Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

[MissJames]

BBM: They are simular to, or look very much like, but they can not prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they came from the Anthony home. Period!

There have been cases where they have scientifically matched trash bags as being made at the same time through striations throughout the plastic.The bags are on a roll and have the same striation pattern that is only found in that lot.Since the two bags they are comparing with DID come from the Anthony's home they can PROVE the bags Caylee was in came from the same box.It's been done.

 

[RR0004]

KC lying to the neighbor while she is standing right there with dog is a good example of sociopathic behavior on a very mild level. I am reading a great book The Sociopath Next Door by Martha Stout. It is a great read and an easy to understand book for laymen. I have been learning so much from the WS folks (Brini, et al) that have lots of experience with sociopaths and then this book gives scenarios of behaviors. Anyone that can begin with the mild obvious lies can easily advance to bigger lies (working at Universal) to creating an imaginary nanny for her daughter that she just murdered.

I wonder if KC had been confronted by the clerk at Target while forging Amy's check if she would have denied that, too?

That is a GREAT book...and it sure helped me understand bigtime!!

 

[CuriousTwo]

Do you all feel that CA provided more financial support for Casey than she's admitting? Do you think that maybe CA gave Casey more money than she's admitted so far? This is another thing that's always seemed a little unsettling to me.

 

[CuriousTwo]

BBM: They are simular to, or look very much like, but they can not prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they came from the Anthony home. Period!

I disagree. Forensics can prove if the bags were from the same box - I've seen that before in a forensic documentary.

 

[MAMABEAR]

I can't think of a motive anyone would have had for killing little Caylee, not even Casey. Not a real motive, in the sense of the word.

I've recently been doing some studying on wrongly convicted people and the convictions or near convictions that were over turned. One happened because there was an LE who had a conscious and didn't just want to pin a crime on the most likely available person. He found evidence about the person in question that exonerated him. Instead of keeping quiet to make a pretty case, he fought for the man and won. An innocent man was able to go home to his family after a year in jail because of it. This happened in Davie Florida circa 1994. That's just one case! There are many others that looked "open & shut" but weren't. Another case involved a military man whom seemed the perfect suspect of who killed his wife & 3 kids. Turned out later to be a copy cat killing. A teenaged girl had fallen in love with a convicted criminal who really had killed his wife & kids, but convinced the teenager to kill this other family so that LE would let him go because the "crimminal" was still on the loose. Almost worked too!
If you were one of the people who was picked for the jury, that last thing anyone would want to hear is that you think KC is guilty because you didn't like the way she wore her shirt!!!

Nah! Ain't buyin that KC didn't do this to her precious/beautiful/sweet baby gurl. She doesn't have a way out of this. She better come clean and hope for the best. Her time is short---the cards are on the table and nuttin of it has to do with way she wore her shirt. It was disrespectful but then that whole family has the same problem---disrespect---disrespect isn't what is gonna take her down.

 

[Hollys G-mom]

In Cindy S.'s case the after death weird behavior was pretty much all the prosecution had though, right ?

In Casey's case, I view the partying after the death to be a piece of the puzzle that shows her guilt, just a piece. IMO, that is what makes the case so strong against Casey, all the "pieces" of the puzzle they have against her does make for a pretty complete picture. One piece of circumstantial evidence usually is not much, but when you have enough of it, it can be more convincing than a piece of direct evidence (eye witnesses have been wrong). I really can't point to another case, that I know of, where the evidence, when put together, tells the story as completely as it does in this case.

I don't think AL will be able to keep the behavior of Casey out of evidence as it speaks to her demeanor, after Caylee was "kidnapped by the nanny". Casey's story was that Caylee was taken from her, so her behavior after that will have great relevance, IMO. It is not as if the state is relying only on these party pics to convict Casey.

You listed the other evidence in your post, but even with the trunk of the car we have more than the lab tests. We have a seasoned homicide Detective that testify's to the smell of human decomposition in that trunk, we have cadaver dogs alerting to the trunk, we have the Grandparent's statements that the smell was similar to the smell of a dead body AND we have the lab tests.
I don't think the state needs anything else to convict Casey, but if they do have more, (and they probably do) I don't see a jury coming back with anything less than a guilty verdict.

BBM: Circumstantial since they can not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that KC was the ONLY person with access to the car/trunk. Family members, friends, & potentially lovers all could have accessed the trunk of that car. It IS possible.

 

[Tuffy]

There have been cases where they have scientifically matched trash bags as being made at the same time through striations throughout the plastic.The bags are on a roll and have the same striation pattern that is only found in that lot.Since the two bags they are comparing with DID come from the Anthony's home they can PROVE the bags Caylee was in came from the same box.It's been done.

Yep. Paula Sims case:

"It was, therefore determined that the plastic bag that contained Heather's body and the bags found in the Sims' home were manufactured by the same machine within seconds of each other."

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/lab/fsc/backissu/april2001/held.htm

 

[Tuffy]

BBM: Circumstantial since they can not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that KC was the ONLY person with access to the car/trunk. Family members, friends, & potentially lovers all could have accessed the trunk of that car. It IS possible.

Nothing has to be proven "beyond a shadow of a doubt." It only needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

 

[CuriousTwo]

Nah! Ain't buyin that KC didn't do this to her precious/beautiful/sweet baby gurl. She doesn't have a way out of this. She better come clean and hope for the best. Her time is short---the cards are on the table and nuttin of it has to do with way she wore her shirt. It was disrespectful but then that whole family has the same problem---disrespect---disrespect isn't what is gonna take her down.

Totally agree!

 

[coco puff]

BBM: Circumstantial since they can not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that KC was the ONLY person with access to the car/trunk. Family members, friends, & potentially lovers all could have accessed the trunk of that car. It IS possible.

but since we are only talking about a REASONABLE doubt, KC's going down.

