Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[BirdycatNY]

Determining whether a drug was used 30 years ago would be impossible. Determining what the drug was would be impossible. I don't believe LE will not waste one second investigating such allegations without evidence other than a statement from someone who 30 years later "remembers" the pill was yellow or pink or blue. The stories have gone from ridiculous to absurd. JMHO

The alleged BC accounts didn't happen in a vacuum and if true, some of women stated others were around as it happened to them and may have participated in it. I will re-state it is difficult, but not impossible for LE to track down types of drugs JMO and theoretically. Of course, I don't think alleged victim's memory alone could be used to determine a pill but I think + a drug dealer testimony+ expert pharma + and/or a male friend testimony corroborating the type of drugs used if present as some of the women claims other men were. And even if LE investigation doesn't go anywhere, it doesn't mean the allegations against BC aren't true. You put a lot of faith that there weren't/aren't other witnesses or evidence if allegations true. Jmo. btw- I like all your "trigger" words "My Belle" (absurd, conjuring, and ridiculous) not sure if you're directing it at me or insulting alleged victims, but it's Classy.

And while a tabloid may have found someone who supplied Cosby with 'ludes, a prescription sleeping pill, there still has to be evidence Cosby gave it to the woman maliciously since the woman evidently asked for something for her headache. He didn't force her to take it, whether it be an aspirin or 'lude and apparently she woke up in bed with someone other than Cosby. Where is the crime?

You are suggesting that there is nothing wrong with someone giving a different drug to someone that causes them incapacitation and they wake up next to someone that they had previously turned down sexual advances when sober. I think if the allegations are true, it's possible that the men may lie about sexual assault. Jmo but there is something wrong ethically, morally and depending on other facts criminally. I have a problem with this line of thinking in the same way I have a problem with Cee-Lo Green's tweets/justifications. http://www.thefrisky.com/tag/cee-lo-green/

I think if allegations are true and BC doesn't ever get criminally charged, he will mentally suffer just the same. The truth always sets one free. But unfortunately I don't think it's a legally/or/morally positive should the allegations be true and nothing be done.

 

[BirdycatNY]

Cosby's Private Investigators Dig Up Dirt to Discredit Rape Accusers

Bill Cosby has hired a battalion of private investigators to dig up dirt on his many accusers, The Post has learned.

The comedian, fighting an onslaught of accusations that he sexually assaulted more than two dozen women over many years, is paying six-figure fees to private investigators for information that might discredit his alleged victims.

Multiple sources confirmed that Cosby, through his Hollywood attorney Martin Singer, is implementing a scorched-earth strategy in which anything negative in his accusers’ pasts is fair game.

At least one Glendale, Calif.-based firm with a half-dozen former LAPD detectives on staff is muckraking for Cosby, a source said.

http://pagesix.com/2014/12/28/cosby...ccusers/?_ga=1.57953258.1126446268.1335160290

No comment, except let's see how this works out for BC allegations and uncovering the facts and truth.

 

[nrdsb4]

I don't believe law enforcement ever expects rape victims to remember the drug that was used. I've always thought that's why they draw blood and have lab tests run.

And while a tabloid may have found someone who supplied Cosby with 'ludes, a prescription sleeping pill, there still has to be evidence Cosby gave it to the woman maliciously since the woman evidently asked for something for her headache. He didn't force her to take it, whether it be an aspirin or 'lude and apparently she woke up in bed with someone other than Cosby. Where is the crime?

JMO

Even if one discounts giving someone a drug purposely meant to disable on the pretenses that it would help her headache, if one accepts that the woman took the pill of her own volition, it is nevertheless illegal to have sexual relations with someone unable to consent. There is your crime, though perhaps legally only perpetrated by the "friend." I personally would see a huge moral culpability on the part of BC. If this happened, his actions are despicable even if not illegal.

 

[Donjeta]

I am not a lawyer but I believe that in many states there are statutes criminalizing possession and distribution of certain illegal substances and prescription drugs that one doesn't have the proper prescription for.

I doubt the alleged pills were fish oil.

 

[Donjeta]

“If you’re going to say to the world that I did this to you, then the world needs to know, ‘What kind of person are you? Who is this person that’s saying it?’ ” Cosby told his legal and public-relations team at a recent meeting, according to an insider who was present.

Discussing supermodel Beverly Johnson’s claim that Cosby spiked her cappuccino during a visit to his home in the 1980’s the source said, “You mean you never reported it to the police? You never tell anyone?”

The source continued: “The strategy isn’t new and it’s quite simple: You say I’m a bad guy, well, let’s see what gives you the right to throw a stone at my house when your home is also made of glass.”

http://www.foxnews.com/entertainmen...ate-investigators-to-dig-up-dirt-on-accusers/

Ok well I understand why he's doing it but if he drugged and raped multiple people those people have all the right to talk about it, regardless of any criminal history or embarrassing family secrets that they might have. MOO.

My understanding of the glasshouse quote is that it usually refers to people hypocritically criticizing others for their faults when the person is just as bad.

This means that you should not criticize other people for bad qualities in their character that you have yourself.

http://dictionary.cambridge.org/dic...o-live-in-glass-houses-shouldn-t-throw-stones
Assuming none of the accusers have drugged and raped multiple people, go ahead then and talk... IMO.


He's basically hoping to win this arguing ad hominem and while this is a common tactic ad hominem arguments are actually invalid logic.

Rape is a crime regardless of whether the victim's house is made of glass, straw or concrete elements.

