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[Tortoise]

Do you have a link to photo #37 please

 

[Cottonstar]

Do you have a link to photo #37 please

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[Tortoise]

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Thanks. I know I have poor eyesight but where is the significant damage and how can you see it's not a closet door?

 

[Cottonstar]

It’s in the interviews with Patsy, that it’s the actual door to the playroom.

Let me ask you a question. Do you really care about who is responsible for killing JB, or do you just care about being right?


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[Cottonstar]

Thanks. I know I have poor eyesight but where is the significant damage and how can you see it's not a closet door?

Because, it’s not a closet door.


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[Tortoise]

Because, it’s not a closet door.


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Where do you see damage? It's a very blurred picture to me.

 

[UKGuy]

I invite you to take a look at the autopsy photos of JB neck again. The strangulation marks on her neck are rough and ragged. There was a struggle, the marks from the cord are not just from a strangulation by the cord just to finish her off. When i look at the marks I see horseplay, I see the slipnot tightening and a struggle to get it untightened by both the victim and whom ever put it around her neck.
JB was not “garrotted” to death.

I think there is a great possibility that JB was wearing the pink nightgown that night. There was blood on her pillow, and on the pink nightgown. This may have been from her nose, but I can’t be sure. I do know that BR’s DNA is on 4 different locations that were tested on the gown. I think it’s obvious that the pink nightie didn’t come out of the dryer.



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Cottonstar,
I've assumed the status of the pink nightgown had been settled, i.e. it never statically arrived at the crime-scene, a Ramsey dumped it there precisely because it was forensically contaminated.

The origin of the blood will be JonBenet's vagina, same source for the size-12's, etc. Coroner Meyer never detailed any nasal bleeding.

This suggests the primary crime-scene was JonBenet's bedroom, and that she was wearing the same pink pajamas she wore the night before and that the pink barbie nightgown was a failed part of the staging which led to the size-12's and long johns?

So in Kolar's BDI All, Burke Ramsey redresses JonBenet in the pink barbie nightgown, and size-12's. Noting the blood on the pink nighgown its changed for the long johns and JonBenet's size-6 underwear along with the pink pajama bottoms are hidden away, never to see the light of day again.

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[887sMtreme]

Where do you see damage? It's a very blurred picture to me.

I believe that's a detail from a video screen cap. It's on ACandyRose, with the transcript of LS and others interviewing JR and PR about the crime scene photos taken during the "kidnapping phase" and after the discovery of JBR's body. No reference to a door but in the next photo (missing), PR refers to a door hanging off its hinges. http://www.acandyrose.com/s-evidence-crime-photos.htm

 

[icedtea4me]

It’s in the interviews with Patsy, that it’s the actual door to the playroom.*snip*

The only door the playroom has is the one which opens to the balcony.

 

[887sMtreme]

I wsa referring only to the photo posted by Cottonstar, in case people wanted to see the original, but thanks for the useful info.

 

[Tortoise]

Thanks.

I've just re-watched the walk through video of the playroom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNVnldurADc and there is no door at either end, they are archways. No closets in there either. The doors leading to the outside are french doors.

Interestingly there is a broken closet door in JAR's room seen in this video at 22:01 https://youtu.be/uB7Kd81lsGs?t=22m1s which I only came across when I was searching for the video of the playroom. That could be the door propped up in the playroom in 1996 and the crime scene photos I've seen don't show the closet in JAR's room to be able to check. There was a chair in that corner.

Notice PR doesn't say which room the door belonged in and probably DeMuth doesn't know either.

1998

0287/[FONT=&quot] 9 TRIP DeMUTH: This is a picture of[/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 what?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 PATSY RAMSEY: The playroom, that's[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 the playroom.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 TRIP DeMUTH: Does it look normal?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, pretty much in[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 a mess.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 TRIP DeMUTH: 37?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 PATSY RAMSEY: That's just another[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 shot of the same room. That door fell off, it[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 was off its hinges. Something was the matter[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 with that door, so that's why -- having it put[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 back up.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 THOMAS HANEY: So that's not[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 unusual?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-uh.[/FONT]

 

[Tortoise]

both entrances to playroom shown here, shot taken from BR's bedroom

 

[Cottonstar]

Thanks.

I've just re-watched the walk through video of the playroom https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oNVnldurADc and there is no door at either end, they are archways. No closets in there either. The doors leading to the outside are french doors.

Interestingly there is a broken closet door in JAR's room seen in this video at 22:01 https://youtu.be/uB7Kd81lsGs?t=22m1s which I only came across when I was searching for the video of the playroom. That could be the door propped up in the playroom in 1996 and the crime scene photos I've seen don't show the closet in JAR's room to be able to check. There was a chair in that corner.

Notice PR doesn't say which room the door belonged in and probably DeMuth doesn't know either.

1998

0287/[FONT=&quot] 9 TRIP DeMUTH: This is a picture of[/FONT][FONT=&quot]10 what?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 PATSY RAMSEY: The playroom, that's[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 the playroom.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 TRIP DeMUTH: Does it look normal?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 PATSY RAMSEY: Yes, pretty much in[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 a mess.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 TRIP DeMUTH: 37?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 PATSY RAMSEY: That's just another[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 shot of the same room. That door fell off, it[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 was off its hinges. Something was the matter[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 with that door, so that's why -- having it put[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 back up.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 THOMAS HANEY: So that's not[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 unusual?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-uh.[/FONT]

What part of playroom are you not reading?


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[icedtea4me]

What part of playroom are you not reading?


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Is your logic "Gosh! That door is in the playroom, so it must be the playroom door!", yes or no?

 

[Cottonstar]

Is your logic "Gosh! That door is in the playroom, so it must be the playroom door!", yes or no?

Are you teaching a course in logic? Sandy Stranger?


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[Tortoise]

What part of playroom are you not reading?


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Serious?

The only reference to playroom there is that it's IN the playroom. Which hinges exactly are you proposing it came off?

 

[Cottonstar]

Serious?

The only reference to playroom there is that it's IN the playroom. Which hinges exactly are you proposing it came off?

Wait. I thought you said it was clearly from the closet door in the playroom?


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[Tortoise]

Wait. I thought you said it clearly from the closet door in playroom.


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Show me where I said that.

 

[icedtea4me]

Are you teaching a course in logic? Sandy Stranger?


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You don't know how to answer a yes/no question? How sad. How truly sad.

 

[BoldBear]

Pageant Timelines

I thought the pageants timeline would be a part of the timelines out there. They're not.

Best I can get is JB was tap dancing at 3 when John and Patsy realized she had a special talent. That puts it around 1993 either before or when Patsy was fighting cancer.

1994 was the Colorado State All-Star Kids Pageant. And then July 1995 was Little Miss Charlevoix pageant. In DOI Patsy puts the Charlevoix pageant first. She then says she discovered that Colorado had children's pageants in the spring of 1995 (after JB won the Colorado State All-Star Kids Pageant. Go figure). PMPT is a better reference to when these pageants occurred.

PBSworks and acandyrose don't have the pageants in their timelines. Does anyone know of a reference that includes the pageant timelines?