Q241-liquid from the car

[treeseeker]

A link to Dr. Vass' GC-MS testing of the paper towels, start pg. 6557:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19801995.pdf

He didn't report any cleaning products being found.

 

[lizzysf]

And where did the "laundry" go that George saw in the trunk on the 24th? It wasn't in the trunk at the tow yard or in the trunk per LE. Cindy found and washed pants from the backseat. On the 25th and 26th she was at TL's..do you really think she would risk bringing that "laundry" into his house with the horrific decomp smell to wash or to a public laundry facility? On the 27th, no "laundry" mentioned that she took from the car at Amscot when Tony picked her up. (and obviously, she wouldn't put the smelly laundry in his car)
So let's say it really was just laundry and she dumped it somewhere, between the 24th and 27th.. the only reason I could think of is that it stunk, and was soiled evidence. Then why would she leave the trash bag in the trunk with the decomp paper towels? The two go hand in hand here I think.
So, where did the "laundry" go if it wasn't found in trunk of the car? And for what reason would she even open that trunk besides on the actual day of the disposal? I don't believe could have opened that trunk until she had to. The 24th for the gas cans/addition of the laundry bag and the disposal right after. If George saw clothes, he would have said clothes...he said laundry for a reason.. a laundry bag.

Whether it was the laundry bag with Caylee, or just in fact laundry... it is still unaccounted for after the 24th.

 

[AZlawyer]

And where did the "laundry" go that George saw in the trunk on the 24th? It wasn't in the trunk at the tow yard or in the trunk per LE. Cindy found and washed pants from the backseat. On the 25th and 26th she was at TL's..do you really think she would risk bringing that "laundry" into his house with the horrific decomp smell to wash or to a public laundry facility? On the 27th, no "laundry" mentioned that she took from the car at Amscot when Tony picked her up. (and obviously, she wouldn't put the smelly laundry in his car)
So let's say it really was just laundry and she dumped it somewhere, between the 24th and 27th.. the only reason I could think of is that it stunk, and was soiled evidence. Then why would she leave the trash bag in the trunk with the decomp paper towels? The two go hand in hand here I think.
So, where did the "laundry" go if it wasn't found in trunk of the car?

Whether it was the laundry bag with Caylee, or just in fact laundry... it is still unaccounted for after the 24th.

George said "clothes," not "laundry."

7/31/08 George's FBI interview
part 3, 11min 09sec
http://www.wftv.com/video/18032897/index.html

FBI: When she popped the trunk were you back at the back of the car?
GA: Yeah, yeah there was (inaudible) I could see clothes back there, she has a plastic ah blue bin thats collapsible, we all have them in our vehicles, and a and a gas cans were inside this blue bin that she had, cause she pulled (inaudible)

Your point remains a good one--just clearing up the record.

 

[JWG]

A link to Dr. Vass' GC-MS testing of the paper towels, start pg. 6557:
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0619/19801995.pdf

He didn't report any cleaning products being found.

Correct, but recall that Dr. Vass only used 50 mG worth of the paper towels. To put it in perspective, a 2-ply Bounty paper towel weighs about 4616 mG per square foot, or about 32 mG per square in. So Dr. Vass used roughly two square inches (1.41" x 1.41") of paper towel.

Given that Dr. Vass' assignment was to find evidence of decomposition, I would hope he would carefully select his sample to be one that appeared to have the highest probability of decompositional fluids and the lowest probability of other contaminants.

 

[lizzysf]

George said "clothes," not "laundry."

7/31/08 George's FBI interview
part 3, 11min 09sec
http://www.wftv.com/video/18032897/index.html

FBI: When she popped the trunk were you back at the back of the car?
GA: Yeah, yeah there was (inaudible) I could see clothes back there, she has a plastic ah blue bin thats collapsible, we all have them in our vehicles, and a and a gas cans were inside this blue bin that she had, cause she pulled (inaudible)

Your point remains a good one--just clearing up the record.

He first said laundry. He changed it to clothes when Cindy said clothes.

 

[AZlawyer]

He first said laundry. He changed it to clothes when Cindy said clothes.

Can you find a link to that? Because several months back there were a bunch of us who thought he said "laundry" (myself included) but we never found anything other than the "clothes" quote. Maybe he said "laundry" in a press interview??

If he did say "laundry," you would have to wonder if he might have seen the actual laundry hamper Caylee's body was in.

 

[treeseeker]

Correct, but recall that Dr. Vass only used 50 mG worth of the paper towels. To put it in perspective, a 2-ply Bounty paper towel weighs about 4616 mG per square foot, or about 32 mG per square in. So Dr. Vass used roughly two square inches (1.41" x 1.41") of paper towel.

Given that Dr. Vass' assignment was to find evidence of decomposition, I would hope he would carefully select his sample to be one that appeared to have the highest probability of decompositional fluids and the lowest probability of other contaminants.

It's possible the cleaner would be applied to a different portion of the towel, but unlikely the stain substance and cleaner could remain so separated if the towel was actually used to wipe. Given the towels were originally wadded, and that they are designed to wick, highly likely any cleaner would be mixed with the substance.

