Random Thoughts and Discussion Ideas#6 About the Case

[Theonly1]

I've been out of the loop for at least a week. I thought that with the new defense attorney on board that we'd be hit with a veritable blizzard of new important motions. Have any been filed?

 

[NocturnalLady]

Ok...POTD...I figured out in an aha moment...what's bbm? Sorry, it's killing me!

BBM - bold by me. Just to explain who added the bold to the quote.

 

[Tuffy]

I thought he did rebuff her which may have closed off any avenue of escape she may have fantasized about.

I think the Marine guy in California quit taking her calls.

 

[sumbunny]

Ok...POTD...I figured out in an aha moment...what's bbm? Sorry, it's killing me!

(bbm=Bolded By Me)

 

[essies]

I think the Marine guy in California quit taking her calls.

Didn't LE go out to Cali to interview him? We haven't seen that yet-have we?:waitasec:

 

[MissJames]

Hello WS! I am brand new to posting, although I've been following the case since July and reading here for months. I think I have finally worked up the nerve to post. (Don't get me wrong. It's not you, it's me. You're all light years ahead of me in sleuthing. And it seems similar to that feeling when I wanted to jump in on the playground and take my turn in the jump rope, but I was afraid I'd trip! LOL) I've so enjoyed your posts, insights, and all the work you have done.

Anyway, in reference to LambChop's post I snipped for space.......I agree with you. The time for a panic attack was when KC couldn't locate "Zanny" and Caylee and the hours, days, and weeks ticked by. No panic then. Just party hearty, shop, bang, and bop. I can't imagine a jury seeing that jail video and not asking the obvious question---Where was all this panic, emotion, and hysteria during the 31 days you were "trying to find her" on your own? Friends who saw her during that period have stated KC was fine and the procession of them during the trial testifying to that will sink her as will so much of the other evidence. And testimony about her non reaction re: JB Park and the "find" there vs. the discovery on 12/11 will be obvious to a jury, just as it has been obvious to us.

OK. Hope I quoted and snipped correctly.

Welcome! I'm a wannabe sleuth,myself.You are ahead of me in snipping!and I've been here awhile.
And I agree completely.She was not very panicked on the tape from Blockbusters with TL.

 

[Tuffy]

Didn't LE go out to Cali to interview him? We haven't seen that yet-have we?:waitasec:

You're right. I forgot about that.

That interview hasn't been released yet either.

 

[MAMABEAR]

Well, that seemed to git e-body's blood pressure up and put lota fangers to workin. LMFFAO

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Welcome! I'm a wannabe sleuth,myself.You are ahead of me in snipping!and I've been here awhile.
And I agree completely.She was not very panicked on the tape from Blockbusters with TL.

Thanks for the welcome MissJames, it's great to be here.

Yes, KC looks very relaxed and happy on the surveillance video from BB. Not the picture of a woman distraught and searching for her 2 year old. Maybe JB will venture that she was looking for "Zanny" to be in that BB renting a DVD for Caylee.

Back to FAQ to learn more about posting, quoting, and that great thing you all do when you quote someone and it appears in its own window of sorts....

 

[LambChop]

No...I mean could they then bring in her behavior...like partying? I'm thinking the initial evaluation may very well state she was detached.

I wonder if they can use the interview with the Dept. of Children when KC was released on bail the first time where the interviewer stated KC was detached. There were also some other things in the report that were not too helpful to KC.

 

[Tom'sGirl]

Goodness peoples, I've been fixing broken quotes for awhile now, please take care in your posting...........this old gal is going blind

 

[The Eunice Burns]

Goodness peoples, I've been fixing broken quotes for awhile now, please take care in your posting...........this old gal is going blind

I hope this doesn't add to it. I'm still learning the "ropes". (I really like my jump rope reference in my first post. )

Sorry if I screwed up the quoting. I clicked on the quote function for this post though. Fingers crossed.........

 

[chckmate22]

And still even IF they are the exact same items from the A's home, there are more people with access to these items then just KC. GA, CA, LA, and anyone with a secret set of keys. Neighbors who may have had keys for trips or emergancies, any key left outside like a fake rock key holder. Ect
ALL of these were taken into account during the JBR investigation. You can believe JB will also be using it to create reasonable doubt.

Looking at all your post Hollys G-mom..I am kinda confused at where you going with all this??

 

[Tom'sGirl]

I hope this doesn't add to it. I'm still learning the "ropes". (I really like my jump rope reference in my first post. )

Sorry if I screwed up the quoting. I clicked on the quote function for this post though. Fingers crossed.........

You did just fine EB, just great, and welcome to Websleuths.

The broken quotes started prior to you posting so don't think it was you.

 

[chckmate22]

:clap::clap:

Sorry, but why do I get the sense that we're preaching to the choir?


