Protesters could be hindering conclusion.

[SUR]

I meant you, The Anthony's, Katie526 and whomever else supports Casey can explain away what LE is saying, the FBI proof, etc by talk talk talking... but logic transcends all.

Again, it is not logical to ignore a what a judge says but if you choose to, oh well. You know what they say about a closed parachute.

 

[jbar]

This judge is saying that LE knows more than we do and that they are not able to out and out break the law, but they are able to create impressions to POI, witnesses etc - not the general public!!! I do not believe that they are allowed to say they have FBI evidence when they do not. That would be breaking the law. Again, I think you are explaining away pure logic to create his comments to mirror something that fits your agenda.

 

[ibyoungr]

Why revoke fifty people's rights? When all you have to do is take Casey back to where she belongs. With her in the slammer there will be no arguments.

This argument is getting really old. The judge set bond, the bond was met. If you have a problem then take the PROTEST to the judges chambers. Simple.

If you do not like the law, then change the law.

I can believe all day that Casey is guilty. That is not what this is about.

Rights? Let's talk rights...

Which "Right" trumps?

1st amendment - Freedom of speech?
5th amendment - Right to remain silent


Funny thing is... Casey has a right to remain silent.. ACLU's website
http://www.aclu.org/police/gen/14528res20040730.html

50 people's right to protest.... careful be very careful.... with this one.
So do you agree with the weirdo Westboro Baptist church that screams and harasses families of dead soliders?
If it is okay to do in one situation.. then it comes legal precedent in another situation.

Is the ACLU going to have to have an argument with themselves?

I have asked 3 times... what right trumps the other and not one person can answer this.

 

[softsoul]

There is no proof that LE has lied or misled about anything. Casey on the other hand...

 

[SUR]

This judge is saying that LE knows more than we do and that they are not able to out and out break the law, but they are able to create impressions. I do not believe that they are allowed to say they have FBI evidence when they do not. Again, I think you are explaining away pure logic to create his comments to mirror something that fits your agenda.

And create impressions they did and again that does NOT mean it is truth or proof. They CAN say anyone has any evidence they wish to as was explained and again, does not equal proof. Again, it is not logical to only believe what you choose to and not wait to actually see the proof before you assume it is fact.

 

[jbar]

It's also not logical to debate with someone who does not follow logic, reality and science.... or those not dealing a full deck. I will heed the advice you gave to Katie526 earlier.

 

[unsaid]

This judge is saying that LE knows more than we do and that they are not able to out and out break the law, but they are able to create impressions to POI, witnesses etc - not the general public!!! I do not believe that they are allowed to say they have FBI evidence when they do not. That would be breaking the law. Again, I think you are explaining away pure logic to create his comments to mirror something that fits your agenda.

I enjoy your posts jbar. I'd like to invite you to see this issue from my perspective.

I think that LE has the information that they say they have. It's the information that they aren't saying they have that is important. They are being strategic with the info they release. What I'm unsure of is if they ALSO have information that disproves their evidence. Ok so you have Caylee's dna in the trunk and you release that information. So perception sways one way. What if they have other's dna in the trunk as well? They haven't released that info. That would lessen the impact of the info they released about Caylee's dna, right? So they won't do that, imo.

They are trying to get something from Casey so the information they release isn't really about pleasing the public and being 100% forthcoming, it's about getting Casey to tell the truth by any means and within the constraints of the law. Only releasing evidence that tells one particular story is a way to do that, IMO.

 

[SUR]

There is no proof that LE has lied or misled about anything. Casey on the other hand...

We have seen NO proof of all the leaks LE put out. If they had all this proof they would charge her with murder instead of playing cat and mouse games, letting unproven tid bits leak out, putting others in danger, creationg the hate towards not only Casey but the whole family. Say what you will about ducks, T's and I's but IF they had the evidence she would have been charged. They are going to play their silly little games until one of those protesters does something to hurt themselves, their kids or someone else.

 

[SUR]

It's also not logical to debate with someone who does not follow logic, reality and science.... or those not dealing a full deck. I will heed the advice you gave to Katie526 earlier.

I think accusing me of not dealing with a full deck is against the rules, isn't it? :waitasec: I thought this was a place to debate the case but your "logic" only wants you to see one side.

 

[DuchessJules22]

Yep. Me too.

I agree.

 

[Katie526]

I think accusing me of not dealing with a full deck is against the rules, isn't it? :waitasec: I thought this was a place to debate the case but your "logic" only wants you to see one side.

Hang in there, it get's rough. I learned my lesson.

 

[jbar]

It's also not logical to debate with someone who does not follow logic, reality and science.... or those not dealing a full deck.

I think accusing me of not dealing with a full deck is against the rules, isn't it?

Please check your paranoia at the door. I did not personally, or directly, implicate you in my post, what so ever.

 

[jbar]

They are being strategic with the info they release.

