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[andreww]

This is what's always so difficult when discussing cases like this: you have one side saying one thing (the debris in the window well was never disturbed) and another saying another (it was). I've heard both too, so I certainly don't blame you for believing this. Same thing about the foot-print marks in the snow.

But with regard to the scuff mark on the wall, this is clear: JR admitted to breaking that very window himself, and climbing through that very window, (months I want to say) before the murder took place -- and he never bothered to fix it. So obviously, the scuff mark could have very easily come from him as he slid down the wall and into the train room (if you look at the mark, to me, it looks like it has a downward trajectory, rather than upward).

With regard to the "high-tek" boot mark, again, I've heard two things: that no one in the house ever owned a pair of those boots, and that BR himself owned a pair. So again, it's one of those "which side to believe" things, because I've seen this reported by more "reliable" sources (television specials), i.e. not just on the internet and/or on message boards.

I do agree that the unidentified DNA underneath her fingernails is relevant and suspicious. I am a RDI'er, mostly PDI'er, but this is a factor I can't simply dismiss outright like many can (which is fine, I'm just saying). I can dismiss the touch DNA "evidence" because touch DNA isn't strong enough -- everything has touch DNA -- but the DNA underneath her fingernails is the one thing that gives me pause.

The thing is, John admitted coming through that window whilst wearing his black dress shoes several months prior, so the debris certainly would be disturbed and it would also explain the marks on the wall. If you look at the whole thing objectively, taking in to account that John never even mentioned the window being opened until three months later, and the untouched spiderweb, It becomes fairly clear that it is very unlikely that someone came through that window.

Yes it was reported that the Ramsey's didn't own HiTek boots, they said so many times on national TV. Thats what people remember. What didn't make it on TV very much on TV was Fleet White's statement that he knows for sure that Burke had HiTek boots with a compass on the laces because he'd seen them in his own home.

As far as DNA, you've had the wool pulled over your eyes. Everybody has other peoples DNA on them, especially children. There is no way to time stamp the DNA under her nails so it is very probable that the DNA under her nails had nothing to do with the crime. The Ramsey team was clever, using the media to hammer home things that they knew had nothing to do with the crime, trying to link it to a fictional intruder. Animal hair anyone? Must be from the intruder. Pineapple? Not ours. Flashlight? What flashlight. It goes on and on, lie after lie.

 

[Userid]

Hadn't considered that possibility.
Could it also be subconsciously following how PR types - wonder how it compares to her typed "we're a swell family" round robins that she sent out to everyone? Has anyone seen a true copy of one, rather than a re-typed version?

I had always thought the spaces indicated either that the writer was pausing to think, perhaps re-reading, then thinking of something to add or that the spaces indicated more than one imput, moments the writer discussed content with someone else or waited to be told what to write. There were film posters in the study and basement - didn't they belong to John?

I understand why the RN can be interpreted as hostile to JR and full of PR's subsumed anger. However I wonder if this was JR's diversionary plan - make it about the business and money, put the flak on him, "I can take it" - to draw attention away from the others left in the house. if John had input, then he knew before the 911 call at the very least.

If we could find an original email, and the spacing compared, your "typing theory" becomes a strong probability and with it the idea that PR acted alone on the RN.
If it is her alone, the hostile to JR interpretation also becomes the strongest contender.
Then it could be said that PR is seeking to remove herself and blame JR's personal failures for what has happened.

That's the problem with this case, it's all swings and roundabouts.
The only thing I can be truly certain of out of this whole mess is that PR wrote the RN - I have never seen anyone draft a 'q' like that. If I ever do, I'll phone BPD!

Yes, an original email of hers would be nice. Honestly, everything about this letter screams PR, and the spacing after periods would be yet another characteristic (in addition to the way the paragraphs are indented, the use of exclamation points, the abbreviation) if such spacing was evident in said email. It's almost as if the writer is going out of her way to put two spaces after each period, even though it's completely unnecessary to do so in a handwritten note.

