Prosecutors have new material and information that they dont want released to the pub

[AZlawyer]

My brain is fried tonight....Did we ever see DC's phone logs? At least the phone he was using the day he was searching in the woods?

We have a small portion of redacted phone records for DC and the psychic. These records do seem to corroborate DC's story:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records

If KC told JB where Caylee's remains were he would be bound by law to come forward with that information.

Well, I was pretty surprised too, but when I looked into this question some time back I concluded that, as long as JB didn't mess with the physical evidence (or ask anyone else to mess with the physical evidence) he would not be required to tell anyone where the remains were. He could even go out there and look at the remains (or ask someone else to go out there and look at the remains) as long as no one altered anything.
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Miscellaneous comments for which I couldn't easily find the quotes to snip:

1. A proposed scheduling order is, of course, not signed, because it is only proposed. The court paper asking that the order be signed by the judge was, of course, signed by the SA. A proposed order is also not a "motion," or a "proposed motion."

2. The SA explained that the reason they are saying no trial until May 2011 is because JB insists that he is going to depose absolutely every single witness on the State's witness list. The SA is saying, "OK fine, JB, if you want to play SuperLawyer all of a sudden, we're going to make sure the judge knows that you just caused a 1 1/2 year delay after spending the last 1 1/2 years twiddling your thumbs and hardly deposing anyone."

3. The judge did not ask that the defense provide their proof (regarding someone else disposing of the body) to him rather than to the prosecution. There would be no basis in the rules of procedure for anything like that. Also, an order to disclose a specific type of evidence by a date certain ordinarily would not be "cancelled" by a later order to confer regarding general case deadlines.

4. There is NO exception for "ongoing criminal investigation" material to be withheld from the defense in a criminal prosecution--OR from the public, once it is disclosed to the defense. That exception in the Sunshine Law is "trumped" by the disclosure rules. So this material could definitely be something that would constitute an "ongoing criminal investigation." The SA would have no right to hold that information back unless the judge approved it. The SA also has no right to hold information back until the final disclosure date.

 

[notthatsmart]

Remember this case is international. There have been many posters who have said that the area by the school (hidden oaks ele.) would be the place to seach if they could.

Just think for a moment of how many lookey-loos have done drive-by's of that area near the school and close to the remains sight. I think you have even mentioned there is a chance the school keeps video tape for an indefinate amount of time, so who ever has been down by the school or even driving down suburban and turning around in front of the school, that will be on tape? I hope so. And I hope that KC herself is on tape making that very turn after dumping Caylee (imo).

There were some folks called "Body finders" or "Body searchers" they had white dogs, black t-shirts and they were in a van. They did a drive-by on Suburban with a camara running, and their dogs apparently got sick right near the area that Caylee was eventually found. This was all on tape. We use to have a link to their site here, but can't find it anymore. Maybe someone else knows or remembers this incident and can shed more light.

But my point. There were other people out there searching other than TES searchers.

Thx.:crosseyed:

Yes I agree and thank you for reading my post and remembering what I have said. I agree that there were others. Many others that are just as important as Tes. A witness is a witness, does not have to be affiliated with Tes to be some form of an official. I have thought that it is possible that the school does have video camera's, but I talked to a person on another forum that takes her kids to school there and she says there are no camera's. So, I may be wrong about that. I did note that even on the google map it shows busses on suburban, and I am almost sure they would have video's on the buses.

At our school, homeland security act paid for all our camera's and equiptment. this ties into the topic, because this could also be the new information, however if the mods want me to remove this post, I will.

Yes I saw those body finders on NG or one of the shows. Do you remember when they were there? I find it very interesting. I would like to see that video again to see if they were spot on and to see what month that video was taken in. Moo

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Thank you sooo much!! That settles it for me, she says the Anthonys sent her the bear, she had been e mailing back and forth and she had spoken to him before. There is absolutely no chance, zero, that Cindy did not get the truth out of Casey on those nights home on bail that she slept alone in the room with her. Cindy knew where the baby was. This explains the difference in her reaction of shock and horror when LP was searching at Blanchard Park compared to not rushing to the scene of the woods once she and George departed the plane (having heard that remains were found near their home). Can you imagine Beth Holloway rushing to the scene if she received a phone call that possibly the remains of her daughter were found? Did the Anthonys even go to the scene? No. They went to the Ritz, had dinner and took walks. People tell on themselves.
It is a fact that detectives heard Cindy say that she had sent someone to the woods. There is no getting around that.
It is possible this gal was on the phone with Dom and also possible that it is Cindy who set it up.

