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[Tortoise]

You've probably already seen this BB but just in case you haven't http://www.acandyrose.com/s-jonbenet-timeline.htm

 

[BoldBear]

You've probably already seen this BB but just in case you haven't http://www.acandyrose.com/s-jonbenet-timeline.htm

Thank you, I have.

 

[Tortoise]

Very interesting. That's what I like about probing the evidence, it leads to new discoveries. Why would a door from another room be in the playroom that day. I'm thinking it could have been used as a blockade, of sorts, to prop up against an open archway. Was it a very noisy spiral staircase?

 

[Userid]

Serious?

The only reference to playroom there is that it's IN the playroom. Which hinges exactly are you proposing it came off?

Exactly. PR states that the door fell off the hinges, but she never states where the door was while on its hinges.

Sometimes, I just wish people could simply say, "You know what, I was wrong." I don't know why it's so hard to say that; it's okay to be wrong sometimes -- everyone is. The layout clearly illustrates there were no doors to the playroom.

 

[Tortoise]

This is stupid, but I'm stuck. I've taken for granted that John owned two planes. One is a Beechcraft C90, but I can't find a reliable source for the 2nd one. The Boneta Papers say the 2nd one is Cessna, but that's a bad source.

Also John owned the Miss America, a sailboat. His 2nd boat, the Grand Season, is referred to as a 'powerboat' and in another reference a 'sloop'. I know nothing about sailboats, but understand the term 'powerboat'. They're not the same.

Can anyone point me in the direction to a good source or help me get a grasp?

Looking for something else I came across this and remembered you had asked about the planes -

1998

[FONT=&quot]Plane trips, you said that you had[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 headed to the plane that day, that you were going[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0230[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 1 to fly it out. Did you own it and lease it?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 2 JOHN RAMSEY: I owned it and leased it to[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 3 Mountain Aviation Charter to kind of make it pay[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 4 for itself.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 5 MIKE KANE: Like a lease?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 6 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 7 MIKE KANE: And was that a King Air?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 8 JOHN RAMSEY: A King Air; C90 King Air.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 9 MIKE KANE: And that's a twin-engine turbo?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 MIKE: How many seats?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 JOHN RAMSEY: It will seat,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 uncomfortably, counting the pilot and six[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 comfortably.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 MIKE KANE: And were there any other[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 planes that you owned at that time?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 JOHN RAMSEY: I owned a Bonanza. I still do,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 which is a small single engine.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE) or a --[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 JOHN RAMSEY: Straight tail.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 MIKE KANE: Straight tail?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. I bought it, maybe a[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 year before. (INAUDIBLE) who is another friend of[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 mine said, this is a great deal; buy it for the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 summer and then sell it and not lose a dime.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0231[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 1 MIKE KANE: Was it here in Boulder?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 2 JOHN RAMSEY: No, it was in Jeffco that I[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 3 bought it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 4 MIKE KANE: Who's the salesman?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 5 JOHN RAMSEY: Scott Westfall.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 6 MIKE KANE: Do you know a Grady Parsons?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 7 JOHN RAMSEY: I know the name, but I don't[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 8 know why?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 9 MIKE KANE: He's your predecessor.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. I think I do. He looked[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 older.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 MIKE KANE: He had (INAUDIBLE)?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, gosh. I didn't know that.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 MIKE KANE: Did anybody else fly your[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 aircraft?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 JOHN RAMSEY: Other than the pilots at[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 Mountain Aviation, no.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 MIKE KANE: And how many pilots flew that[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 King Air?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 JOHN RAMSEY: Probably four; maybe four or[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 five.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 MIKE KANE: And your Bonanza? Anybody else[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 fly it?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 JOHN RAMSEY: Just my brother occasionally.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 I know he has recently, but I'm not sure of the[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0232[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 1 time.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 2 MIKE KANE: When you flew, did you fly as[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 3 pilot command or (INAUDIBLE)?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 4 JOHN RAMSEY: I flew as pilot command and[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 5 he was copilot.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 6 MIKE KANE: So you logged in this and[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 7 (INAUDIBLE)?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 8 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. Yeah.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 9 MIKE KANE: And how often did you fly[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]10 (INAUDIBLE)?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]11 JOHN RAMSEY: Oh, I used it may be 60 to[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 80 hours a year.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]13 MIKE KANE: And was that mostly for business[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]14 trips?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]15 JOHN RAMSEY: No, it was mostly for pleasure.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]16 Once in a while I'd use it for business, but not[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]17 very often.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]18 MIKE KANE: When you went on business trips,[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 did you generally fly commercial?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 MIKE KANE: (INAUDIBLE)?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]22 JOHN RAMSEY: Right.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]23 MIKE KANE: I noticed there was some[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 reference about that. That it was a citation or a[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 Lear, I don't know which one. Did Lockheed know?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0233[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 1 JOHN RAMSEY: Lockheed has citations on[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 2 the jet, the Centennial, which technically we can[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 3 use if we pay for it. (INAUDIBLE) company, but we[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 4 can get it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 5 MIKE KANE: Okay. So those times when you[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 6 were in the King Air, it was with your family?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 7 JOHN RAMSEY: Um hmm.[/FONT]

