Q241-liquid from the car

[ExpectingUnicorns]

So is it a decided fact that there is NO WAY that what was in the Crystal Light bottle was snuff spit? YUCKY to think about, but is that a for certain fact that is NOT what we have here?

All this chemistry stuff goes over my head, so while I was waiting to hear back from a chemist friend, I decided to google 'tobacco' along with each of the chemicals detected in the crystal light bottle individually.
And guess what?

Every single one on the list is associated with tobacco.

2-Butanol - Solvent, also converted to Butanone- Found in tobacco

methyl ethyl ketone - Solvent, denaturing agent, cleaning agent-Found in tobacco

Methyl Alcohol – Solvent- Found in tobacco

Disulfide, dimethyl - Insecticide - contributor of urine smell- Found in tobacco

P-cresol - Disinfectants, insecticides-Found in tobacco

Anisole - Aromatic in perfumes and insecticides-Added to tobacco for aroma

Methyl Isocyanide – Pesticides- Found in tobacco

cyclohexane, [(1-methylpropyl)thio]- - Fungicide, insecticide? Adds flavor to tobacco (eeeew!)

Trimethylamine - Manufacturing use. Main source of urine smell- Found in tobacco

Phenol - Antiseptic, herbicide- Found in tobacco

2-Nonanol, 5-ethyl- - Fungicide, insecticide?-Found in tobacco

Benzothiazole - Industrial use - binding agent?- Found in tobacco

1-Methoxycycloheptatriene - Use unknown, seems to be a neurotoxin-Found in tobacco

It's still unknown if all of these are added to Copenhagen specifically, but I don't think we'll ever know for sure since the tobacco industry does not want consumers to know of all the toxins they add.

If nothing else, it's a good reason for smokers and chewers to quit. Here we are discussing this lethal mixture and all of them are used in tobacco and consumed daily.

In my mind, I'm pretty much convinced now that the brown liquid was spit from the copenhagen, but I know others feel differently, and am still open to other ideas.

Am happy to provide links if requested, but right now I'm off to take my lil princess to the park. It's a beautiful day here.
JMO

I found butwhatif's post on the other thread and tried to move it here.

 

[webhound]

Didn't someone in the Anthony household (most likely Casey) google household weapons & cleaning products? Someone upthread mentioned that maybe Casey poured cleaning products into the plastic bottle so she could take it and use it to clean her trunk. I can't see Casey pouring cleaning fluids into another bottle. She has no problem just taking stuff from people so I would assume she would just take the ENTIRE bottle with her.

I agree with this theory Gypsy. If she wanted to clean, why mix cleaning products in an empty drink bottle. Why not use the cleaning products from their original containers? KC went to the A house on a regular basis to take clothes, food, etc. Stopping by there to clean makes more sense to me, especially since she could drive in, close the garage door and do what she needed to do without anyone seeing her. Also, there would be no shortage of cleaning products there.

IMO, the bottle with the combination of cleaning and/or pesticide products seems far more sinister. Especially given the computer searches you mentioned.

Waves of gratitude to JWG and all those who worked so hard on the syringe thread.

 

[treeseeker]

butwhatif, this could explain "tobacco juice" without dna?
http://organic.lovetoknow.com/Organic_Pesticide

I don't understand the lack of nicotine, though. Perhaps not water soluable? Note this would be well-strained, also.

 

[Eidetic]

if she needed to- we know she has no scruples about peeing in public...

That was while she was "on" and the camera was out. Trying to be the popular kid imitating what her interpretation of acceptable behabvior to fit in, either sloppy drunk or pretending to be sloppy drunk so as not to disturb the herd. Posing for pictures.

Not when she while she was in her dark world plotting, scripting and carrying out her own warped CSI episode.

 

[noonie]

Maybe if she had one of her "studs" in the car with her at one time they needed to Pee and used the crystal lite bottle and she kept it in there?

 

[noonie]

She was always trying to pin it on someone else....HUH?

 

[TakeNote]

guys.......there was NO urine in the bottle.....

 

[OneLostGrl]

Where has DogMom2JoeAndWillie gone off to? I was really looking foward to her input regarding all of this!

