shower door to see what was going on because she was still there with his camera in her hand?

I still believe she was wearing a black hoodie and sweat pants and the knife was not in her hand yet, but the gun in her hand in front of the hoodie pocket.

First, she pointed the gun to Travis (his own story); but he knocked both the gun and camera out of her hand, then she went for the knife. Then all hell broke loose :moo:

 

[wasnt_me]

I am just not sure how much they were in contact with Travis after they moved to Utah. Because we know they figured Jodi out way before Travis could be convinced of her lack of soul.

The Hughes' could of had Travis' access because they helped him set up accounts Chris was a "father-figure" type to Travis. If that's the case, I don't think they believed Travis and Jodi were engaging in a "dirty little secret" until his murder.

Chris didn't seem too concerned when I got the text that Travis was dead, did he now?

Something about the Hughes' doesn't site right with me, and they know something we don't. :moo:

Something about them doesn't sit right with me either, but I was under the impression that they were concerned when they learned he'd died. I'd have to go through those radio talk shows to get all that information again, though.

But, as I said in my response above, they stated that they called his webmaster, and they got the website password. They stated that they guessed it could be his email password and they were right in that guess.

Sky, in her interviews, made it sound like it got to the point where he was keeping it from her and Chris, and I suspect it was because they were so hard on him about it. I don't think Jodi was a "dirty little secret" from anyone but Chris, Sky and maybe Deanna--and this wasn't until after these three probably berated him about it too much.

This DLS (notice how close that is to LDS) business was a fabrication. Go back through what all his friends say and you'll notice that A LOT of frigging people knew about these two. Whether they knew all the sexual stuff, well, like JM said, who tells all their sexual business to each person they know?

Sky and Chris knew. They'd allowed the girl to have "her room" at their house.

Dan and his sister knew. Even went on trips with them.

Lisa knew. She'd seen Jodi over at Travis' house hanging on him even before she dated Travis.

Travis' friends saw them together at convention. She was the "blonde thing" in his lap while all his friends were around him and he was storytelling.

She was running around taking pictures in the background while he was dancing at some church event. His roommates knew about it.

I think if there was a time for her to become a DLS, it was after the tire slashing and people were warning him to leave that girl alone. He tried, but he couldn't. He was controlled by the sex.

I remember Jodi testifying that he'd dropped her off down the street while he picked up Naps so Deanna wouldn't know that he and Jodi had gone to the March 2008 PPL conference together. That makes sense--if it's true--because she'd vandalized his property. I'm sure Deanna would have lit her a new one if she'd seen her. She also testified that they had to explain to people why they were sitting together at that conference. Yeah, because people people knew of things she'd done.

Jodi was going crazy. Her mother said it. I gleaned from her mother's police interview that Matt had called her mom and told her to get Jodi some help, and that's how the idea of Jodi moving home came about. You can imagine that Jodi did kick her mom and send her mom back to Yreka if her mom was trying to force her to go back to Yreka. Anyway, I'm getting way off topic.

 

[wasnt_me]

I understand, but these photos are actual print outs of the photos. It is very difficult to figure out the evidence without having the pics in our hands. I speculate and it's based on how I view things and what makes the most sense to me.

Some people believe they did not have sex on Jun4. Is there is any hard evidence of that? No. But, people are entitled to their opinions and not base it all on a few "experts".

At the end of the day, this debate does not change the fact that Jodi premeditated this murder, and we have not heard the true story from CMJA.

As I said, it does not seem like a Travis thing to do to allow Jodi to take shower pics of him. I think he just wanted sex and send her on her merry way.

Also, Jodi wanted to startle him. She knew at any second he would of noticed her, which I believe he did in the "WTH are you doing here" pic.

With respect, some people believed the world was flat once. Whether people believe or don't believe they had sex that day, doesn't change the evidence. The problem arises when people have to change the evidence to fit their theory.

You believe he had a WTH look on his face because it's the first time he saw her taking pictures. But with a flash coming off those tiles and no evidence of a shower door between them, he already knew she was there. That same WTH picture, in my belief, could be when he first saw the weapon.