Surely even Dom could see that there is no reason to imagine that these folks would treat him any differently than they had everyone else if it would suit their purpose. He saw first hand that they would go in to a discredit and destroy mode in two seconds flat if they set their sites on anyone that could deflect attention away from Casey, Amy, Jesse, the Grunds, Ricardo, Tony, Kronk. What is that saying of Dr. Phil's ...if they will do it with you ...they will do it to you. A lot of time has passed and emotion has faded. Infatuations are fleeting and enough time has passed that the fog of any unrequited romantic notion he may have had toward Cindy has lifted.

I think he may have taken a number of steps to cover his butt, just in case, he may have recorded and memorialized things, handed over his bat phones and everything else he had been gathering over this year and half.

Someone who has nothing to hide, hides nothing. The lengths he has gone to and the protracted fight he has put up to avoid testifying ( for a year ) indicate he has things that are damaging. That is a given. We know there is no love loss between he and Baez as he did not hesitate to make a bar complaint against him. It was apparent in the recent hearing when Baez did a double take to Andrea when Ms. Tennis told the judge that Dom would be perfectly willing to testify if the Anthonys would waive their confidentiality agreement terms, and that he had been communicating back and forth with the defense over time, apparent that Baez was shocked by that remark. The inference we can draw from Baez finding that so incredible was that no... Dom and the defense do not have a perpetual relationship, quite the opposite. So, he hasn't been silent to protect Casey. That leaves us with mom and pop. George has stated publicly ( in the ZFG depo) that he rarely ever speaks to Dom. That leaves us with Cindy. She hasn't divorced, as he may have imagined she would by now. So there he is as many have pointed out, unpaid and his reputation a joke in his industry, didn't get the girl.....

so reality has set in. The judge did tell the state to go ahead and use the time they had scheduled and exercise their right by statute to question him under an investigative subpoena, so I trust that did happen. He had no reason not to answer any questions, as I am sure the judge set him straight about real quickly. Remember the judge told Ms. Drane-Burdick to call him if there was a problem? Mr. Hornsby explained to us that the judge meant that literally, call during the depo and the judge will rule over the phone as to any objections. It may have been with a heavy heart, but in my opinion, Dominic did answer questions and supply any all items related to the case he has compiled, including the phones, his computer and anything else they asked for. Even hard core lifetime mafia members squeal when it comes down to the me or them question. The best he could do for Cindy, he did, which was delay the inevitable.

The fact that he suddenly closed up his office .....you just can't make this stuff up!

World,
You know my daisy chain project and my hunch that it is no coincidence that soooooooooooo many psychics and people were close to the scene prior to the big discovery by RK.
Part of what haunted me into that chart (still work in progress!) is remember the lyrics of the song on Casey's page before it was changed. The song was: EVERY DAY IS EXACTLY THE SAME Artist is Nine Inch Nails
This lyric snip is what has bothered me: "Well, I’ll hide it behind something
They won’t look behind" .............now, my point! I have always wondered if there was a note in that bear. Perhaps Cindy, Lee or someone, knew this was a cryptic message from KC and figured it out and thus included that in the bear sent to "the psychic!"

Now it is irony that for KC - EVERY DAY *IS* EXACTLY THE SAME NOW. I would say that KC was more psychic than G. Lucas!

 

[The World According]

The matter you speak of are legally filed Court motions between Baez and NeJame/TES. I do not see where LE would be involved.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2010/2/3/prosecutors_want_private_hearing_in_casey_case.html
snipped from article

A motion filed in late November accuses NeJame and EquuSearch of lying to the judge, saying “Statements made by TES to this court were inaccurate.”
In August 2009, Judge Stan Strickland ordered EquuSearch to turn over a list of 32 people, who were identified as having searched the area where Caylee's remains were eventually found.
However, the defense claims “There were many more than 32 individuals who searched the area on Suburban Drive near Hidden Oaks Elementary School.”
They back it up with two sworn statements from volunteers who said they searched in that area.
“I don't understand the basis of this,” NeJame said. “It’s incorrect. But if that's the way they want to play it, we'll play it out in court.”
He said his door was open for the defense to examine anything they wanted.“Come by. Take a look. If you see anything, let us know and we'll bring it to the court,” NeJame said.\"
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The Judge ordered TES to turn over the names of 32 people ..the Defense wants more...that's the issue here.IMO.
Back to court they go.
This NTS, will be played out in court not with LE as a go between.MOO

:twocents:

I agree with you! Mr. Nejame will make short order of this, I am trying to be nice and not say mop the floor with this, LOL!