 

[magic-cat]

Ok so to recap.
There was NO urine in the bottle.
The chemicals that WERE in the bottle can ALL be associated with tobacoo-ie snuff.
This was likely a spittoon?

JWG? Valhal? Dogmom?

 

[lizzysf]

George said "clothes," not "laundry."

7/31/08 George's FBI interview
part 3, 11min 09sec
http://www.wftv.com/video/18032897/index.html

FBI: When she popped the trunk were you back at the back of the car?
GA: Yeah, yeah there was (inaudible) I could see clothes back there, she has a plastic ah blue bin thats collapsible, we all have them in our vehicles, and a and a gas cans were inside this blue bin that she had, cause she pulled (inaudible)

Your point remains a good one--just clearing up the record.

I know that Geo told the FBI clothes, but I distinctly remember him also saying laundry at first.. It wasn't until after the body was discovered in the laundry bag that it dawned on me why it was significant that he said both.. I am sure he and Cindy had a good talk about the gas can day...what he saw, what he smelled.. And she knew the laundry bag was missing, I bet. Especially if Geo told her that's what he saw, she would check to see if it was missing. He changes his story several times... the early greta and cindy interview at home he says he saw nothing.. (that's an interesting watch..now that we know CA/GA better, the clues that something was up with the trunk is really obvious when you see that video) Greta says, were the gas cans stolen b4 or after she went missing.. Cindy says b4..and 5 minutes later, George is telling Greta it was on the 24th..!) and it only gets better from there.. I am looking everywhere for a doc or a clip of George saying laundry.. no luck so far. I don't think it would change my mind though that it was Caylee in the laundry bag. Clothes or laundry..pretty hinky association. Why would she be transporting clothes or laundry in a death odored trunk? And where did they go?

 

[RubyB]

Ok so to recap.
There was NO urine in the bottle. check
The chemicals that WERE in the bottle can ALL be associated with tobacoo-ie snuff. check
This was likely a spittoon? check

JWG? Valhal? Dogmom?

See Val's post #292 on the syringe/Gatorade thread. I'm sooo glad we have these guys around to help us through all this!

 

[2goldfish]

I know that Geo told the FBI clothes, but I distinctly remember him also saying laundry at first.. It wasn't until after the body was discovered in the laundry bag that it dawned on me why it was significant that he said both.. I am sure he and Cindy had a good talk about the gas can day...what he saw, what he smelled.. And she knew the laundry bag was missing, I bet. Especially if Geo told her that's what he saw, she would check to see if it was missing. He changes his story several times... the early greta and cindy interview at home he says he saw nothing.. (that's an interesting watch..now that we know CA/GA better, the clues that something was up with the trunk is really obvious when you see that video) Greta says, were the gas cans stolen b4 or after she went missing.. Cindy says b4..and 5 minutes later, George is telling Greta it was on the 24th..!) and it only gets better from there.. I am looking everywhere for a doc or a clip of George saying laundry.. no luck so far. I don't think it would change my mind though that it was Caylee in the laundry bag. Clothes or laundry..pretty hinky association. Why would she be transporting clothes or laundry in a death odored trunk? And where did they go?

OT and I am so sorry! but if you find it, hollar - I have been working through this too because no matter what was in there it shoulda stunk to high heaven by then already shouldnt it?? maybe I better find a trunk or gas can thread....I need closure...


Back on topic - Interestingly - tobacco is a plant that contains its own insecticide, seen theories floating about in my life that this is the danger of tobacco (although I disagree, another story) could this be the reason there are similarities to insecticides if this is a spit bottle (ew)?

 

[lizzysf]

OT and I am so sorry! but if you find it, hollar - I have been working through this too because no matter what was in there it shoulda stunk to high heaven by then already shouldnt it?? maybe I better find a trunk or gas can thread....I need closure...


Back on topic - Interestingly - tobacco is a plant that contains its own insecticide, seen theories floating about in my life that this is the danger of tobacco (although I disagree, another story) could this be the reason there are similarities to insecticides if this is a spit bottle (ew)?

