Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[Leilei]

He has spoken. I'm not sure what more you expect him to say.

Cosby's attorney issued the following response (which referenced Green's maiden name, Lucier): "Miss Green’s allegations are absolutely false. Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lucier, and the incident she describes did not happen." Green was one of the Jane Does cited in Constand's lawsuit.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...lt_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html

His attorney has spoken. Is there a video of Cosby defending himself, or a written statement from him? I would like to see either.

 

[Morag]

Self-promotion is a reason to bring it up. Bill Maher publicly speaks because he wants the attention just as these women want the attention. Beverly Johnson sells hair extensions.

Yes, because it's very likely a woman will say, "oh, Beverly Johnson was drugged by Bill Cosby, I think I'll buy her hair extensions."

And I'm pretty sure that wealthy 72-year-old grandmother has nothing to promote. Cosby's apologists have two responses: She's lying. She brought it on herself.

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[Donjeta]

I can only speak for myself but I don't think I've ever purchased any beauty product because it is marketed by an alleged rape victim.

 

[MyBelle]

His attorney has spoken. Is there a video of Cosby defending himself, or a written statement from him? I would like to see either.

It goes back nearly a decade and has had a lot of media coverage. His attorney represents him. It is the reason he has an attorney but I think he did give a deposition in the 2006 lawsuit that listed all these women.

 

[MyBelle]

I can only speak for myself but I don't think I've ever purchased any beauty product because it is marketed by an alleged rape victim.

Johnson hasn't alleged she was raped.

 

[MyBelle]

Yes, because it's very likely a woman will say, "oh, Beverly Johnson was drugged by Bill Cosby, I think I'll buy her hair extensions."

And I'm pretty sure that wealthy 72-year-old grandmother has nothing to promote. Cosby's apologists have two responses: She's lying. She brought it on herself.

bill-maher-on-cosbys-accusers-theres-no-glamour-in-saying-an-old-creep-forced-himself-on-you/

Beverly Johnson is marketing a book, sells hair extensions and is all about self-promotion. In that regard, she is no different than any other celebrity trying to make money. Playing the victim card is one way to do that. The View would not have had her on if it were not for this "controversy" she's inserted herself into and claiming she's a victim of domestic violence. She admits Cosby put her in a cab and sent her home. It is one of the more ridiculous of the claims that run the gamut of ridiculous and it is an insult to those who really have experienced domestic violence.

JMO

 

[Donjeta]

Right, I forgot Johnson says she escaped Cosby's house before she could be raped. But my point still stands. That wouldn't make me buy her hair extensions.

I am at a loss to understand how and why victims of domestic violence would need to feel insulted because Beverly Johnson, or anyone else for that matter, has had a narrow escape in a potentially dangerous situation that doesn't exactly mirror their own experience.

It's like saying shooting victims should be insulted because someone just barely avoided being stabbed.

I would use the term domestic violence if Cosby assaulted his wife and children but I'd prefer some other term for the alleged victims who were not in an intimate relationship or family relationship with him.

 

[BritsKate]

Beverly Johnson was in a domestically violent relationship. I don't watch 'The View' but in all my googling, they certainly appear as totally separate issues. Her ex was convicted for threats made against her - so I believe it's a bit more than a 'claim'.

I, however, stayed in an abusive relationship for 10 years and my abuser never spent a day in jail for what he did to me - so I'll just keep on claiming.

As a survivor myself, I will just say this: More power to Beverly Johnson...and every single man and woman strong enough to raise their voice in combating violence against women - in any and all forms.

 

[MyBelle]

Beverly Johnson was in a domestically violent relationship. I don't watch 'The View' but in all my googling, they certainly appear as totally separate issues. Her ex was convicted for threats made against her - so I believe it's a bit more than a 'claim'.

I, however, stayed in an abusive relationship for 10 years and my abuser never spent a day in jail for what he did to me - so I'll just keep on claiming.

As a survivor myself, I will just say this: More power to Beverly Johnson...and every single man and woman strong enough to raise their voice in combating violence against women - in any and all forms.

Bill Cosby did not commit an act of domestic violence against Beverly Johnson. It is an insult to those who have been victims of domestic violence because our courts are being clogged by those who file false allegations. An entire courthouse in Cook County IL is now devoted to helping those who are victims and to screen out those who do not have legitimate claims.

 

[MyBelle]

Right, I forgot Johnson says she escaped Cosby's house before she could be raped. But my point still stands. That wouldn't make me buy her hair extensions.

I am at a loss to understand how and why victims of domestic violence would need to feel insulted because Beverly Johnson, or anyone else for that matter, has had a narrow escape in a potentially dangerous situation that doesn't exactly mirror their own experience.

