Prosecutors have new material and information that they dont want released to the pub

[Jolynna]

This is EXACTLY what I think it is about. IF that info were to come to light now, JB (if he in fact told DC to go find the body and call him, not LE) would be in deep doo. The entire case would go up in smoke, because a) KC would in essence be confessing to her crime and )b her attorney would be in cahoots to cover it up. MISTRIAL before the trial.

AND...the whole scenario about KC telling JB where the body was located, and somebody overhearing in the jail, and passing that info along to RK......it all fits.

I think that scenario would turn the whole case upside down and might be good news for KC's defense.

KC could tell JB where Caylee was and he'd be bound by attorney/client privilege to keep her secret. He couldn't tell anybody without KC's permission. However IF that conversation was overheard by a guard, repeated to RK and that is how RK found Caylee, KC's constitutional rights would have been violated. The defense could try to have all evidence found at the remain's site thrown out because of how it was found but it would have to be done without violating KC's right to privileged comminication with her lawyer. I don't think the public could ever know anything KC told Baez or DC while DC was Baez's agent.

imo

 

[logicalgirl]

I may not make it till trial. I wish someone down there would watch the movement of the players in this case. Like, how come no one has kept an eye on DC?

Cause he damned well disappeared that's why. We've been trying to track him since Christmas but.....

 

[JSR]

You know today is a day I would LOVE to be a fly on the wall in JB's office.

 

[logicalgirl]

And I agree with your addition of JB to this daisy chain.........it's that addition that really indicates why the defense would be excluded from the private meeting with JS. The chips are slowing falling into place.

I think he's in the daisy chain but I don't believe Casey would tell Cindy she killed Caylee, she'd want to keep some power back. I still think she told Baez, who needed someone other than himself to tell Dom to look, all the while Dom knew it was coming from him - via Cindy. In case it ever came out, Baez needed some wiggle room to deny deny deny.

Cindy would feel pretty full of herself if Baez told her a secret like that.

 

[JSR]

Hmmmmm.............ex parte usually means within 72 hours, at least it does here in California. So, we can expect this to come before JS very quickly, possibly by tomorrow, or at the latest, Monday.

The SA is requesting an ex parte hearing. Although you're right ex parte can also mean a hearing or motion to be heard quickly. And you're right in CA it typically is 72 hours. And in CA you must give 24 hours notice of said hearing. But in this case the ex parte hearing is referring to an in camera hearing without one of the parties in the case being present. Whenever you hold an ex parte communication you must notify all parties of this request before actually having the communication. If you don't, then it's a huge no no and can be grounds for appeal.

So we may not hear about what JS intends to do with this request for a while ... and it could be a very bumpy ride from now until then.

 

[trixi491]

The wording "materials and information" makes me think it's definitely some piece of evidence with an explanation behind it. For example, a witness comes forward with a bag of stuff KC dropped off at their house containing the duct tape, gloves, etc (very unlikely but an example).

I also don't think the reason that the SA wants to delay the defense from hearing about this is because they believe it would help their case (the defense's). IMO that's a little immature/insecure and from Day 1 the prosecution has been nothing but professional and fair. There were things that were included in the discovery that could have strengthened the defense's case (depending how you look at it) that they had no problem releasing.

 

[seekingjustice**]

I think he's in the daisy chain but I don't believe Casey would tell Cindy she killed Caylee, she'd want to keep some power back. I still think she told Baez, who needed someone other than himself to tell Dom to look, all the while Dom knew it was coming from him - via Cindy. In case it ever came out, Baez needed some wiggle room to deny deny deny.

Cindy would feel pretty full of herself if Baez told her a secret like that.

BBM..I also don't think she would tell Cindy. I wonder though if she drew some type of 'map' for JB of the places she thought 'zanny' may hide Caylee - KC does likes to give out cryptic clues.