If you watch the hearing over again a few things stand out
1. Mr. Nejame stated , a personal and professional courtesy to his former clients Mr. and Mrs. Anthony, Brad was allowed to review all of the TES documents. He reviewed them for days and he found even less than 32 people to have been in that exact area.

2. Mr. Nejame said the defense is welcome to come to his office and review the documents. Andrea agreed that of course the defense would be responsible for some reasonable fees regarding this. IF the defense were to find other searchers of interest it was agreed the matter would be taken to the judge and the judge would rule.

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Now, what has happened since then? Has the defense went to review the documents? If not, I pity them in front of the judge next hearing.

One of the two folks they were relying on to testify for them , Mr. Jordon ,was so very concerned about what was going on that he made a decision to tape record the last questioning of him done by the defense lawyer and or investigator. HE TOOK THAT TAPE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. Many inferences can be drawn from that, the least of which is they made him uncomfortable, the worst of which is he worried something unethical/illegal was going on.

The other witness says clearly on her affidavit that she went on her own, outside of the knowledge of TES.

Have you ever heard that when one person writes a letter to complain to a company that they represent so very many others who are unhappy too but did not sit down to write? Perhaps Mr. Jordon was not the only person to contact LE about the defense and concerns with their methods.

In any event, both of these witnesses make the defense motion a mess. If you are going to accuse someone of lying to a judge or being inaccurate, you should have your facts straight and be sure what the witnesses have to say do not work against your very argument. Especially if the person you are accusing is of the caliber of Mr. Nejame (this aint his first rodeo). The defense better pick lesser people than Mr. Miller, who is regarded as modern day hero, to claim to have been dishonest, or the jury is going to despise them from jump.
It is odd, they should be careful what they wish for. They want Mr. Miller as a witness....then they haven't thought that through. He is going to be very credible to the jury and he is going to say two things that are going to sink Casey.
A.) Upon his arrival in the Anthony home, George's long time friend, Jim, told him that there really is no need for a search...George says he knows all of the answers are right down there in that room an she (Casey) is not talking. Translation... the baby is dead. Then Cindy started in with I am so glad you are here Tim, to look for a live Caylee...and so things went awry when he began the search for a body.
B.) He says the hardest decision, and the smartest decision, he ever made was to call off the search when the water was so deep they lost one of their search vehicles in it. He was concerned that in the mud, someone could accidentally push her little tiny bones down further and we would never have found them.
He says out of over 900 searches he has done since forming TES, he has never had a worse experience , and he wishes that mom and pop could have been on the other end of the phone call when other families that did want and need his help were having to be put off because they were not available, they were there in Florida having Cindy yell at them for not chasing down ridiculous made up leads in other states, etc. ( I am paraphrasing ).

If I were the defense the last person, besides Casey, of course, I would want on the stand is Tim.
Just for kicks, lets play...

Here we are at the trial...
Mr. Miller.... the state will ask, tell us.... what is Texas Equusearch ?
A. My daughter was missing and later found to have been murdered and since that time , my wife, my family, my lifelong friends and I have devoted our entire lives to help look for missing children.
Q. How, sir, did you come to be involved in the CA case, was it for publicity? The defense may try to disparage him.
A. I received a call from Cindy , she requested I come. My non profit organization of all volunteers came from all over the US to help in the search for her granddaughter. We went in debt over forty thousand dollars trying to help, there were over four thousand good, good people that came from every walk of life, from near and far to search.

The prosecution will ask him about the Anthony family. His answers are going to be
he was treated horribly, basically spit on, sent away,uninvited to the memorial, threatened...it was in his words the worst experience in his entire time out of nearly a thousand searches. Perhaps they will play the tape of Cindy's vile voice mail to him. (In my opinion she was threatening him, it will be a far cry from the demure sad Grandma the jury is watching sob into a kerchief, she is live and unplugged like in the ZFG depo.)
Q. What was the purpose in searching sir?
A.To find the baby so she may have a Christian burial and the family may have some closure.
Q. So, if a searcher were to have found the body, what is the likelihood they would report it?
A. 100 percent.
Q. You do not know them all personally, but using your best educated guess, what is the likelihood they would falsify the documents or lie to you to hinder getting to the truth?
A. Based on my years of experience, the kind of folks that come out, spray on bug spray, wade through muck and mire and garbage dumps and ponds and woods for hours on end in the hot sun are doing so for all the right reasons. based on that and my faith, I would estimate that to be zero.

