Ramsey vs McCann

[WhereAreTheyNow]

Similarities:
1. The parents changed their stories and timeline from time to time.
2. The parents were reluctant to cooperate with the police.
3. Botched investigations from the beginning.
4. Media storm.
5. No evidence of an intruder.
6. The majority of online sleuths believe the parents did it.

Yet it now appears an intruder may have kidnapped Madeleine after all.

 

[Tobiano8th]

Thought same thing... And probably thought parents killed accidentally

IDI was always much more plausible for MM than JBR

Police might be wrong here but I doubt it.. Just to be clear, this does surprise me

 

[Tobiano8th]

another difference is that the ramseys could be completely blameless and innocent. don't get me wrong, i think most people are reasonably confident RDI

the M's either left their young daughter unattended, either drugged or not........ i'm thinking she could have walked away on her own (not as what happened in this case..... but could have happened in retrospect. and maybe go into a swimming pool and drown).......... the M's were very very negligent. and seemingly unapologetic (i'd have to check though on this specifically)

 

[Tobiano8th]

now that i think about it, having JBR in adult-style pagaents at such a young age was very bad judgement.

but nothing like leaving your 5 year old (??) child alone, drugged or not.

 

[Beltonian]

Something tells me it is going to be another John Mark Karr , sensational but totally untrue. In Madeline case I have doubts they have something serious on that german guy beside that he happened to be in Praia de Luz at that time and looks like somebody saw...

 

[Tobiano8th]

Something tells me it is going to be another John Mark Karr , sensational but totally untrue. In Madeline case I have doubts they have something serious on that german guy beside that he happened to be in Praia de Luz at that time and looks like somebody saw...

i wonder about this too................. i see german police involved though. and i would presume they are very efficient. and they are not under pressure to wrap up a portuguese case.

 

[Tobiano8th]

not sure if my confusion is from reading too much into headlines or whether the press/police have backed off on this some.

seems like this person is a "person of interest"...... doesn't feel that close to charges being filed

how would this person have known the kids were by themselves? sees the parents without the kids at the restaurant and knew which unit they were in (certainly plausible)

 

[WhereAreTheyNow]

not sure if my confusion is from reading too much into headlines or whether the press/police have backed off on this some.

seems like this person is a "person of interest"...... doesn't feel that close to charges being filed

how would this person have known the kids were by themselves? sees the parents without the kids at the restaurant and knew which unit they were in (certainly plausible)

New info coming out almost daily about this and being discussed in the McCann forum.

 

[bambinoti]

now that i think about it, having JBR in adult-style pagaents at such a young age was very bad judgement.

but nothing like leaving your 5 year old (??) child alone, drugged or not.

6. The majority of online sleuths believe the parents did it.

 

[UKGuy]

6. The majority of online sleuths believe the parents did it.

bambinoti,
The German Police have stated in private LEA communications that they have airtight evidence that JonBenet is dead, that they they know who killed her and why, but without a body they cannot charge him.

In this case the Portuguese police play the same role as the first responders,i.e. BPD, in the JonBenet case, and they are in no hurry to admit they messed the case up.

Which is why it has been left to the German police to call the shots.

.

 

[fr brown]

Similarities:
1. The parents changed their stories and timeline from time to time.
2. The parents were reluctant to cooperate with the police.
3. Botched investigations from the beginning.
4. Media storm.
5. No evidence of an intruder.k
6. The majority of online sleuths believe the parents did it.

Yet it now appears an intruder may have kidnapped Madeleine after all.

That Patsy wrote the note is indicated by handwriting, formatting and textual evidence. After she was given a xerox of the ransom note, she changed her "a's" and her punctuation. That shows consciousness of guilt.

(I disagree with points 1 and 2, btw.)

 

[wonderllama]

Similarities:
1. The parents changed their stories and timeline from time to time.
2. The parents were reluctant to cooperate with the police.
3. Botched investigations from the beginning.
4. Media storm.
5. No evidence of an intruder.
6. The majority of online sleuths believe the parents did it.

Yet it now appears an intruder may have kidnapped Madeleine after all.

I may be a minority in this, but I've never suspected the parents.

My own suspicions for why many of us are so willing to head down the parents path, is that, as you've just shown, people compare the story with the JBR story where evidence seemingly points to the family, but also, we're rather keen to want to point the blame.

What I mean is, we are all seeing a situation that has pretty much been CREATED by the parents with their leaving the children alone in the room.

"Who does that?"
"I'd never leave children that young alone!"
"Fancy being that negligent!"
etc

Up until this point, we (and I mean we the uninvolved, both physically and emotionally) have had nobody to direct our anger/disbelief/distress/frustrations at besides the parents because of their "negligent" behaviour, which again, for mine, is one of the worst cases of victim blaming I have seen.

It's fine to have suspicions, but very little from everything I have seen in this case has pointed in that direction, so I find it quite perplexing that we have taken that position.

Anyway, I know I'm ranting a bit...I'm in a ranty mood

 

[scruffydog]

What about Madeline's DNA being found in the "boot" of the parents rental car ? (I take it that means trunk).
I will always believe the parents killed her. (I also believe JB's parents killed her!)

 

[retrometro]

I haven't followed the McCann case closely enough to have a strong opinion about it one way or another, but the main difference that I see between the two cases is a very different timeline. In the Ramsey case, there about 8 hours that are pretty much unaccounted for except for what the Rs say happened. In the McCann case, there's no more than 4 hours that are unaccounted for if one believes that McCanns are guilty, and probably more like 2.5. That doesn't necessarily prove guilt or innocence, but whatever sequence of events happened there was IMHO much quicker and probably less complicated than happened in the JonBenet case.

 

[UKGuy]

What about Madeline's DNA being found in the "boot" of the parents rental car ? (I take it that means trunk).
I will always believe the parents killed her. (I also believe JB's parents killed her!)

scruffydog,
The DNA might have an innocent explanation, e.g. accidental transfer via clothing, someone elses hand who had just touched JonBenet.


The parents are innocent, they never even gave themselves time to do any staging !

.

 

[TTF14]

I never believed the McCanns did it.

 

[proust20]

The JB case is a whodunit; while the McCann case remains a what happened situation. Although it is likely that Maddy perished, this has never been confirmed.

 

[bambinoti]

another difference is that the ramseys could be completely blameless and innocent. don't get me wrong, i think most people are reasonably confident RDI

 

[Tobiano8th]

where do things stand with the "person of interest"?

i don't think saying the mccann's were horribly irresponsible is "victim blaming"

 

[proust20]

The true perp must be able to locate Maddy. I've never understood how the McCanns weren't charged with neglect. They subsequently were able to keep custody of the twins even after admitting they left them alone in the hotel room. Nanny service was available; but, they chose to forego that option.