 

[LolaMoon08]

I also think it has to do with Dominic Casey finally telling all he knows. I can only imagine the extremes that Cindy Anthony went to in order to protect her "mother of the year" daughter in an attempt to preserve the "perfect family" image she had deluded herself into believing.

I don't even know if I would want to know all the disturbing details of what this family has done or would do.

We know Cindy sent Dominic out there. Lee admitted that his mother knew Dominic Casey was out there looking for Caylee before her remains were found... even though Cindy lied about that in her deposition.

I don't even want to think about Cindy going as far as telling Dominic to make sure Caylee was never found. It makes my blood boil thinking about it. Sadly, I wouldn't put it past her or GA and LA.

 

[trixi491]

Also, the SA cares about what is right/fair when chosing what to release versus what is going to make their case look stronger. Remember, they had no objection to the Dec 11 video of KC being sealed when it most likely made her look guilty. They were more concerned with what releasing it would mean in the long run and how it would affect jury selection/the trial. So just because they want to delay the release does not mean it's not something beneficial to their case.

 

[Leila]

I think that scenario would turn the whole case upside down and might be good news for KC's defense.

KC could tell JB where Caylee was and he'd be bound by attorney/client privilege to keep her secret. He couldn't tell anybody without KC's permission. However IF that conversation was overheard by a guard, repeated to RK and that is how RK found Caylee, KC's constitutional rights would have been violated. The defense could try to have all evidence found at the remain's site thrown out because of how it was found but it would have to be done without violating KC's right to privileged comminication with her lawyer. I don't think the public could ever know anything KC told Baez or DC while DC was Baez's agent.

imo

At the time of DC's search of the woods off of Suburban, DC was no longer working for JB. That contract had expired and as of early October, DC was working for George and Cindy Anthony. So if the information on where Caylee's remains were located came from Casey to JB to CA to DC, that may be far enough removed from Casey or Casey's agent that it wouldn't be privileged information.

 

[LolaMoon08]

Another way to look...What about the Milsteads? Could they have jumped ship?

 

[LambChop]

Not yet...but I'm thinking I better!

He's always been Brad to me! LOL

I'm glad we cleared that up. I was beginning to think it meant Before Casey.:waitasec:

 

[Angel4u2Whisper2]

Last hearing with Casey present, Cindy whispered the words " I love you" to George in which it appears that he sighed heavy and didn't respond back to her. I wonder if George could have finally got tired of "living this lie" sort of speak and then spoke the truth as he knew it?:waitasec:

 

[Aedrys]

I definitely think it's DC. He is potentially the most explosive witness that could come forward. Who knows what he saw, heard, and did in the Anthony home and in trying to find Caylee's remains.

And when you think about it, he's been left out to dry. Baez hasn't paid him, I'm not sure the Anthony's ever did (correct me if I'm wrong here), and it seems like he's been pushed out of the Anthony inner circle as well as the defense inner circle. You'd think they'd learn after Padilla to keep their friends close and their enemies closer, but yet again, he's been left to deal with the SA leaning on him on one side while the other is telling him to shut his mouth all by himself as far as anyone knows (well, with only his lawyer for help).

I think he finally got tired of all this and decided to come clean. The A's definitely prey on people they can manipulate to do their dirty work and then discard them and defame them when they don't need them anymore or feel like they have been betrayed. I see where Casey herself gets that attitude from. It's why she won't have any character witnesses other than her mom, dad, and brother at the trial.

And I can see the SA wanting more time to verify what he says and what evidence he may have because even they know that the defense and the A's will want to tear DC to pieces and destroy what's left of his career. We already know the A's have no problem turning on anyone that they think they can point the finger at for Caylee's murder. I can see that as a definite reason to NOT have the defense there and NOT release this potential bombshell information.

Also, I agree with what was said earlier in that they might be deciding to go after CA and GA and possibly Lee for obstruction and maybe even disbar Baez (at least get him off the case, therefore possibly giving the 15 months time for a new lawyer to take the case) because of what testimony and evidence DC can possibly offer, and the SA would definitely want more time to investigate that.