Of course I am just making an example, the answers wont be allowed to be as I have described, but you get the idea. Once again, this was not well thought out.....if their approach is to offer up easily discredited witnesses,like JK, harass witnesses so that even they go to the police to report it, and instead try to disparage Mr. Miller and Mr. Nejame......I feel bad for the interns. I suggest they regroup.

In this entire matter, since Mr. Nejame began representing TES, I have found him to be very sound and clear, an expert on the laws in Florida. Time and time again the defense has filed motions that he has ...well, I cannot help it...mopped the floor with.

Regarding Dominic....Baez drew attention to him having something of value to say when he asked for a special master regarding Dom and protested LE interviewing him. Red flag. I do think we will see a different lawyer on this case by the time it goes to trial.[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raHlPVJEabU[/ame]

 

[A_News_Junkie]

Remember this case is international. There have been many posters who have said that the area by the school (hidden oaks ele.) would be the place to seach if they could.

Just think for a moment of how many lookey-loos have done drive-by's of that area near the school and close to the remains sight. I think you have even mentioned there is a chance the school keeps video tape for an indefinate amount of time, so who ever has been down by the school or even driving down suburban and turning around in front of the school, that will be on tape? I hope so. And I hope that KC herself is on tape making that very turn after dumping Caylee (imo).

There were some folks called "Body finders" or "Body searchers" they had white dogs, black t-shirts and they were in a van.(not down by the river ) They did a drive-by on Suburban with a camara running, and their dogs apparently got sick right near the area that Caylee was eventually found. This was all on tape. We use to have a link to their site here, but can't find it anymore. Maybe someone else knows or remembers this incident and can shed more light.

But my point. There were other people out there searching other than TES searchers.

Thx.:crosseyed:

That was Gail St. John and co!

 

[logicalgirl]

Just the sworn documents by JJ and the Lady from New Jersey. I will look for the link. thanks

I am not sure about the word proof, but may be substantial evidence and the Judge is satisfied. Moo

Here is the link. Pdf page 15 and 17.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21703813/detail.html

I will check the lady from NewJerssey but you are blowing smoke on JJ - his search was not under the umbrella of TES and he went to OCPD with a tape to deny Baez's claims.

 

[impatientredhead]

We have a small portion of redacted phone records for DC and the psychic. These records do seem to corroborate DC's story:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records



Well, I was pretty surprised too, but when I looked into this question some time back I concluded that, as long as JB didn't mess with the physical evidence (or ask anyone else to mess with the physical evidence) he would not be required to tell anyone where the remains were. He could even go out there and look at the remains (or ask someone else to go out there and look at the remains) as long as no one altered anything.
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Miscellaneous comments for which I couldn't easily find the quotes to snip:

1. A proposed scheduling order is, of course, not signed, because it is only proposed. The court paper asking that the order be signed by the judge was, of course, signed by the SA. A proposed order is also not a "motion," or a "proposed motion."

2. The SA explained that the reason they are saying no trial until May 2011 is because JB insists that he is going to depose absolutely every single witness on the State's witness list. The SA is saying, "OK fine, JB, if you want to play SuperLawyer all of a sudden, we're going to make sure the judge knows that you just caused a 1 1/2 year delay after spending the last 1 1/2 years twiddling your thumbs and hardly deposing anyone."

3. The judge did not ask that the defense provide their proof (regarding someone else disposing of the body) to him rather than to the prosecution. There would be no basis in the rules of procedure for anything like that. Also, an order to disclose a specific type of evidence by a date certain ordinarily would not be "cancelled" by a later order to confer regarding general case deadlines.

4. There is NO exception for "ongoing criminal investigation" material to be withheld from the defense in a criminal prosecution--OR from the public, once it is disclosed to the defense. That exception in the Sunshine Law is "trumped" by the disclosure rules. So this material could definitely be something that would constitute an "ongoing criminal investigation." The SA would have no right to hold that information back unless the judge approved it. The SA also has no right to hold information back until the final disclosure date.

