PR interview

[JMO8778]

If you notice though, every single picture that is shown to Patsy of something that belonged to JB...her Easter basket, her hairbows, her trophys, etc...Patsy doesn't break down. BUT, she "breaks down" and starts to "cry" when shown the picture of the red turtleneck, and the crown. Now, she is shown pictures of OTHER crowns and doesn't cry. If you read the interview...you will also notice that after Patsy starts to cry, the interviewer takes a break, BUT when they return from the break, no other mention of that picture of the crown and the turtleneck, is made. The interviewer starts asking her about something entirely different, about a Christmas card that she had received. IMO...her "breaking down" and "crying" was all just a ruse. I don't believe that she meant it all all....I really, REALLY believe that the red turtleneck had something to do with JB's murder...I believe that she was wearing it, when she was thrown onto the side of the tub, and that Patsy's theatrics (crying) was done so that the interview would stop. She didn't KNOW that it would stop, but she HOPED that it would...and her little ruse worked. WHY didn't the interviewer question her more about the crown and that turtleneck. WHY didn't he say, after they returned from the little break...."Now Patsy, before we took the break, I was showing you a picture of JB's red turtleneck and a crown, and you started to cry. Now, why is that? What is the significance? " BUT NOOOOOOO...he moves along to something else entirely. IMO...her crying spell, was nothing more than her trying to stall the questioning about that red turtleneck.

good point,just more polite interviewing instead of interrogating her about it.

 

[JMO8778]

One of the more frustrating things about reading the LE interviews with PR is that SO many breaks are taken just at the point where the interviewer is zeroing in on a specific topic. Then there is a break (usually called for by Team R) and then when questioning resumes, it's on another topic completely. They never come back to the original point.

And that's too bad, b/c I read she was chain-smoking during some of the breaks for some of the interviews,and so she was obv. anxious and very uptight...it's too bad they didn't push her..I think she could have been broken,I really do.

 

[JMO8778]

I have actually seen the whole picture, but I can't remember where, its been awhile back...it seems like someone posted it on FFJ. I will keep checking, and see if I can find it again. It's just a picture of Patsy with her holding JB's arm....it looked to me like she was trying to get her to stay still, or something. Almost like...maybe JB didn't want her picture taken, and was trying to move away...and Patsy, grabbed her arm and through gritted teeth, said "Hold still, you are going to have this picture taken with me whether you like it or not..." IMO Like I said, I will keep searching...it IS on the internet SOMEWHERE, unless it has been removed, which I doubt.

thx so much,I did another search and still couldn't find the full pic.

 

[JMO8778]

speaking of crowns...JAT here...could the indentations above the large,dark abrasion be from a crown? Any thoughts? It seems there is more than one and they get smaller,while going in a straight line.

http://www.acandyrose.com/jonbenetfacemarks.jpg

if you lighten the pic a bit, it shows up better.

 

[Ames]

thx so much,I did another search and still couldn't find the full pic.

I STILL haven't found it. I DID see it though...I promise. It IS on the internet, I promise. I posted a thread over at FFJ about it, to see if anyone over there could find it for me. I will let you know as soon as I dig it up. Like I said though...all it is , is a picture of Patsy grasping JB's arm..in a photo that was made on Christmas. She looks more like she is gripping it, though.

 

[DeeDee249]

The red turtleneck being wet does give some creedence to the bathtub scenario. Like being shaken violently and choked by someone grabbing the shirt by the neck, and wham! she slams into the tub.
The jewelry found on JBR to me always indicated she never went to bed. I'd never leave a necklace, especially, on a sleeping child, whether she was put to bed asleep or not, I'd remove the necklace. The bracelet/rings don't pose a danger, but I'd worry the bracelet would break if slept in.
Let's face it- she may have fallen asleep in the car, but she walked into the house- like BR said she did.

 

[JMO8778]

I STILL haven't found it. I DID see it though...I promise. It IS on the internet, I promise. I posted a thread over at FFJ about it, to see if anyone over there could find it for me. I will let you know as soon as I dig it up. Like I said though...all it is , is a picture of Patsy grasping JB's arm..in a photo that was made on Christmas. She looks more like she is gripping it, though.

thanks so much,since all I had ever seen of it were those where their arms weren't in the pic,I assumed that was all that was ever released of it.I wonder if that was made after all the presents were open?B/c I've always wondered about the doll that JB didn't like...JR says in DOI that it was 'no big deal' to Patsy,and that she just shrugged it off..but I have to wonder about that since it seems the video of Christmas morning 'disappeared'.Was Patsy possibly agitated over it in the picture?

 

[JMO8778]

The red turtleneck being wet does give some creedence to the bathtub scenario. Like being shaken violently and choked by someone grabbing the shirt by the neck, and wham! she slams into the tub.

it does sound like she could have been shaken around in the bathroom,possibly striking her head more than once,as someone else pointed out (sry,I can't remember all the letters,but it was B something).

The jewelry found on JBR to me always indicated she never went to bed. I'd never leave a necklace, especially, on a sleeping child, whether she was put to bed asleep or not, I'd remove the necklace. The bracelet/rings don't pose a danger, but I'd worry the bracelet would break if slept in.
Let's face it- she may have fallen asleep in the car, but she walked into the house- like BR said she did.

that's what I was thinking,too.was she wearing jewelry in the pics on Christmas morning?I'll have to go back and look.