 

[Userid]

The thing is, John admitted coming through that window whilst wearing his black dress shoes several months prior, so the debris certainly would be disturbed and it would also explain the marks on the wall. If you look at the whole thing objectively, taking in to account that John never even mentioned the window being opened until three months later, and the untouched spiderweb, It becomes fairly clear that it is very unlikely that someone came through that window.

Yes it was reported that the Ramsey's didn't own HiTek boots, they said so many times on national TV. Thats what people remember. What didn't make it on TV very much on TV was Fleet White's statement that he knows for sure that Burke had HiTek boots with a compass on the laces because he'd seen them in his own home.

As far as DNA, you've had the wool pulled over your eyes. Everybody has other peoples DNA on them, especially children. There is no way to time stamp the DNA under her nails so it is very probable that the DNA under her nails had nothing to do with the crime. The Ramsey team was clever, using the media to hammer home things that they knew had nothing to do with the crime, trying to link it to a fictional intruder. Animal hair anyone? Must be from the intruder. Pineapple? Not ours. Flashlight? What flashlight. It goes on and on, lie after lie.

I know, and I agree Andreww. But nonetheless, there are conflicting reports out there (television reports, aired recently, that directly conflict each other on the issue) -- that is all I'm saying.

Let's not get snooty with the wool comments. Of course people have DNA on them. There is no time table for the DNA found under her fingernails -- granted. Perhaps, it might not be relevant, but all the same, it may very well be. Victims of such crimes have been known to have DNA of the killer underneath their fingernails -- this certainly isn't some radical idea.

Listen, I'm not an IDI, but I won't simply dismiss every single element to disprove the theory, even when no definitive answer has yet to be provided, simply because it doesn't abide by my main hypothesis (RDI). That's simply my prerogative and I'm sure you'll disagree, but so be it.

 

[icedtea4me]

What I find strange about the note are the spaces after the periods. It just seems like a really big space; almost unnecessarily big. There are instances throughout, but look at the last period of the note before the very last line. Why would the writer make the space so large? I understand it's customary to use two spaces when typing after a period, but this is a written note. I've sometimes wondered if whoever wrote the note was trying to make it obvious that the writer had either a background in computers (i.e. typing on computers) or typewriter.

It looks like you're talking about the large spacing between yours and It. If the spacing had been decreased, it is likely that the word "you" could have been written on that particular line. Instead, Patsy has "you now John" all by itself. "You now John" sounds to me like broken English for "You [are] now [a] John". A john is a term for a prostitute's customer.

http://www.acandyrose.com/12251996ransompage3.gif

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/john?s=t

 

[David Rogers]

Did John really say to someone that Jonbenet was in heaven before the body was found?

 

[TeaTime]

Did John really say to someone that Jonbenet was in heaven before the body was found?

Not that anyone has ever read or heard. He told JAR and MR this when they arrived after the body was found and he told BR the same thing when BR arrived to the Fernie's from the White's.

 

[Tortoise]

Does anyone have a photo of the kitchen nook also showing the phone and pot or basket where the sharpie pen was located? I'm sure I've seen one before but can't find it now.

 

[Tortoise]

JR in his 1998 interview talks about Dr Beuf as if he's a woman. I'm taking the transcriber's Dr Bob to mean Dr Beuf. What's that about then?

[FONT=&quot]23 JOHN RAMSEY: I think they got her on[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]24 medication fairly quickly.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]25 LOU SMIT: Do you know what it was? Do[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]0190[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 1 you have any idea at all?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 2 JOHN RAMSEY: (INAUDIBLE) well it was[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 3 probably Dr. Bob, who's the physician there for[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 4 the family; a pediatrician. A friend of ours.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 5 Cause I remember she came there and she was with[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot] 6 her. I'm sure she (INAUDIBLE).[/FONT]

 

[Userid]

It looks like you're talking about the large spacing between yours and It. If the spacing had been decreased, it is likely that the word "you" could have been written on that particular line. Instead, Patsy has "you now John" all by itself. "You now John" sounds to me like broken English for "You [are] now [a] John". A john is a term for a prostitute's customer.

http://www.acandyrose.com/12251996ransompage3.gif

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/john?s=t

Along similar lines, JR was asked about whether he ever had sexual relations outside his marriage. He denied the allegation of course.