 

[TakeNote]

should the name of this thread be changed maybe to crystal light bottle......since there is no urine?

 

[Valhall]

I think the main problem is there wasn't any of this cleaner detected in the six carpet pieces and there wasn't any of this cleaner detected in the paper towels. That's way too many pieces of evidence for this cleaning solution to not show up in if we're going to speculate it was poured or rubbed onto the trunk carpet.

Don't you agree?

 

[magic-cat]

You know, since Casey so sweetly told Tony how she had cleaned his car for him at the carwash then perhaps she made this portable solution for herself...and perhaps she had already cleaned HER car at that carwash and THEN cleaned his as if to say, "See I am here cleaning cars all the time, it wasn't just so I could clean my decomposed daughter out of my trunk, it wasn't an isolated incident" in case anyone saw her there.

I think it is highly likely that she would not have wanted to let that smell escape into the garage anymore than she absolutely HAD to. She had no choice but to bag Caylee up in there, or to put her into the laundry tote (having bagged her right off the bat maybe?) but to keep that trunk open for as long as that particular cleaning would have taken would have left that scent in the air and alerted her parents. So I vote she cleaned the car at the carwash, where she could use the vacuum etc there in the outdoors...

Heck, maybe the fact that she did open that trunk and "package" Caylee is THE very thing that prompted her parents TO search the backyard. Maybe they smelled something in that garage that very day she did that and when they found the car they became alarmed and felt they needed to search the yard.

 

[magic-cat]

I also seriously doubt that she "cleaned" the stain with papertowels. I think she sopped up the puddle, sorry about that, that was left once she removed her daughter and wadded those up and threw them into the bag. If she did any cleaning after that, then she probably used a scrub brush or a rag or something a little sturdier than papertowels...

I guess we will have to wait and see if there is any of the chemical mix from the bottle also on the papertowels.

And if she made that mix for cleaning? Who wants to use a cleaner that smells LIKE urine? That doesn't make any sense to me.

 

[magic-cat]

I think the main problem is there wasn't any of this cleaner detected in the six carpet pieces and there wasn't any of this cleaner detected in the paper towels. That's way too many pieces of evidence for this cleaning solution to not show up in if we're going to speculate it was poured or rubbed onto the trunk carpet.

Don't you agree?

Absolutely.

That mix may have been for something far more diabolical than cleaning, unless cleaning Caylee out of her life IS the cleaning that she did with it.:waitasec:

 

[magic-cat]

should the name of this thread be changed maybe to crystal light bottle......since there is no urine?

Please alert on the initial post and ask that the title be changed. I just cannot bring myself to alert on my own self. :innocent:

And yes, it should.:blushing:

 

[magic-cat]

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?referrerid=101011&t=625803

Found this link on an XBox sight-Draino is listed as one of the top ten household items to be used as a murder weapon.

 

[magic-cat]

http://www.stormfront.org/forum/archive/index.php/t-414591.html

This one is even worse.

Degreaser is actually listed on this one...

 

[Eidetic]

One thing that could account for the bottle containing urine, since she thought she was supremely intelligent... she may have had to relieve herself while moving Caylee. She was very lazy and easily distracted to dispose of it after the fact?

She could have assumed throwing some cleaning chemicals in there would destroy the possibility of collecting DNA :waitasec: or if she was planning on charring the Pontiac, it would all be a moot point anyhow, wouldn't it?

 

[Just Jayla]

One thing that could account for the bottle containing urine, since she thought she was supremely intelligent... she may have had to relieve herself while moving Caylee. She was very lazy and easily distracted to dispose of it after the fact?

She could have assumed throwing some cleaning chemicals in there would destroy the possibility of collecting DNA :waitasec: or if she was planning on charring the Pontiac, it would all be a moot point anyhow, wouldn't it?

I am unsure of the success she would have doing that, her being female and it being a narrow opening on the bottle-Don't think it would be hers.

 

[DotsEyes]

Under the clothes in the laundry bag in the trunk - was Caylee. Poor George.

 

[ZsaZsa]

http://forum.teamxbox.com/showthread.php?referrerid=101011&t=625803

Found this link on an XBox sight-Draino is listed as one of the top ten household items to be used as a murder weapon.

I forget which program I was watching last week that mentioned Anti-Freeze is WAY up there on the list of substances used to poison people because it looks like Gatorade, and tastes sweet! :innocent:

 

[ZsaZsa]

One thing that could account for the bottle containing urine, since she thought she was supremely intelligent... she may have had to relieve herself while moving Caylee. She was very lazy and easily distracted to dispose of it after the fact?

She could have assumed throwing some cleaning chemicals in there would destroy the possibility of collecting DNA :waitasec: or if she was planning on charring the Pontiac, it would all be a moot point anyhow, wouldn't it?

I think she's far more likely to have just pee'd in the same area she dumped Caylee, if she needed to- we know she has no scruples about peeing in public...