 

[Solace]

The red turtleneck being wet does give some creedence to the bathtub scenario. Like being shaken violently and choked by someone grabbing the shirt by the neck, and wham! she slams into the tub.
The jewelry found on JBR to me always indicated she never went to bed. I'd never leave a necklace, especially, on a sleeping child, whether she was put to bed asleep or not, I'd remove the necklace. The bracelet/rings don't pose a danger, but I'd worry the bracelet would break if slept in.
Let's face it- she may have fallen asleep in the car, but she walked into the house- like BR said she did.

Where does it say the red turtleneck was wet??????

 

[Nehemiah]

Re: the turtleneck

In chapter 30 of ST's book:
"Later JonBenet awakened after wetting her bed, as indicated by the plastic sheets, the urine stains, the pull-up diaper package hanging halfway out of a cabinet, and the balled-up turtleneck found in the bathroom. I concluded that the little girl had worn the red turtleneck to bed, as her mother originally said, and that it was stripped off when it got wet."

Not sure if it were really wet when found, or if he were simply hypothesizing.

 

[Tober]

Not sure if it were really wet when found, or if he were simply hypothesizing.

I think for the turtleneck to be balled-up the way it was, it had to have been wet. If you try and ball-up a dry piece of clothing, it will come undone to a high degree and not keep its balled-up form. JonBenet was likely wearing it as Patsy initially said. Patsy then changed her story as she became aware of what investigators were gleaning from the evidence.

 

[UKGuy]

Re: the turtleneck

In chapter 30 of ST's book:
"Later JonBenet awakened after wetting her bed, as indicated by the plastic sheets, the urine stains, the pull-up diaper package hanging halfway out of a cabinet, and the balled-up turtleneck found in the bathroom. I concluded that the little girl had worn the red turtleneck to bed, as her mother originally said, and that it was stripped off when it got wet."

Not sure if it were really wet when found, or if he were simply hypothesizing.

Nehemiah,

He does not know since the sheets were dry, so he is speculating, but he only itemises information that allows him to corroborate his bedwetting theory, but leaves out other stuff, such as her soiled underwear, or that the black fibers were sourced to John's shirt, which was maybe a later development.

But I guess the red turtleneck played some part?


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[Nehemiah]

Nehemiah,

He does not know since the sheets were dry, so he is speculating, but he only itemises information that allows him to corroborate his bedwetting theory, but leaves out other stuff, such as her soiled underwear, or that the black fibers were sourced to John's shirt, which was maybe a later development.

But I guess the red turtleneck played some part?.

I agree.

Patsy did change her story about the turtleneck (per published interviews).

 

[JMO8778]

Nehemiah,

He does not know since the sheets were dry, so he is speculating, but he only itemises information that allows him to corroborate his bedwetting theory, but leaves out other stuff, such as her soiled underwear, or that the black fibers were sourced to John's shirt, which was maybe a later development.

But I guess the red turtleneck played some part?


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whatever happened,as noted per the investigation by Dr Spitz,she was strangled initially by a shirt collar.I believe the red one held the evidence of that,whether it was wet or not.I can't see them leaving the white one on her once she was strangled in it,and PR initially said she wore the red one to bed.
And in the drawing of her body,the white shirt doesn't appear to be bunched up at the collar.
Is it possible PR was having her change into the red one to sleep in,in prep for the early morning trip?Maybe something happened there,as her jewelry was not removed,and it doesn't seem she made it to bed.Possibly once again,she didn't want to wear the shirt?

 

[DeeDee249]

I also recall reading that the red turtleneck was seen soaking in a sink (the sink in the area just outside JBR's bedroom) in crime scene photos, and PR was questioned about it.

 

[JMO8778]

I think that was a red jumpsuit she said she washed some stains out of.I've always wondered if that played a part somehow.

 

[UKGuy]

whatever happened,as noted per the investigation by Dr Spitz,she was strangled initially by a shirt collar.I believe the red one held the evidence of that,whether it was wet or not.I can't see them leaving the white one on her once she was strangled in it,and PR initially said she wore the red one to bed.
And in the drawing of her body,the white shirt doesn't appear to be bunched up at the collar.
Is it possible PR was having her change into the red one to sleep in,in prep for the early morning trip?Maybe something happened there,as her jewelry was not removed,and it doesn't seem she made it to bed.Possibly once again,she didn't want to wear the shirt?

JMO8778,

JonBenet most likely never made it to bed, those lower neck abrasions on her neck are consistent with some kind of manual strangulation using a shirt collar to act as a ligature.

 

[UKGuy]

I agree.

Patsy did change her story about the turtleneck (per published interviews).

Nehemiah,

Yes maybe JonBenet was placed into bed wearing the turtleneck to hide her neck abrasions?


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[JMO8778]

JMO8778,

JonBenet most likely never made it to bed, those lower neck abrasions on her neck are consistent with some kind of manual strangulation using a shirt collar to act as a ligature.

I've also wondered if she could have been strangled with a scarf; the scarf issues were brought up earlier,and JR's gift to her in the casket was a scarf which PR said he "tucked it around JB as if surrounding her with a final blanket of love".
Do you think the red jumpsuit Patsy said she was washing stains out of that morning played some kind of role?I can't figure that one out,as to why she would bother to say she did that.

 

[UKGuy]

I've also wondered if she could have been strangled with a scarf; the scarf issues were brought up earlier,and JR's gift to her in the casket was a scarf which PR said he "tucked it around JB as if surrounding her with a final blanket of love".
Do you think the red jumpsuit Patsy said she was washing stains out of that morning played some kind of role?I can't figure that one out,as to why she would bother to say she did that.

JMO8778,

A scarf is a possibility, but why advertise it at her funeral?

Yes I reckon the red-jumpsuit played a role, it may have formed some prior staging, or acted as an excuse to wash something else out?

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