 

[wasnt_me]

She could of been standing close to the shower door and shower was surprised to see her standing there. She probably giggled like a schoolgirl and Travis opened the shower door to see what was going on because she was still there with his camera in her hand?

I still believe she was wearing a black hoodie and sweat pants and the knife was not in her hand yet, but the gun in her hand in front of the hoodie pocket.

First, she pointed the gun to Travis (his own story); but he knocked both the gun and camera out of her hand, then she went for the knife. Then all hell broke loose :moo:

You're beginning scenario could have happened, but it would have had to have happened before that first picture we see with the flash and open door, and it ends in the same result. He knows she there and the door is open in all the evidence that we see. There are other photos that they weren't able to save that could be door closed, but in these we see, the door is open and he knows she's there.

I've already shown you the blood drop outside the shower that doesn't give Jodi time to do anything if a gun is knocked out of her hands. And if a gun is knocked out of her hands, and Travis can fight, I couldn't imagine any way she could get a knife out.

 

[pocketaccent]

That's an interesting thought. I watched the O2 show and one of his friends commented that he was doing well for himself and citing that he had a BMW.

My first thought was what you said above--that Jodi claimed it was crappy. But why in the world would his friend say he was doing well if he had an older BMW? Additionally, why in the world would he be selling it to her on easy terms if it had been an expensive newer BMW?

Do we know anything about this BMW? Because from what you wrote above, I had a thought that maybe that BMW wasn't even "destroyed" or that bad off as she'd tried to tell him it was. Maybe that was the "Scam." Maybe she did something incriminating to make the BMW seem worse off than it was?

I mean, the ruination supposedly happened with the Uhaul truck, so if she had it on the truck. Travis was apparently letting her buy it. So maybe she tried to make there be damage to it to get him to lower the payments? I don't get the whole BMW thing.

Still want know why there's two of her checks in his drawer.

At the time of Jodi's arrest, the BMW was in a garage somewhere in Mesa. (interrogation) And Travis didn't know if he should junk it or repair it or what (I don't remember if Jodi said this in interrogation or trial but she said something like it).
So Travis was still the owner and was probably still paying for insurance for the car and whatever that garage was charging him for any storage fee, unless that garage is just a garage of friend's house.

So I always assumed Travis never sold the car to her, and the $200 payment is for the damages, not the car.
But if he did, how was she going to bring the BMW and Infiniti to Yreka?
She really destroys everything she touches, doesn't she?

 

[neesaki]

We seriously need to put to bed whether she was so-called spying while photographing. Take at a look at these 4 pictures and determine where she could take them from without Travis seeing her or knowing she was there.

Keep in mind that these photos show both corners of his shower with no obstructions, and there is no shower door or evidence of a shower door in these pictures.

What shower door in a small shower, where someone is moving, would NOT get water on it AT ALL? We see no water coming down glass in any of these photos. We see no steam on the shower glass. We see NO soap residue on the shower door of a bachelor who's maid moved a over month prior to the pictures.

For that matter, we see no soap in his hands, no soap suds. Travis is not taking a shower. It would be tremendously co-incidental for her to happen to sneak back in, timed precisely at the time his shower starts, and we know it starts in one of these pictures here because his hair isn't wet. See how spiked up it is in the last picture attached.

Of course there are all kinds of explanations that can be given, but for me, none overcome the fact that, with a body moving around behind a glass in about 3 square feet of space, there no water whatsoever on the glass. So that means the glass door was open. Then the possibility of him showering with the glass door open becomes very low, so you have to then believe it was open because he knew he was being photographed.

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I'm seeing something that appears to be light reflecting off of a glass door in at least two of the pics, or that's what it looks like to me. jmo

 

[LambChop]

I'm seeing something that appears to be light reflecting off of a glass door in at least two of the pics, or that's what it looks like to me. jmo

Yes I see it too. I also see water on Travis' back and arm in some of the pictures.