It's like saying shooting victims should be insulted because someone just barely avoided being stabbed.

I would use the term domestic violence if Cosby assaulted his wife and children but I'd prefer some other term for the alleged victims who were not in an intimate relationship or family relationship with him.

Johnson did not say she escaped Cosby's house before she could be raped. She said he put her in a taxi after she called him a moth*rf*cker. Please explain the act of domestic violence he committed?

She says she confronted Cosby and that he shoved her into a taxi. NPR's Eric Deggans tells our Newscast unit that "her story is similar to accusations made by more than 20 other women, some of whom claim Cosby also raped them."

On NBC today, Johnson said: "This is bigger than Bill Cosby. This is about women and violence against women. This is about women finding their voice. I feel that Cosby took my power that evening and that I took my power back."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...bys-latest-accuser-supermodel-beverly-johnson

 

[Donjeta]

Johnson did not say she escaped Cosby's house before she could be raped. She said he put her in a taxi after she called him a moth*rf*cker. Please explain the act of domestic violence he committed?

You brought up "domestic violence", not me. I think domestic violence is irrelevant because most of the alleged victims weren't in the sort of intimate domestic relationship with him where the term is usually used. Someone said they had a consensual relationship before the alleged attack, that might qualify for domestic violence. But I wouldn't use the term for people who got together to discuss career stuff.

Drugging someone against their will is an act of violence regardless of if they're domestic partners or family members imo.

And I wasn't there but personally I am convinced that if Bill Cosby drugged Beverly Johnson and she didn't get out in time she would have been raped while she was out of it. I don't think people usually drug other people just because it's more fun to iron their socks with an unconscious woman in the room.

She says she confronted Cosby and that he shoved her into a taxi. NPR's Eric Deggans tells our Newscast unit that "her story is similar to accusations made by more than 20 other women, some of whom claim Cosby also raped them."

On NBC today, Johnson said: "This is bigger than Bill Cosby. This is about women and violence against women. This is about women finding their voice. I feel that Cosby took my power that evening and that I took my power back."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way...bys-latest-accuser-supermodel-beverly-johnson

Good for her.

 

[Donjeta]

Bill Cosby did not commit an act of domestic violence against Beverly Johnson. It is an insult to those who have been victims of domestic violence because our courts are being clogged by those who file false allegations. An entire courthouse in Cook County IL is now devoted to helping those who are victims and to screen out those who do not have legitimate claims.

Beverly Johnson never said Bill Cosby committed "an act of domestic violence" against her, nor has she filed any court case against him AFAIK. We do not know that her story is a false allegation.

Beverly Johnson is however a victim of domestic violence (by her ex)

"What you neglected to inform CNN about Mr. Burk is that he has a history of threatening and abusive behavior toward Ms. Johnson.

"Indeed, he is the subject of multiple restraining orders relating to her. This includes choking Ms. Johnson and even threatening to kill her, for which he pled guilty, was convicted and a criminal protective order was issued.

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/journa...l_about_beverly_johnson_s_accusations_is.html

 

[Donjeta]

On Monday, CNN pushed back with a letter from Vigilante.

"Your letter is remarkable in its dishonesty," it said.

"I have reviewed the transcripts of the Burk and Gibble interviews and they show that your characterization of CNN's conduct and the discussions themselves are demonstrably false." Gibble is not fully identified, but the letter says he claims to have been Johnson's manager.

"With respect to Mr. Burk, what becomes clear both from the interview and from our research is that 1) he had no specific knowledge of Ms. Johnson's claims and did not know Ms. Johnson during the time period when she claims she was assaulted and 2) he is far from a disinterested observer.

"Mr. Burk essentially says he has no recollection of Ms. Johnson ever mentioning any incidents to him during the time he knew her. He offers generalized statements that Ms. Johnson spoke in support of many different prominent African Americans in their business pursuits, including sometimes Mr. Cosby.

http://www.theroot.com/blogs/journa...l_about_beverly_johnson_s_accusations_is.html

"We also talked with Mr. Gibble and looked into his background. Ms. Johnson says she has no memory of this man who claims to have managed her from 1992-1994. Mr. Gibble was unable to provide any documentary evidence that such a relationship existed. Mr. Gibble gave us the name of a casting agent he said could corroborate his claims but, despite multiple attempts, using multiple numbers over the past two days, CNN has been unable to reach her.

"As with Mr. Burk, Mr. Gibble admits he did not know Ms. Johnson at the time the alleged incident occurred. And like Mr. Burk, our research shows Mr. Gibble also has a criminal history. Indeed, he is a convicted felon — a detail you again omitted in your prior correspondence. CNN learned around the time period he claims he was managing Ms. Johnson, Gibble was tried and convicted for receiving stolen property and conspiracy to commit the robbery of a former client, for whom he spent two years in prison . . . "

It seems that Cosby's entourage is not above recruiting people who live in glass houses to throw stones at the women's direction.