You're right -- as a matter of fact, even with the space, the writer still could have fit the word "you" on the line above. Could very well have been moved down a line to include it with "now John," for whatever reason.This would fit the theory for those who believe PR was "taking something out" on JR while she wrote the note, and that he wasn't in on its creation -- perhaps she knew/believed that he was having an affair. Just brainstorming -- personally, I think both of them were in on the note.

 

[Ambitioned]

so it is very probable that the DNA under her nails had nothing to do with the crime. .

Especially since PR couldn't remember when JB last had a bath or washed her hands.

:shame:


Anyway, since I don't believe this is a DNA case, I am not sure what will change but interesting article nonetheless. Cheers!

[h=1]Boulder police, DA plan new DNA testing in JonBenet Ramsey case[/h]

 

[Userid]

Does anyone have a photo of the kitchen nook also showing the phone and pot or basket where the sharpie pen was located? I'm sure I've seen one before but can't find it now.

Sorry, can't paste the picture itself but here is a link (phone): http://www.acandyrose.com/kitchenphone.gif

 

[Tortoise]

Sorry, can't paste the picture itself but here is a link (phone): http://www.acandyrose.com/kitchenphone.gif

Thanks userid. It was a different one I was thinking of, with more things on the counter top. That one looks like it was taken after the house was packed up.

 

[Ambitioned]

Thanks userid. It was a different one I was thinking of, with more things on the counter top. That one looks like it was taken after the house was packed up.

Could you be thinking of the basement phone?

 

[Tortoise]

Could you be thinking of the basement phone?

I've got that one, it was the one in the kitchen, and I think someone had pointed out the place where the pen was put back. It was probably from one of the programs aired this season. I believe I may have seen binoculars in it too.

 

[Alyce]

Boulder police and prosecutors are planning a new round of testing on DNA evidence found in the JonBenet Ramsey murder case.

They are hoping that new advancements will help them in their search for JonBenet's killer after an investigation by the Daily Camera and 9NEWS uncovered major flaws in the way the DNA in the case had previously been tested.







Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...hild-beauty-queen-s-murder.html#ixzz4SqP0xBvh
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[AB1]

I've got that one, it was the one in the kitchen, and I think someone had pointed out the place where the pen was put back. It was probably from one of the programs aired this season. I believe I may have seen binoculars in it too.

You have reminded me of all the questions regarding "night vision" binoculars.
Police were certainly interested.

From ACandyRose

1997-04-30: PatsyRamsey Interrogation by Steve Thomas, Tom Trujillo
ST: Patsy,did you or John or anybody in the family own a pair of binoculars?
PR: We have binoculars somewhere.
ST: OK.
PR: I think we’ve got some on the (inaudible), I think.
ST: OK. But again, probably like the flashlight, can you describe, recollectthat pair of binoculars…
PR: I think there was some binoculars up I John Andrew’s room, up on thedresser, the highboy, I think.
ST: Green, black, blue, red?
PR: I, black I think. I don’t remember. I don’t think they’re blue or red. Idon’t know where they came from or
1998-06-23: Patsy Ramsey Interrogation by Thomas Haneyand Trip DeMuth
1 TOM HANEY: Okay.
2 PATSY RAMSEY: Uh-huh (yes). Binoculars, a
3 stapler and... binoculars and a stapler
4 (inaudible).
5 TOM HANEY: Do those items appear to be out
6 of place?
7 PATSY RAMSEY: I mean, I don't know why the
8 binoculars would be there.
9 TRIP DeMUTH: Do you recognize the
10 binoculars?
11 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, they might kind of
12 look like -- they look kind of like one John had
13 on the sailboat which are night vision or
14 something, they were kind of heavy duty, but I
15 don't know for sure. I don't know why they
16 would be in Colorado.
17 He had all this stuff up in, the white
18 stuff up in the -- he had like a storage room of
19 sails and stuff like that. I don't know why
20 they would be here if they are, if that's what
21 those are.
22 We had a pair of binoculars up on the
23 dress -- the high boy up in John Andrew's room,
24 more like in a leather case, like a leather
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1 TRIP DeMUTH: Uh-huh (yes).
2 PATSY RAMSEY: I think these are sailing
3 because this yellow thing I think makes it float
4 or something a little. John would know if
5 that's what that was.
6 TRIP DeMUTH: But you don't recall those
7 being around the house?
8 PATSY RAMSEY: No, not, I can't
9 (inaudible25 binocular case.
10 TRIP DeMUTH: But they do look like
11 something that you owned at some point or --
12 PATSY RAMSEY: Well, well, he had, you
13 know, all that kind of gear for the sailboat
14 races they had to have a lot of stuff like that
15 and that, I mean, it looks like it might be kind
16 of more sailing equipment than just like bird
17 watching or something, you know.
18 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. And you think it was
19 night vision stuff?
20 PATSY RAMSEY: I know he had a pair of
21 night vision on the sailboat.
22 TRIP DeMUTH: Is that something that you
23 would have left up there?
24 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
25 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. Now, those are not