 

[Hollys G-mom]

Agree! KC's big explanation of the Hot Body contests, et al, was that she was looking for Caylee, at the bars.

I know if I was looking for a two-year old, I'd check out all the adult hot spots. ;-)

What if the people who had taken Caylee or people who knew the people who took Caylee hung out in bars/nightclubs. Would you then go in search of the ADULTS responsible at the clubs? Try to gleen some info through the grapevine, as it were.

What if you really believed the kidnapping took place? What if they told you to act normally or they will kill Caylee, go about your normal life, ect. Many people have been told this by kidnappers, the real kind. Don't contact LE, Don't act untoward to anyone, if others ask questions tell them "...." ect.

 

[MissJames]

Do you all feel that CA provided more financial support for Casey than she's admitting? Do you think that maybe CA gave Casey more money than she's admitted so far? This is another thing that's always seemed a little unsettling to me.

Yesterday in the Target thread Sundance brought out the statement AH wrote for police.One section that surprised me a little was when AH said she decided she should check her own account since Cindy told her KC had hacked into her account over and over.I knew of the grandparents account,but not Cindy's.
I don't know if she gave KC a lot,but apparently KC took a lot. A lot more than CA was willing to say during the depo.

 

[CuriousTwo]

Nothing has to be proven "beyond a shadow of a doubt." It only needs to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

So true ... case in point ... Scott Peterson.

 

[RR0004]

BBM: Circumstantial since they can not prove beyond a shadow of a doubt that KC was the ONLY person with access to the car/trunk. Family members, friends, & potentially lovers all could have accessed the trunk of that car. It IS possible.

Yes...that's what they'll call it, "circumstantial"...the lab tests will be deemed "junk science" and they'll even try and convince the jury that Casey is the tooth fairy in disguise...but jurors will not check their brains at the door. Do you think when it comes time for sentencing the defense will come up with mitigating circumstances...such as abuse as a child?

 

[3doglady]

BBM: They are simular to, or look very much like, but they can not prove, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that they came from the Anthony home. Period!

Didn't they prove that the trash bags were from the same batch in the Melanie McGuire Trial? Matched striae marks made during manufacture along with a lot of other scientific markers to prove they were were the same. I know this does not prove they came from the same home but the percentages of the bags coming from elsewhere were very low. This played a big part in helping the jury convict her since all the evidence was circumstantial.

 

[MissJames]

What if the people who had taken Caylee or people who knew the people who took Caylee hung out in bars/nightclubs. Would you then go in search of the ADULTS responsible at the clubs? Try to gleen some info through the grapevine, as it were.

What if you really believed the kidnapping took place? What if they told you to act normally or they will kill Caylee, go about your normal life, ect. Many people have been told this by kidnappers, the real kind. Don't contact LE, Don't act untoward to anyone, if others ask questions tell them "...." ect.

I would go straight to LE and the FBI and get all the help I could.

 

[Tuffy]

I can't think of a motive anyone would have had for killing little Caylee, not even Casey. Not a real motive, in the sense of the word.

I've recently been doing some studying on wrongly convicted people and the convictions or near convictions that were over turned. One happened because there was an LE who had a conscious and didn't just want to pin a crime on the most likely available person. He found evidence about the person in question that exonerated him. Instead of keeping quiet to make a pretty case, he fought for the man and won. An innocent man was able to go home to his family after a year in jail because of it. This happened in Davie Florida circa 1994. That's just one case! There are many others that looked "open & shut" but weren't. Another case involved a military man whom seemed the perfect suspect of who killed his wife & 3 kids. Turned out later to be a copy cat killing. A teenaged girl had fallen in love with a convicted criminal who really had killed his wife & kids, but convinced the teenager to kill this other family so that LE would let him go because the "crimminal" was still on the loose. Almost worked too!
If you were one of the people who was picked for the jury, that last thing anyone would want to hear is that you think KC is guilty because you didn't like the way she wore her shirt!!!

Do you believe that the wrong person (Casey) is going to trial for Caylee's murder?

 

[coco puff]

What if the people who had taken Caylee or people who knew the people who took Caylee hung out in bars/nightclubs. Would you then go in search of the ADULTS responsible at the clubs? Try to gleen some info through the grapevine, as it were.

What if you really believed the kidnapping took place? What if they told you to act normally or they will kill Caylee, go about your normal life, ect. Many people have been told this by kidnappers, the real kind. Don't contact LE, Don't act untoward to anyone, if others ask questions tell them "...." ect.

Who has been told this by kidnappers (that actually followed that instruction)?

 

[CuriousTwo]

What if the people who had taken Caylee or people who knew the people who took Caylee hung out in bars/nightclubs. Would you then go in search of the ADULTS responsible at the clubs? Try to gleen some info through the grapevine, as it were.

What if you really believed the kidnapping took place? What if they told you to act normally or they will kill Caylee, go about your normal life, ect. Many people have been told this by kidnappers, the real kind. Don't contact LE, Don't act untoward to anyone, if others ask questions tell them "...." ect.

As LE has stated before in numerous past cases, if I felt that this were indeed true, I would want those with all the expertise on my side to catch the kidnappers - LE has the training, experience and resources. Me, doing my own investigative work on my own with my limited experience and resources, wouldn't stand a chance. Sorry ... not buying it ... it doesn't add up JMHO.

Also, at this point, it's confirmed that Caylee is diseased, so there's no reason for Casey to hold back info - she can now spill the beans to save herself if that were the case.

 

[RR0004]

I would go straight to LE and the FBI and get all the help I could.

...and gosh knows she knew enough police officers...surely they could have protected her.