BBM- I found the same thing when the topic was brought up originally. Found two cases that went to the supreme court where the defense attorney knew the location of the body, one visited the scene, neither reported it and both were found to have committed no wrong doing.

Their obligation was only to encourage their client to disclose the info but were ethically prevented by privilege from doing so themselves. They were not allowed to move, alter, or knowingly allow their client to do anything to move, alter, or destroy evidence.

I have the links to the cases on my other PC.

 

[karenmamo]

...and no chance this relates to the rumor that Kronk's girlfriend relayed something she heard to her bf?

 

[A_News_Junkie]

az or one of our legal eagles:
From the motion: "certain materials and information have come into the possession of law enforcement"
-----------> what is the legal meaning of the word "materials" in this usage? Ie: It seems it means something tangible vs material facts, etc. So, if it does, then something like the missing diary pages, maybe kid finders folks found the roll of duct tape used to hang the flyers, but it seems to me it is tangible.

Second: From frcp: 8(i) www.scribd.com/doc/4844375/fl-rules-of-crim-pro
page 87-88 (thanks cecybeans for the link!) -- could it be that the reason the state has requested the meeting without defense there is they have come into possession of say a letter, or "material" showing that the defense has asked or instructed say dc or someone not to talk to prosecutors or "showing opposing counsel any relevant material"??????

Also of note, is the use of the word: "new"

back to reading the rules of criminal procedure! (sure wish the increase size button worked :-(( )

bumping to try to catch az and get her(his?) opinion!

 

[Intermezzo]

Here it is:

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/22464497/detail.html

And its just a proposed motion. And I understand why it is not signed. However, in context, I was reffering to a poster that this could not be exculpatory because the prosecution set an court date. I just responded with its not signed, so it doesn't mean anything. Sorry for the confusion. Moo

Thank you kindly

Ah, I see, a Notice of Filing to Judge Strickland of A Proposed Order Setting Discovery, Motion and Hearing Deadlines and Trial Date submitted after discussions with the Defense.
Very Good.

 

[LolaMoon08]

If Cindy sent Dominic out there...and it could be proven...she better prepare for the rest of HER life in prison...this is unspeakable...

In Lee's deposition he was asked if he knew anything about Dominic Casey going out into the woods off of Suburban Drive and he said YES. He said that his mother told him, before the remains were found, that Dominic went out into the woods because they got a tip from a psychic. Lee even tells them where this conversation took place. In the Anthony kitchen.

The SA asked him if he was sure that it was before December 11th, 2008 and he said YES because he was mad (he used another word) because he didn't understand why all the sudden they were willing to look for a dead Caylee.

Cindy has denied any knowledge of Dominic Casey going out there until after the remains were found. Well again, Lee says differently and why would Lee lie about his own mother in regards to this?

Cindy KNEW and I believe that it is CINDY who sent him out there. Why else would she lie about it?

 

[MissJames]

I think the biggest "mystery" about this motion is NOT the "WHO" (is being investigated) but more of the "WHY" is SA requesting that the defense NOT be present!

To date, there have been no allegations (apart from a few bloggers) that the prosecution has operated in an underhanded method, has purposely withheld or hidden evidence from the defense, has "leaked" information to the media, or any other unsavory behavior. They have shown to be very experienced, dotting every I, crossing every T.

Filed with this motion was a motion for discovery schedule, etc and in this proposal, which I believe JS will grant since it was he who requested that the SA and defense meet and set up a schedule, all discovery is to be exchanged at the earliest by August.

SO....

If SA is still investigating this "new material and information" and are not required to pass the info to the defense until the investigation is complete, and if granted, have until at least August 2010 to do so, why are they wanting to go before JS to ask his permission?????? And why do they not want the defense to witness this? Makes absolutely no sense that SA has now decided to be sneaky and underhanded...

IF this "new material and information" is related to only DC, CA/GA, Lee, or any other witness, why would SA be opposed to the defense hearing the following...

"JS....we have recently received new material and information from LE that we believe is very important to the case and warrants further investigation. We would like your permission to refrain from releasing this information to the defense until it is fully investigated." If pushed, why couldn't the defense hear..."We are currently investigating DC (or GA/CA/Lee)..."

I just don't get why SA would find it so important that defense team not be privy to this conversation (re: stating "who" they are investigating but not the "why")

HOWEVER...