I just don't think GA or Lee have the stones to go against CA, so I can't see it being them. I don't really think Mallory knows enough for it to be explosive information. I think the Milsteads just want to hide and get away from this whole thing. SA has known for a long while who the father is, and that doesn't really have much to do with the case anyway since he's never been in Caylee's life and may never have known he had a child in the first place. It could be FBI evidence, but they say it's "NEW" information, and they've known for awhile what the FBI has, at least most probably by phone. It could be someone totally new, but it's been what, a year and six, seven months since the murder?

Who could possibly come forward and offer anything more explosive now other than DC?

 

[kaRN]

Last hearing with Casey present, Cindy whispered the words " I love you" to George in which it appears that he sighed heavy and didn't respond back to her. I wonder if George could have finally got tired of "living this lie" sort of speak and then spoke the truth as he knew it?:waitasec:

Welcome Angel! I have a gut feeling George has fessed up. I think maybe something snapped at the fraud trial and he needed to come clean. I think the SA would protect George until he's on safer ground.

 

[chefmom]

At the time of DC's search of the woods off of Suburban, DC was no longer working for JB. That contract had expired and as of early October, DC was working for George and Cindy Anthony. So if the information on where Caylee's remains were located came from Casey to JB to CA to DC, that may be far enough removed from Casey or Casey's agent that it wouldn't be privileged information.

Also, doesn't A/C privilege go out the window as soon as either the attorney or the client involves a third party? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

 

[Tulessa]

Also, doesn't A/C privilege go out the window as soon as either the attorney or the client involves a third party? Anyone? Anyone? Bueller?

Is that air conditioned?

 

[logicalgirl]

At the time of DC's search of the woods off of Suburban, DC was no longer working for JB. That contract had expired and as of early October, DC was working for George and Cindy Anthony. So if the information on where Caylee's remains were located came from Casey to JB to CA to DC, that may be far enough removed from Casey or Casey's agent that it wouldn't be privileged information.

Exactly and that's why DC was looking for a soft landing.

 

[logicalgirl]

If this scenario has anything to do with Baez "mistruthenating" he may be feeling quite nauseous by now, but I'll bet good money Lyons is so mad she is literally whirring high above her desk.

 

[Kentjbkent]

I think that scenario would turn the whole case upside down and might be good news for KC's defense.

KC could tell JB where Caylee was and he'd be bound by attorney/client privilege to keep her secret. He couldn't tell anybody without KC's permission. However IF that conversation was overheard by a guard, repeated to RK and that is how RK found Caylee, KC's constitutional rights would have been violated. The defense could try to have all evidence found at the remain's site thrown out because of how it was found but it would have to be done without violating KC's right to privileged comminication with her lawyer. I don't think the public could ever know anything KC told Baez or DC while DC was Baez's agent.
imo

Just FYI....the agreement contract between Baez/KC was broken by mutual agreement in September, and DC then entered into an agreement as a contractual agent for CA/GA. By October, KC and Baez were out of the DC picture.

I just don't know if I can buy into the "KC told Baez, was overheard by guard, who then repeated it to Joe Shmoe Meter Reader aka RK, who then went and to retrieve remains, being the good citizen that he is." I just have to stretch too much...

The specifics and breaking of any agreement between DC and Baez/KC seems murky at best, based on previous inconsistent comments by both. They don't seem to be able to agree on when their agreement actually ended (refer back to all the motions concerning RK deposition), so I suspect that they were at least having conversations after September.

Makes more sense to me that DC and Baez were still having conversations (but misunderstanding exactly WHAT, if any, agreement they had at that point).......

DC obviously was having conversations with CA........

CA stated to LE that she "sent someone to check Suburban area who found nothing"

Much more logical that possibly KC dropped hints to CA through the "mystery letters", CA "decoded messages", sent DC out to look, Baez tells DC he wants to be notified before any contact with LE....