Question

[why_nutt]

I agree that the time frame doesn't really work. But, things are different when you own the airplane. It's not like it would have left without them, so they could have shown up 2 hours late without a problem.

What time was it when John called the pilot and told him they wouldn't be leaving that morning?

Bluecrab states correctly that a timetable was in place which did not allow for leaving late. Every minute the Ramseys delayed leaving Boulder was a minute John's children and Melinda's fiance would be left high and dry waiting at the Minneapolis airport without being able to receive a call on their father's arrival status. You think John would have had no problem letting his children wait in ignorance for two hours while Patsy cleaned up potential urine-soaked sheets and clothing due to JonBenet's not having gone to the bathroom before she went to bed and then having her bladder fill for the eight hours she was asleep, or even overfill depending on when it was she last used the bathroom facilties at the White house?

 

[Thorkim]

I had forgotten about that slip K777. I also agree on the timeline in the morning. Also, don't forget the other slip of that forked tongue of John's from Larry King Live in 2000. The one where he states how hectic it was and there were so many people around at 3:00 in the morning. 3:00 IN THE MORNING he says. And Larry just let it go by without questioning. I thought John was seepy-bying at that time and slept right thru the night, not hearing a thing. It's due to all these comments from the Ramsey's mouths themselves that make me amazed that no one in LE has these two in their custody.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Here's what JR actually said on the documentary, straight from the A&E transcript:

JR: Burke was downstairs trying to put together a model that he'd got for Christmas and I couldn't get him to go to bed. We were going to get up in the morning and leave to go to Michigan so I help him put it together so I could get him to go on to bed. So he went to bed and Patsy and I went to bed.

 

[Imon128]

John DID falter in the time to rise, on a TV program. They did TWO CNN interviews also , actually had lots of TV time. I do distinctly recall that incident. I doubt the transcripts would print that small of a stammer, but it was a stammer, IMO, nonetheless.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Perhaps you could find a transcript that reflects that stammer or sentence structure that would confirm what was quoted by K777angel as the stammer?

 

[Imon128]

LP, I think you really need/needed to see the TV show, and not go by the transcript. I saw it and heard it. I'd have to dig to give you the exact show, date, etc. Sorry.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Well, K777Angel said it was the documentary, with Michael asking John the question. The stammer isn't there and the sentence structure doesn't fit.

You suggest it was one of the CNN interviews, with Larry King asking John the question. Here's the quote from the LKL transcript March 22, 2000:

J. RAMSEY: We were planning to leave for Charlevoix, which is -- we have a summer cottage up there, we did have. We were going to rendezvous with our older kids for a first-ever family Christmas altogether in Michigan. We were to leave early that morning, fly to Michigan.
KING: Morning after Christmas?
J. RAMSEY: Morning after.
KING: What happened that night? What's the first thing -- what's the first thing you remember, Patsy?

You should notice that it is King who stammered using an "f" word ("first") rather than John.

John's stammer "...which is -- we have a summer cottage..." is recorded in the transcript.

Stammers are recorded in transcripts.

 

[Imon128]

I'm not disputing K777's source. I'm saying they were on TV a lot.

That situation is barely discernable to the ear, but if you're keenly listening or listening for it, you can hear John's faux pas. Sorry I'm not more help in this situation, but I feel it's much more clear if listen to it and watch it.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

But listen to it where? I have a copy of the documentary that aired on A&E. Should I dig it out for a re-watch?

 

[Toth]

I shouldn't bother, things like that are usually in the mind of the beholder, not on the tape itself.

 

[Jayelles]

But listen to it where? I have a copy of the documentary that aired on A&E. Should I dig it out for a re-watch?

Can you record it onto the computer? It could be made available online then. Many computers have built in microphones. All it would require would be for the video to be colose to the computer.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Can I transfer the VHS copy I made from A&E's broadcast into my computer? I have no clue on how to do that, nor do I know how it being on my computer would translate into being available for others on the web.

 

[Jayelles]

You can only do that with a video capture device and the chances are you don't have one of those. I suggest you just record the soundtrack. Windows has sound recorder software which will save it as a wav. I have personally recorded a "hi" to some internet friends by this method and it uploaded just like a graphic and played whenever it was clicked upon.

You would only need to record the few lines above. I don't think the file would be too long.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

Perhaps K777Angel can provide the recording for you since it is her claim and not mine.

 

[Jayelles]

Perhaps K777Angel can provide the recording for you since it is her claim and not mine.

Hmmm. Is LP reneging after her re-listen?

 

[Nehemiah]

Patsy justified her early morning makeup by saying her mother had taught her to always be fully dressed (including makeup) before leaving the house. Since she anticipated leaving for the plane, that's why she bothered with her makeup.

If that's true, I don't think it terribly strange that she'd put on her makeup before waking the kids. Once the kids were up, she'd have no time for herself.

I remember reading that one, too. But my mom always taught me to wear a slip...and at age forty I decided it wasn't always necessary! LOL

 

[LovelyPigeon]

I've haven't re-listened. I don't feel it necessary to search my attic through old tapes. I'll go with the transcript which we have right in front of us.

It's not my claim to establish--it's K777Angel's.

 

[Jayelles]

I've haven't re-listened. I don't feel it necessary to search my attic through old tapes. I'll go with the transcript which we have right in front of us.

It's not my claim to establish--it's K777Angel's.

Actually, it IS your claim that John Ramsey did not stutter and that stutters are transcribed. Who made the trancription you are quoting from? Thanks to your guru, we have proof that stutters are not always transcribed - that transcriptions are 'cleaned up'. I don't have that tape. I will reserved judgement when I see it or hear it.

I do think it is very telling that you appear to be preparing for a rewatch, that you ask how you might get the interview onto your computer - then back off. One could be forgiven for wondering if you did rewatch and discovered that k777Angel was correct after all.

 

[LovelyPigeon]

The transcription is from A&E's programming. I provided the quote.

K777angel's provided her memory only.

I've been posting about the Ramsey case for 6 years and have provided zillions of quotes and sources, and have personally typed some transcripts that wouldn't be available otherwise (I did not type out the 1st documentary transcript in question). I'm willing to back up what I claim to be true with sources. It's only fair that others do too.

K777's post sounds as if she has a copy of the documentary. I think it's fair that she listen again and provide us with a transcript or a recording, stutter for stutter, of that section of the recording where she claims there is something different than what is recorded on A&E's transcript.

 

[Toth]

Translation: Put up or shut up.
Result: The Borg will do neither.

But it is a mistake to ask for 'stutter in that section of the recording' for then any sort of normal voice hesitation will be seized upon even if it is indistinguishable from such other normal voice hesitations throughout the tape. Ofcourse, there probably isn't even the slightest stutter there... but now everyone will claim that there is and that A&E issued an edited tape.