If the conversation were similar to the following....

"JS....we have recently received new material and information from LE that we believe is very important to the case and warrants further investigation. We would like your permission to refrain from releasing this information to the defense until it is fully investigated. We have evidence that the defense team has (or may have) been involved in impeding the investigation into the recovery of Caylee's remains and would like your opinion on how to proceed."

Now I CAN understand why they would not want the defense privy to this conversation....

So again...question to me is not the "WHO" but the "WHY"

ITA with you. I could be totally off-base,but I can't help but think this evidence is ABOUT the defense. Someone may have given LE evidence that implicates someone from the defense team in a cover up.Perhaps planting false evidence or blackmailing a witness.The sky is the limit to my imagination. JB can be underhanded. He had the gall to put blatantly false info on his webpage about his bio. IIRC the FL Bar made him remove it.
It may well involve a family member ,but in cahoots with JB.If GA wants to get away from CA all he has to do is fess up. After immunity he would get book deals ,movie deals.You name it. The media and public are hungry for the truth( ARE YOU LISTENING,GEORGE?) . Suppose GA found eveidence of hanky panky between CA and DC,as has been rumored .He would be royally pizzed and played for a fool.Maybe he wants his share of the house and rights to the "real" story.
Maybe Mallory found something and got scared or angry.
Maybe the Milstead's or MM are having new legal problems and want to make a deal.
The possibilities are boundless .
We can take many different directions with the SA's request. We may all be wrong :waitasec:,but the SA has something and it sounds BIG :dance: JMO

ETA: I point out GA because he was the one who came closest to the truth with LE. Still holding out hope. Silly me,but maybe if he had an incentive..........

 

[TotallyObsessed]

We have a small portion of redacted phone records for DC and the psychic. These records do seem to corroborate DC's story:

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/11105504/Casey-Antony-Dominic-Casey-and-G-Lucas-cell-records



Well, I was pretty surprised too, but when I looked into this question some time back I concluded that, as long as JB didn't mess with the physical evidence (or ask anyone else to mess with the physical evidence) he would not be required to tell anyone where the remains were. He could even go out there and look at the remains (or ask someone else to go out there and look at the remains) as long as no one altered anything.
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Miscellaneous comments for which I couldn't easily find the quotes to snip:

1. A proposed scheduling order is, of course, not signed, because it is only proposed. The court paper asking that the order be signed by the judge was, of course, signed by the SA. A proposed order is also not a "motion," or a "proposed motion."

2. The SA explained that the reason they are saying no trial until May 2011 is because JB insists that he is going to depose absolutely every single witness on the State's witness list. The SA is saying, "OK fine, JB, if you want to play SuperLawyer all of a sudden, we're going to make sure the judge knows that you just caused a 1 1/2 year delay after spending the last 1 1/2 years twiddling your thumbs and hardly deposing anyone."

3. The judge did not ask that the defense provide their proof (regarding someone else disposing of the body) to him rather than to the prosecution. There would be no basis in the rules of procedure for anything like that. Also, an order to disclose a specific type of evidence by a date certain ordinarily would not be "cancelled" by a later order to confer regarding general case deadlines.

4. There is NO exception for "ongoing criminal investigation" material to be withheld from the defense in a criminal prosecution--OR from the public, once it is disclosed to the defense. That exception in the Sunshine Law is "trumped" by the disclosure rules. So this material could definitely be something that would constitute an "ongoing criminal investigation." The SA would have no right to hold that information back unless the judge approved it. The SA also has no right to hold information back until the final disclosure date.

IIRC, I think JB, if he had knowledge of where the body was located, would be bound to at least go to the judge and recuse himself from defending the client. That's why most defense lawyers don't ask and don't want to know if their client "did it".

 

[logicalgirl]

Yes I agree and thank you for reading my post and remembering what I have said. I agree that there were others. Many others that are just as important as Tes. A witness is a witness, does not have to be affiliated with Tes to be some form of an official. I have thought that it is possible that the school does have video camera's, but I talked to a person on another forum that takes her kids to school there and she says there are no camera's. So, I may be wrong about that. I did note that even on the google map it shows busses on suburban, and I am almost sure they would have video's on the buses.

At our school, homeland security act paid for all our camera's and equiptment. this ties into the topic, because this could also be the new information, however if the mods want me to remove this post, I will.