Didn't mean to wander off topic...I was just thinking about disposal date in relation to the trunk cleaning and where she got the chemicals in the bottle. Sry Also looking at ping maps to see what days she was at the A's for opportunity for her to get the chemicals (if it's cleaning fluids or other)...The A's probably have different and more cleaning supplies/chemicals than AL would...to help narrow down what it may be in the bottle.

 

[magic-cat]

I think websleuths has just busted another myth thanks to butwhatif. When I read this post I remembered I had a professor that I actually had twice for two different classes. In both classes on certain questions he would ask...

"Now, identify and classify the contents of a spit cup." As a cute comment to get you to thinking.

Considering this was a recurring question from him, I submitted this question to him:

"I'm coming to you, because I remember in both
classes I have taken under you, you stated a funny comment along the lines
of "okay, how would you classify the contents of a spit cup?"

I'm hoping you ask that because you already know the answer! So here's my
question.

You find an empty plastic pop bottle (i.e. empty of original contents)
and there is a brown fluid (let's say about an 1/8 of cup or less) in it
that has a smell of urine. So analytical returns this:

From the Crystal Light bottle:
2-Butanol
methyl ethyl ketone
Methyl Alcohol
Disulfide, dimethyl
P-cresol
Anisole
Methyl Isocyanide
cyclohexane, [(1-methylpropyl)thio]-
Trimethylamine
Phenol
2-Nonanol, 5-ethyl-
Benzothiazole
1-Methoxycycloheptatriene

So, of course, it's not urine...I guess the smell is coming from the
Trimethylamine. When I look at this list I see a lot of solvents, some
which could be used as propellants, but also, it appears a great deal of
these are used in the processing of tobacco.

My question: Is the contents of this bottle spit from a Copenhagen user?"

His response:

"Without researching the exact chemical composition Copenhagen spit versus any one of the other 40+ manufacturers of dip, my initial guess would be yes, this is a spit cup."

He went on to qualify himself as to why he has experience at this...He has provided guidance in cleaning up major league baseball stadiums after games. He says, on average, there's easily 100 to 200 spit cups that have to be properly handled from a waste disposal aspect.

So I think we've nailed another one!!!

I guess I'll get party hats to go with the keg.

I brought this post over from the Syringe/gatorade bottle traces of chloroform thread as it pertains to the contents of THIS thread...

Thanks Val for going that extra mile to square this away for us.

So to reiterate:
The contents of the Crystal Light bottle, item Q241 are consistent with and likely are tobacco spit! Yuck and yay that we got that figured out!

 

[RR0004]

Ok so to recap.
There was NO urine in the bottle.
The chemicals that WERE in the bottle can ALL be associated with tobacoo-ie snuff.
This was likely a spittoon?

JWG? Valhal? Dogmom?

But, was there a dna test done on this liquid?

 

[ZsaZsa]

I brought this post over from the Syringe/gatorade bottle traces of chloroform thread as it pertains to the contents of THIS thread...

Thanks Val for going that extra mile to square this away for us.

So to reiterate:
The contents of the Crystal Light bottle, item Q241 are consistent with and likely are tobacco spit! Yuck and yay that we got that figured out!

Next time there is a doc dump that names chemicals in liquids -can someone please phone the FBI lab and ask them to summarize what the combination of ingredients amount to? All this worry over a spittoon! :banghead:

 

[RR0004]

Next time there is a doc dump that names chemicals in liquids -can someone please phone the FBI lab and ask them to summarize what the combination of ingredients amount to? All this worry over a spittoon! :banghead:

So any dna?

 

[cecybeans]

Next time there is a doc dump that names chemicals in liquids -can someone please phone the FBI lab and ask them to summarize what the combination of ingredients amount to? All this worry over a spittoon! :banghead:

Hey, at least we have brainiacs over here that can solve it for us. I'll bet JB is crosseyed by now...(unless he has assigned WS as required reading for an intern...)

 

[RR0004]

Hey, at least we have brainiacs over here that can solve it for us. I'll bet JB is crosseyed by now...(unless he has assigned WS as required reading for an intern...)

Or maybe he didn't expect much of anything as he had to push for these docs to be released. Could the FBI be sticking it to him?

 

[cecybeans]

Or maybe he didn't expect much of anything as he had to push for these docs to be released. Could the FBI be sticking it to him?

I don't think he said "pretty please"...