 

[MyBelle]

Beverly Johnson never said Bill Cosby committed "an act of domestic violence" against her, nor has she filed any court case against him AFAIK. We do not know that her story is a false allegation.

Beverly Johnson is however a victim of domestic violence (by her ex)


http://www.theroot.com/blogs/journa...l_about_beverly_johnson_s_accusations_is.html

Beverly Johnson absolutely did link Bill Cosby with domestic violence. I'm not going to belabor the point if you aren't willing to acknowledge the facts. Have a great day!

On NBC today, Johnson said: "This is bigger than Bill Cosby. This is about women and violence against women. This is about women finding their voice. I feel that Cosby took my power that evening and that I took my power back."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...everly-johnson

 

[Leilei]

Beverly Johnson absolutely did link Bill Cosby with domestic violence. I'm not going to belabor the point if you aren't willing to acknowledge the facts. Have a great day!

On NBC today, Johnson said: "This is bigger than Bill Cosby. This is about women and violence against women. This is about women finding their voice. I feel that Cosby took my power that evening and that I took my power back."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...everly-johnson

I see no "domestic" in that quote. Perhaps she was referring to sexual assault, or rape, both of which are violent acts. But you know this.

 

[MyBelle]

I see no "domestic" in that quote. Perhaps she was referring to sexual assault, or rape, both of which are violent acts. But you know this.

I know she said Cosby did neither. She accused Cosby of giving her drugs.

 

[Donjeta]

Beverly Johnson absolutely did link Bill Cosby with domestic violence. I'm not going to belabor the point if you aren't willing to acknowledge the facts. Have a great day!

On NBC today, Johnson said: "This is bigger than Bill Cosby. This is about women and violence against women. This is about women finding their voice. I feel that Cosby took my power that evening and that I took my power back."

http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/...everly-johnson

Violence against women is not synonymous with domestic violence.

This is just a strawman argument.

 

[BirdycatNY]

I see no "domestic" in that quote. Perhaps she was referring to sexual assault, or rape, both of which are violent acts. But you know this.

Additionally, I think drugging someone without consent/under false pretenses/misrepresentations is an intimate violation as well. Beverly Johnson allegedly was able to stop the sexual assault from occurring but BC allegedly drugged her. It's not okay to drug a person without their consent and it doesn't somehow mitigate an intimate violation occurred (just because a perp allegedly didn't get away with more). 1. drugging a person without consent/false pretenses violates a woman mentally/physically, 2. sexual assault same; 3. domestic assault same. Svengali(s) can't magically turn non-consensual/misrepresentation of drugging into a positive experience if a woman was drugged without consent/under false pretenses. Was it malicious if Beverly Johnson accepted a coffee but unknown to her someone allegedly slipped a drug in her drink? I wonder what type of person would do such a thing and the reason(s) for drugging? What type of activities could someone partake in if they drugged another person? Let's brainstorm the innocuous possibilities/reasons for drugging someone without consent/under false pretenses...I can't think of any. It's a violation of a woman's (or man's) body, period. Jmo

 

[Leilei]

Additionally, I think drugging someone without consent/under false pretenses/misrepresentations is an intimate violation as well. Beverly Johnson allegedly was able to stop the sexual assault from occurring but BC allegedly drugged her. It's not okay to drug a person without their consent and it doesn't somehow mitigate an intimate violation occurred (just because a perp allegedly didn't get away with). 1. drugging a person without consent/false pretenses violates a woman mentally/physically, 2. sexual assault same; 3. domestic assault same. Svengali(s) can't magically turn non-consensual/misrepresentation of drugging into a positive experience if a woman was drugged without consent/under false pretenses. Was it malicious if Beverly Johnson accepted a coffee but unknown to her someone allegedly slipped a drug in her drink? I wonder what type of person would do such a thing and the reason(s) for drugging? What type of activities could someone partake in if they drugged another person? Let's brainstorm the innocuous possibilities/reasons for drugging someone without consent/under false pretenses...I can't think of any. It's a violation of a women's body, period. Jmo

Absolutely correct. I would also like to add that Johnson is probably referring to the alleged violence against not only the claimants, but to ANY woman who is the victim of ANY type of violence. That's my opinion, though, and I doubt that I'm alone in thinking that.

 

[ontheclock]

Little wonder rape victims prefer to remain silent and not report the crime.

Yep, huge problem. Probably the most important talking point.