Yes I saw those body finders on NG or one of the shows. Do you remember when they were there? I find it very interesting. I would like to see that video again to see if they were spot on and to see what month that video was taken in. Moo

But having you just been going on about MJ and the "whole" TES records and how sympathetic the judge is to the defense's request to see ALL the records? (which he isn't actually)

 

[logicalgirl]

I found the link and posted it in my post above...and OMG!!!!!!!!!!

They were RIGHT THERE! The place is still over-grown with vegitation...I'm not sure when they were there, but I think it was late July '08 or Aug. '08?:waitasec:

Aren't the experts saying there would have been "no Body" to find by that time? That it would have disintegrated and there would be bones scattered all over the place? It seems to me searchers were looking for a whole child, not bits and pieces of bones and shreds of fabric among all the garbage already littering the area.

 

[LambChop]

Yes I agree and thank you for reading my post and remembering what I have said. I agree that there were others. Many others that are just as important as Tes. A witness is a witness, does not have to be affiliated with Tes to be some form of an official. I have thought that it is possible that the school does have video camera's, but I talked to a person on another forum that takes her kids to school there and she says there are no camera's. So, I may be wrong about that. I did note that even on the google map it shows busses on suburban, and I am almost sure they would have video's on the buses.
At our school, homeland security act paid for all our camera's and equiptment. this ties into the topic, because this could also be the new information, however if the mods want me to remove this post, I will.

Yes I saw those body finders on NG or one of the shows. Do you remember when they were there? I find it very interesting. I would like to see that video again to see if they were spot on and to see what month that video was taken in. Moo

School in Florida ends in May. No buses.

 

[Intermezzo]

Just the sworn documents by JJ and the Lady from New Jersey. I will look for the link. thanks

I am not sure about the word proof, but may be substantial evidence and the Judge is satisfied. Moo

Here is the link. Pdf page 15 and 17.

http://www.wftv.com/pdf/21703813/detail.html

Thanks for providing the link NTS

LB stated she was not officially assigned to Suburban but went on her own with the group.
Does this mean she/they were acting apart from TES?

If anyone on the board was part of the search..if you left your designated search area and went to search on you own, even with your group, did you have to clear it with someone or notify Search command where you were going to search?

 

[Tulessa]

I agree with you! Mr. Nejame will make short order of this, I am trying to be nice and not say mop the floor with this, LOL!

If you watch the hearing over again a few things stand out
1. Mr. Nejame stated , a personal and professional courtesy to his former clients Mr. and Mrs. Anthony, Brad was allowed to review all of the TES documents. He reviewed them for days and he found even less than 32 people to have been in that exact area.

2. Mr. Nejame said the defense is welcome to come to his office and review the documents. Andrea agreed that of course the defense would be responsible for some reasonable fees regarding this. IF the defense were to find other searchers of interest it was agreed the matter would be taken to the judge and the judge would rule.

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Now, what has happened since then? Has the defense went to review the documents? If not, I pity them in front of the judge next hearing.

One of the two folks they were relying on to testify for them , Mr. Jordon ,was so very concerned about what was going on that he made a decision to tape record the last questioning of him done by the defense lawyer and or investigator. HE TOOK THAT TAPE TO LAW ENFORCEMENT. Many inferences can be drawn from that, the least of which is they made him uncomfortable, the worst of which is he worried something unethical/illegal was going on.

The other witness says clearly on her affidavit that she went on her own, outside of the knowledge of TES.

Have you ever heard that when one person writes a letter to complain to a company that they represent so very many others who are unhappy too but did not sit down to write? Perhaps Mr. Jordon was not the only person to contact LE about the defense and concerns with their methods.

In any event, both of these witnesses make the defense motion a mess. If you are going to accuse someone of lying to a judge or being inaccurate, you should have your facts straight and be sure what the witnesses have to say do not work against your very argument. Especially if the person you are accusing is of the caliber of Mr. Nejame (this aint his first rodeo). The defense better pick lesser people than Mr. Miller, who is regarded as modern day hero, to claim to have been dishonest, or the jury is going to despise them from jump.
It is odd, they should be careful what they wish for. They want Mr. Miller as a witness....then they haven't thought that through. He is going to be very credible to the jury and he is going to say two things that are going to sink Casey.
A.) Upon his arrival in the Anthony home, George's long time friend, Jim, told him that there really is no need for a search...George says he knows all of the answers are right down there in that room an she (Casey) is not talking. Translation... the baby is dead. Then Cindy started in with I am so glad you are here Tim, to look for a live Caylee...and so things went awry when he began the search for a body.
B.) He says the hardest decision, and the smartest decision, he ever made was to call off the search when the water was so deep they lost one of their search vehicles in it. He was concerned that in the mud, someone could accidentally push her little tiny bones down further and we would never have found them.
He says out of over 900 searches he has done since forming TES, he has never had a worse experience , been treated more poorly by the family and he wishes that mom and pop could have been on the other end of the phone call when other families that did want and need his help were having to be put off because they were not available, they were there in Florida having Cindy yell at them for not chasing down ridiculous made up leads in other states, etc. ( I am paraphrasing ).