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1 like regular binoculars, those are --
2 PATSY RAMSEY: Night vision are different.
3 TRIP DeMUTH: Well, yeah, and quite a bit
4 higher up the price range?
5 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah.
6 TRIP DeMUTH: Significantly.
7 PATSY RAMSEY: Yeah. I don't even know
8 that that's them, that yellow piece made me
9 think of the sailboats that have yellow.
10 TRIP DeMUTH: Okay. But it looks like a
11 strap?
1998-06-23: John Ramsey Interrogation by Lou Smit and Mike Kane
11 So I went up to mybedroom and looked out the
12 window and then I went to Burke's room and looked
13 out the windows with some binoculars and I was
14 looking at cars that were driving by. There was a
15 truck that was parked in the alley across the road
16 that I had never noticed before and I was watching
17 the truck to see if possibly somebody who was --
18 What was going through my mind was, when we lost
19 Beth I was in my office. I got a phone call from
20 my brother and he said Beth is dead. There was
21 nothing I could do about it. I couldn't go an
22 visit her. It was over.
23 With JonBenet, I felt we were going to get her
24 back. And I remember mustering every ounce of
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1 despite the fact that I was just going mad out of
2 my mind and my daughter wasn't there, I was trying
3 to muster logic and reason and, (Okay, settle
4 down. Let's get her back.
5 So after that first shock of, she's gone. I was
6 like, okay, what are we going to do. Let's get her
7 back. And so as the morning wore on that was what
8 was driving me. So I was trying to figure out
9 (INAUDIBLE) watching the house. What are we going
10 to do and all those kind of thoughts. And is she
11 in the closet or in the refrigerator or behind the
12 curtain.
13 Just kind of scatterbrain and just took that focus
14 and so --
15 LOU SMIT: You say you used binoculars.
16 Where did you get them from?
17 JOHN RAMSEY: They were from my bedroom,
18 I think. Probably (INAUDIBLE).18 I think. Probably (INAUDIBLE).5 mental capacity I had to gether b
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25 LOU SMIT: You had said before that

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1 you had gotten some binoculars and things to
2 look out the window. Is it possible you took
3 things out of the drawer, that's just a --
4 JOHN RAMSEY: No, I don't think
5 so, because the binoculars were upstairs in my
6 bedroom. That's where I went to bed. And,s

 

[Ambitioned]

Interestingly enough, I see some binoculars in this video. First frames.

http://radaronline.com/videos/jon-benet-ramsey-murder-crime-scene-video/

 

[AB1]

Interestingly enough, I see some binoculars in this video. First frames.

http://radaronline.com/videos/jon-benet-ramsey-murder-crime-scene-video/

Well spotted! Pun not intended... the thought of night vision goggles playing some part in the night's events gives me the creeps.

 

[Ambitioned]

Agreed. The whole house gives me the creeps.

 

[AB1]

Agreed. The whole house gives me the creeps.

Its horrible, viewing it and knowing...

I don't think that's the same footage I've viewed before, so thanks for the link. Really interesting.

For the first time I noticed that there's another glass and an ordinary silver cutlery knife on the opposite end of the table to where the tea glass and bowl of pineapple were found. Knives out everywhere in this house.