 

[CorallaroC]

Just using common sense, why would the R's place an unused door in their childrens' playroom? No Matter where it came from, that would be worst thing to do for child safety. Other rooms like JAR or MR were relatively vacant yet nearby. This new observation is very puzzling, isn't it!

 

[Tortoise]

Just using common sense, why would the R's place an unused door in their childrens' playroom? No Matter where it came from, that would be worst thing to do for child safety. Other rooms like JAR or MR were relatively vacant yet nearby. This new observation is very puzzling, isn't it!

It is. And if you look at her explanation you notice the gap "that's why..having it put back up" it's not one of the usual [inaudible] it's a stumble from one incomplete thought into another. She loses her words. IMO she doesn't want to say what arrangements were made for having it put back up, doesn't put a pronoun in the sentence, because there weren't any arrangements with anybody, the police could have checked it out with the handyman otherwise. I ought to get used to spotting the lies, they are just everywhere. That door, that child.....

That door fell off, it
19 was off its hinges. Something was the matter
20 with that door, so that's why -- having it put
21 back up.

 

[Cottonstar]

Exactly. PR states that the door fell off the hinges, but she never states where the door was while on its hinges.

Sometimes, I just wish people could simply say, "You know what, I was wrong." I don't know why it's so hard to say that; it's okay to be wrong sometimes -- everyone is. The layout clearly illustrates there were no doors to the playroom.

I have no problem admitting when I’m wrong. I believe I’m wrong about the playroom door now. I don’t believe it was the playroom door laying on its side. It is a door that evidently just came off it’s hinges from somewhere in the house.


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[Tortoise]

Just a little sidetrack while I'm on my search still - this made me laugh - Kane is questioning JR about people's observations that he and PR were physically apart during the 26th


[FONT=&amp]0459[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]4 Patsy was kind of stayed in the[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 5 solarium area, and I would go in and check on[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 6 her periodically and just assure her that we[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 7 were going to get JonBenet back, and but my[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 8 focus was on getting her back, you know.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 9 For me to sit there and you know,[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]10 what are we going to do, it wasn't going to get[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]11 done.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]12 MIKE KANE: What was going to get[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]13 done?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]14 JOHN RAMSEY: I tried to apply[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]15 every ounce of energy and mental power I had to[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]16 figure out what we had to do to get her back.[/FONT]

 

[Tortoise]

Oh here's another one..what a fool. not worried about her being in the hands of executioners...and what is this 'we used to operate on that assumption' gibberish;

[FONT=&amp]0501/2 JOHN RAMSEY: I think I ran back[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 3 up and looked in her room, and I think accepted[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 4 the fact that she was gone. And you know, I[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 5 don't remember, I mean I said I remember I[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 6 looked in the refrigerator. Just -- I just[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 7 tried to look in Places like -- (INAUDIBLE). I[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 8 wasn't looking for her hiding. That wasn't in[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 9 the equation, but, I -- I, I think I just[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]10 accepted that she was gone from the house pretty[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]11 quick. As did I think the police. Of course we[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]12 used to operate on that assumption that I was[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]13 worried about her being cold, you know, it was[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]14 wintertime.[/FONT]

 

[archieil]

I understand they saw that no winter clothing was missing.

Coats, winter shoes and so.

 

[Userid]

I stumbled on this article today and found it interesting, particularly this tidbit:

"It was not the first time that a carefully packaged appearance had backfired. On Sunday, January 5, media consultant Pat Korten had arranged to have television crews outside St. John’s Episcopal Church in Boulder. During the service, “there was a special handout—personalized for the Ramsey family, offering prayers for them,” says a parishioner who was present. “We were appalled, because a lot of people had qualms about believing them by then.” Outside the church was a throng of photographers waiting to capture a sobbing Patsy, exiting on the arm of Barbara Fernie. “They totally used the church as a photo opportunity,” says the parishioner."