If I were the defense the last person, besides Casey, of course, I would want on the stand is Tim.
Just for kicks, lets play...

Here we are at the trial...
Mr. Miller.... the state will ask, tell us.... what is Texas Equusearch ?
A. My daughter was missing and later found to have been murdered and since that time , my wife, my family, my lifelong friends and I have devoted our entire lives to help look for missing children.
Q. How, sir, did you come to be involved in the CA case, was it for publicity? The defense may try to disparage him.
A. I received a call from Cindy , she requested I come. My non profit organization of all volunteers came from all over the US to help in the search for her granddaughter. We went in debt over forty thousand dollars trying to help, there were over four thousand good, good people that came from every walk of life, from near and far to search.

The prosecution will ask him about the Anthony family. His answers are going to be
he was treated horribly, basically spit on, sent away,uninvited to the memorial, threatened...it was in his words the worst experience in his entire time out of nearly a thousand searches. Perhaps they will play the tape of Cindy's vile voice mail to him. (In my opinion she was threatening him, it will be a far cry from the demure sad Grandma the jury is watching sob into a kerchief, she is live and unplugged like in the ZFG depo.)
Q. What was the purpose in searching sir?
A.To find the baby so she may have a Christian burial and the family may have some closure.
Q. So, if a searcher were to have found the body, what is the likelihood they would report it?
A. 100 percent.
Q. You do not know them all personally, but using your best educated guess, what is the likelihood they would falsify the documents or lie to you to hinder getting to the truth?
A. Based on my years of experience, the kind of folks that come out, spray on bug spray, wade through muck and mire and garbage dumps and ponds and woods for hours on end in the hot sun are doing so for all the right reasons. based on that and my faith, I would estimate that to be zero.

Of course I am just making an example, the answers wont be allowed to be as I have described, but you get the idea. Once again, this was not well thought out.....if their approach is to offer up easily discredited witnesses,like JK, harass witnesses so that even they go to the police to report it, and instead try to disparage Mr. Miller and Mr. Nejame......I feel bad for the interns. I suggest they regroup.

In this entire matter, since Mr. Nejame began representing TES, I have found him to be very sound and clear, an expert on the laws in Florida. Time and time again the defense has filed motions that he has ...well, I cannot help it...mopped the floor with.

Regarding Dominic....Baez drew attention to him having something of value to say when he asked for a special master regarding Dom and protested LE interviewing him. Red flag. I do think we will see a different lawyer on this case by the time it goes to trial.

I wish this ENTIRE POST would fit in my siggy!!!:woohoo:

 

[The World According]

I found the link ..and OMG!!!!!!!!!! http://http://.com/blinddrive/

They were RIGHT THERE! The place is still over-grown with vegitation...I'm not sure when they were there, but I think it was late July '08 or Aug. '08?:waitasec:

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Thank you so much for the video. The young lady taking the dog out clearly states that she cannot go further because at the slope it is all WATER! Just as Mr. Miller and LE said, water!

 

[logicalgirl]

BBM- I found the same thing when the topic was brought up originally. Found two cases that went to the supreme court where the defense attorney knew the location of the body, one visited the scene, neither reported it and both were found to have committed no wrong doing.

Their obligation was only to encourage their client to disclose the info but were ethically prevented by privilege from doing so themselves. They were not allowed to move, alter, or knowingly allow their client to do anything to move, alter, or destroy evidence.

I have the links to the cases on my other PC.

yes, I recall reading small excerpts that DC's phone conversations with the "so called" woowoo person were confirmed, but I also understood that DC was using more than one phone during that search. Does anyone else remember that? Not sure where to look for links to confirm it.