ETA: just a random thought!!

I agree with you RR 100%

 

[chckmate22]

And still even IF they are the exact same items from the A's home, there are more people with access to these items then just KC. GA, CA, LA, and anyone with a secret set of keys. Neighbors who may have had keys for trips or emergancies, any key left outside like a fake rock key holder. Ect
ALL of these were taken into account during the JBR investigation. You can believe JB will also be using it to create reasonable doubt.

IMO this is ridiculous to state this now...where was this excuse last July 15th prior to the body being found!!!!

 

[Searchfortruth]

I wonder if they can use the interview with the Dept. of Children when KC was released on bail the first time where the interviewer stated KC was detached. There were also some other things in the report that were not too helpful to KC.

Now that would be a great one to get in front of the jury ! If the defense turns out to be that Casey was "following orders" from the kidnappers or acting out of shock, those reports would come in handy to say that there were no signs of shock, fear when Casey talked about her missing daughter or she was emotionless when she recounted the events surrounding her daughter's "kidnapping". As we all know Casey doesn't DO emotion unless it's about her. I would love to see the initial psych eval.

Remember the part of the DCF report where Casey said she may get upset when she starts talking about her daughter, but when the conversation does roll around to Caylee there is no emotion, upset whatsoever ? But she does continue to lie about being employed at Universal, telling the DCF workers that OCSO got it all wrong.

Now, I wonder if Casey's story to them about Caylee's paternal Grandparents living in Italy and the deceased father having a trust fund set up will come in as well ?

 

[essies]

Give me tons of circumstantial evidence, like there is in this case, and I'll take it any day over one piece of direct evidence.

A lot of things are possible, it's what is reasonable that matters. Juries operate off of life experience and common sense, it will not be hard to decipher where the truth is in this case. TOO many pieces of circumstantial evidence here.

ITA Bottom line -There was no job!! There was no nanny!! There are made up people, made up e-mails, made up stories about accidents and heart attacks and divorce and cheating and dead squirrels and the list goes on!! KC could write a country music song! We KNOW she's a thief and a forger and a liar-there's irrefutable proof of that!
At this point-any story from KC would be suspect. Her emotions (or lack of ) are suspect. Her performance in court thus far (TY Judge Strickland) has been horrible. She has alienated or victimized almost everyone she has had contact with! KC has stacked the cards against herself! Who will they call to testify in her defense-besides C&G&L? And they will probably throw more monkeywrenches in the case while on the stand! Too many lies to too many people! Too many fingers pointing in too many directions!
Then, KC has that little problem of FORENSICS!! Sure-the defense can try to discredit it and call it junk!! Jurors will see the mountain of evidence and the extreme length the labs did to verify their results and probably be quite impressed by it!:clap:
Bottom line - KC should of plead when she had the chance!! :bang:

 

[cecybeans]

And still even IF they are the exact same items from the A's home, there are more people with access to these items then just KC. GA, CA, LA, and anyone with a secret set of keys. Neighbors who may have had keys for trips or emergancies, any key left outside like a fake rock key holder. Ect
ALL of these were taken into account during the JBR investigation. You can believe JB will also be using it to create reasonable doubt.

I am seriously doubting that, given CA's general reputation in her neighborhood (mentioned by the neighbor that gave the interview regarding Kio) that either CA trusted anyone in her neighborhood enough to give them a set, or that anyone they knew close by would want one.

JB can use a theory of other sets of keys to create doubt, but I don't think it will come under the definition of "reasonable" at this point in the game. CA and GA themselves have lied or changed their stories so much that I doubt even a receipt for a duplicate key would convince anyone. Even SODDI defenses have to have enough credibility to stand up against other evidence against the defendant (in this case overhwelming). The explanation of another key MIGHT have flown if they could have proven the existence of the imaginanny, but that whole story was hanging by a thread from its inception, despite the feeble and amateurish attempts of CA and GA to "corroborate" it later.

If you want to have a SODDI defense that even stands a chance in court, in addition to creating reasonable doubt with the theory itself (emphasis on reasonable), it always helps to sell it better to a jury if the defendant does not come across as a spoiled, remorseless, narcissistic thief who has an undisputed reputation as a pathological liar by her friends (has been accused of being a sociopath by other family members), and the defendant's parents do not, for the most part, behave in public as angry, entitled liars as well. I don't think a class A defense attorney could do much with this case, much less one that is up to his unqualified knees in a concomitant review of his own questionable ethics.

 

[Brini]

Just curious...will the State be able to use the first psych eval.? Could that then lead to her "state of mind" at the time of her daughter's disappearance?

My guess is that the dx was sociopathy. In that case, her state of mind wouldn't be much different than her USUAL SOM.