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/1997/10/jonbenet-ramsey-murder-missing-innocence

 

[BoldBear]

As I recall, this was the result of the publicist they hired. Yes, it backfired and John was pissed.

 

[Tortoise]

Don't know which thread to put this in so it's going here

Linda Arndt: "I talked with John Ramsey in the den. I talked with John Ramsey about things to say when the author(s) of the suspected ransom note called. I told John that he should demand to talk to JonBenet..."

"Ofc. Weiss pointed out a bedroom located west of JonBenet's bedroom. I entered into this bedroom a few steps, but did not touch anything."


JR's version:
(1998 interview)
[FONT=&amp]0150/3 And Arndt was down the[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 4 hall (INAUDIBLE) in the study.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 5 So then she took me up to his bedroom and we sat[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 6 in this room and talked about it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 7 LOU SMIT: That's called the guest bedroom?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 8 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Well we call it John Henry's[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 9 room.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]10 LOU SMIT: John Henry's room.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]11 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. She had kind of methodically[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]12 went through; look here's what we have to do: when[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]13 this person calls you've got to insist that you[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]14 talk to JonBenet and stall for time. And I said[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]15 why, and (INAUDIBLE) got everything. Tell him it's[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]16 a hard job to raise that much money and use the[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]17 time. But you must talk to JonBenet.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]18 So she was just coaching me on what to say,[/FONT]

 

[Cottonstar]

Don't know which thread to put this in so it's going here

Linda Arndt: "I talked with John Ramsey in the den. I talked with John Ramsey about things to say when the author(s) of the suspected ransom note called. I told John that he should demand to talk to JonBenet..."

"Ofc. Weiss pointed out a bedroom located west of JonBenet's bedroom. I entered into this bedroom a few steps, but did not touch anything."


JR's version:
(1998 interview)
[FONT=&amp]0150/3 And Arndt was down the[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 4 hall (INAUDIBLE) in the study.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 5 So then she took me up to his bedroom and we sat[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 6 in this room and talked about it.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 7 LOU SMIT: That's called the guest bedroom?[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 8 JOHN RAMSEY: Yeah. Well we call it John Henry's[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp] 9 room.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]10 LOU SMIT: John Henry's room.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]11 JOHN RAMSEY: Right. She had kind of methodically[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]12 went through; look here's what we have to do: when[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]13 this person calls you've got to insist that you[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]14 talk to JonBenet and stall for time. And I said[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]15 why, and (INAUDIBLE) got everything. Tell him it's[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]16 a hard job to raise that much money and use the[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]17 time. But you must talk to JonBenet.[/FONT]
[FONT=&amp]18 So she was just coaching me on what to say,[/FONT]

Well, to be fair your quotes are describing two different events.
But, I see your point.

But, JR lied numerous times about what he did/did not say to LA.

LA was sure she knew who killed JB in 1999. However, she became compromised by Patsy, who played the abuse card, and manipulated her into silence and sympathy.


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[Tortoise]

When we checked the photos from a big manila envelope marked as evidence item #85KKY, I almost fell out of my chair, and Peck inhaled in sharp surprise. A picture showed Webster’s New Collegiate Dictionary on a coffee table in the first-floor study, the corner of the lower left-hand page sharply creased and pointing like an arrow to the word incest. Somebody had apparently been looking for a definition of sexual contact between family members.

Steve Thomas, page 263


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Patsy's collateral. Her insurance that JR would not turn the tables on her, since she knew he had asked her to get the cord and tape and she wrote the ransom note. It wouldn't be a random defence made up at some later date, if she had marked the page that night.

 

[Userid]

Patsy's collateral. Her insurance that JR would not turn the tables on her, since she knew he had asked her to get the cord and tape and she wrote the ransom note. It wouldn't be a random defence made up at some later date, if she had marked the page that night.

Yup. Great post.

 

[887sMtreme]

Forgive me if this has been discussed. I can’t find it if so. Were the kitchen floor or JBR’s bedroom/bathroom ever scrutinized for blood traces?

 

[ItzShea]

When I see pictures of the basement, the shower and that room. I get a weird feeling this is where she was taken and abused when she soiled her bed. And made to stay down there all night in the dark. Especially that laundry room and shower area.

 

[Tortoise]

Forgive me if this has been discussed. I can’t find it if so. Were the kitchen floor or JBR’s bedroom/bathroom ever scrutinized for blood traces?

Samples were cut out from her bedroom carpet.

I have a feeling they were out of luck with the kitchen floor, after the victim advocates had cleaned up. I think I see a mop handle sticking up in this photo, unless someone else knows that it is something different.