They are trying to get something from Casey so the information they release isn't really about pleasing the public and being 100% forthcoming, it's about getting Casey to tell the truth by any means and within the constraints of the law.

I agree with both of these statements.

I still 100% believe though, that they would not "make up" false information and state it as proof.

I do believe, and have stated so in several threads, they have enough evidence that can prove decomp in the car, and the death of Caylee. I do not believe they can prove Casey's involvement with either of those issues - and that remains to be the hold up. I think they will use this proof to get Casey to talk, however they can, within the constraints of the law - but I also believe that appealing to her in an emotional way, as they have till this point, will not be fruitfull for them.

 

[SUR]

Hang in there, it get's rough. I learned my lesson.

Their closed minds don't rattle me. I guess they live sheltered lives to not know that cops can and do lie and it is not unusual in this case. The thing that is unusual in this case is the leaks are causing people to put themselves and their children in danger byt the silly and immature "protesting". If one of them get seriiously hurt or killed and LE's leaks are proven to be BS who is going to be at fault?

 

[unsaid]

I still 100% believe though, that they would not "make up" false information and state it as proof.

I agree with you on that.

About the evidence they have that proves Caylee's death-- what if they also have evidence that discredits that evidence in some way? That's the type of evidence that I wonder about them withholding. I think it could be that type of evidence that hinders them from pursuing a murder charge.

It just occurred to me that maybe it isn't only for lack of evidence that they don't charge Casey with murder but maybe it's because they have some evidence to the contrary. Hmmm....

 

[Katie526]

Their closed minds don't rattle me. I guess they live sheltered lives to not know that cops can and do lie and it is not unusual in this case. The thing that is unusual in this case is the leaks are causing people to put themselves and their children in danger byt the silly and immature "protesting". If one of them get seriiously hurt or killed and LE's leaks are proven to be BS who is going to be at fault?

Agree! Someone will get hurt too. That mother should be slapped with a fine or something. Can you imagine being that child falling and in pain and all you see is your Mom yelling at someone else.

The same with that family that was pounding on the door. No one has the right to do that, yet the Anthony's are instigating. I'm sure they asked for that family to come on up.

 

[SUR]

I agree with you on that.

About the evidence they have that proves Caylee's death-- what if they also have evidence that discredits that evidence in some way? That's the type of evidence that I wonder about them withholding. I think it could be that type of evidence that hinders them from pursuing a murder charge.

It just occurred to me that maybe it isn't only for lack of evidence that they don't charge Casey with murder but maybe it's because they have some evidence to the contrary. Hmmm....

If they have evidence to the contrary of Casey killing Caylee they will do anything in their power to hide it IMO. They have made their stand now and won't back down no matter what.

 

[jbar]

About the evidence they have that proves Caylee's death-- what if they also have evidence that discredits that evidence in some way? That's the type of evidence that I wonder about them withholding. I think it could be that type of evidence that hinders them from pursuing a murder charge.

It just occurred to me that maybe it isn't only for lack of evidence that they don't charge Casey with murder but maybe it's because they have some evidence to the contrary. Hmmm....

Edited from first statement, because I read the statement wrong...

I don't believe that they are so rigid with Casey being a murder that they are not looking at other possibilities. I think the proof that they are holding hard and fast to is 1) Decomp in the back of the car 2) Caylee is dead. I think all the details surrounding those two proven facts, are still fluid and are subject to change as evidence comes forward.

I do not believe that they have any credible evidence that would cast doubt about Caylee's death. I believe the forensic evidence speaks on this issue.

Where they stand now, IMO, is 1) No new evidence or tips 2) People aren't talking 3) No body. So, again, as I have stated elsewhere, it's my opinion that we do not see homicide charges for ANYONE relating to Caylee's disappearance and presumed death, because we still do not have probable cause - for anyone. I think that if they had evidence pointing in the direction of anyone else being involved - we would have a second person of interest in this case - but I still think that there is a possibility she had help.

 

[SUR]

Agree! Someone will get hurt too. That mother should be slapped with a fine or something. Can you imagine being that child falling and in pain and all you see is your Mom yelling at someone else.

The same with that family that was pounding on the door. No one has the right to do that, yet the Anthony's are instigating. I'm sure they asked for that family to come on up.

What gets me is SOME people have built up so much hate for the whole Anthony family that no matter what they do or don't do they are wrong and have no rights but the protesters do have rights in their eyes????? Double standard IMO.

 

[Seranade]

This judge is saying that LE knows more than we do and that they are not able to out and out break the law, but they are able to create impressions to POI, witnesses etc - not the general public!!! I do not believe that they are allowed to say they have FBI evidence when they do not. That would be breaking the law. Again, I think you are explaining away pure logic to create his comments to mirror something that fits your agenda.

Think logically about what you just wrote in that bolded statement. If they are lying to Casey or trying to create false impression with her or witnesses, do you really think they would get on teevee and tell the truth?? As if Casey or the witnesses couldn't hear them?