Let's say some of the alleged victims have criminal records, mental health problems and addiction.
This does not mean either that A) Bill Cosby never raped them or B) that raping them was OK because they aren't perfect people.

The victims of rape may be nuns or prostitutes, philantropes or thieves, virgins or scarlet women.

No past, present or future failings of character on the part of the victims gives Bill Cosby or anybody else the right to drug and rape anyone.

Why isn't he trying to prove the accounts are factually incorrect? "I couldn't have raped her in Las Vegas in January 1972 because I was touring in eastern states..., here are the reviews of the shows I did there...." That sort of thing. It should be easy to find some inaccuracy if nearly 30 women just made something up.

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Anyway, this is probably a large part of why the women didn't report 20 or 30 or 40 years ago...because they knew he could and would recruit a ton of people to dig some dirt up or even just make up something to discredit and ruin the women's reputations.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Why isn't he trying to prove the accounts are factually incorrect? "I couldn't have raped her in Las Vegas in January 1972 because I was touring in eastern states..., here are the reviews of the shows I did there...." That sort of thing. It should be easy to find some inaccuracy if nearly 30 women just made something up.

Snipped for focus. This. If you can't disprove the message, then attack the messenger.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

ITA Izzy & Donjeta....wouldn't that be the first plan of action....to determine exactly where BC was during each of theses (alleged) events? Of course the lawyers all know where BC was so mud slinging and attempts to discredit the (alleged) victims are their only option.

Most people would be SCREAMING at the top of their lungs to protest their innocence, especially with the access to media that BC has.

 

[Leilei]

Cosby's Private Investigators Dig Up Dirt to Discredit Rape Accusers

Bill Cosby has hired a battalion of private investigators to dig up dirt on his many accusers, The Post has learned.

The comedian, fighting an onslaught of accusations that he sexually assaulted more than two dozen women over many years, is paying six-figure fees to private investigators for information that might discredit his alleged victims.

Multiple sources confirmed that Cosby, through his Hollywood attorney Martin Singer, is implementing a scorched-earth strategy in which anything negative in his accusers’ pasts is fair game.

At least one Glendale, Calif.-based firm with a half-dozen former LAPD detectives on staff is muckraking for Cosby, a source said.

http://pagesix.com/2014/12/28/cosby...ccusers/?_ga=1.57953258.1126446268.1335160290

He has every right to do this, but I, personally, find it thoroughly disgusting. Especially since he, himself, won't answer any questions or speak for himself about the accusations.

I would expect better from "America's Dad". So gross, IMO.

 

[Donjeta]

Supposing him to be guilty of doing what they allege him to have done, it would just amount to kicking the victims when they're down and trying to stand up.

 

[wendiesan]

Where is the crime?JMO

Snipped for focus.

Accessory before the fact, aiding and abetting a rape.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

Bill Maher on Cosby’s accusers: ‘There’s no glamour in saying an old creep forced himself on you’


“This is 24 accusers over three or four decades — that’s a lot of smoke. You have to look at motivation. What motivation could Beverly Johnson have?” he asked, referring to the former supermodel who accused Cosby of giving her a drugged cappuccino and attempting to rape her.

“[Johnson] has fame, she has money,” Maher said. “There’s no glamour in saying an old creep forced himself on you.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/...in-saying-an-old-creep-forced-himself-on-you/

 

[MyBelle]

Yes I know what her lawsuit is about.
Don't worry she won't get megarich because of this lawsuit.

I think the only thing she will achieve is the same outcome as Autumn Jackson.

 

[Blondie in Spokane]

From above link:

“I knew an actress who worked on a movie with him in the ’80s,” Maher said. “She did not say that he tried to drug her, but she did say that for the first two weeks, he tried every day to [sleep with] her, and when it became clear that she wouldn’t, he made it a nightmare for her being on that set.”

 

[MyBelle]

Bill Maher on Cosby’s accusers: ‘There’s no glamour in saying an old creep forced himself on you’


“This is 24 accusers over three or four decades — that’s a lot of smoke. You have to look at motivation. What motivation could Beverly Johnson have?” he asked, referring to the former supermodel who accused Cosby of giving her a drugged cappuccino and attempting to rape her.

“[Johnson] has fame, she has money,” Maher said. “There’s no glamour in saying an old creep forced himself on you.”


http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2014/12/...in-saying-an-old-creep-forced-himself-on-you/

So very true. And it's not illegal to be a creep. If a guy comes across as a creep, why go to his house or his hotel and then whine about it 30 years later?

 

[Donjeta]

I think the only thing she will achieve is the same outcome as Autumn Jackson.

Conviction for extortion? Is there a criminal case pending against her?

 

[Donjeta]

So very true. And it's not illegal to be a creep. If a guy comes across as a creep, why go to his house or his hotel and then whine about it 30 years later?

He wouldn't have got his wholesome reputation if he wasn't able to not come across as a creep occasionally. JMO.

I think Maher's point is that he believes the women such as Beverly Johnson have little to no reason to make this up. The publicity likely isn't the kind they'd need and want if it wasn't true.

 

[MyBelle]

He has every right to do this, but I, personally, find it thoroughly disgusting. Especially since he, himself, won't answer any questions or speak for himself about the accusations.

I would expect better from "America's Dad". So gross, IMO.

He has spoken. I'm not sure what more you expect him to say.

Cosby's attorney issued the following response (which referenced Green's maiden name, Lucier): "Miss Green’s allegations are absolutely false. Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lucier, and the incident she describes did not happen." Green was one of the Jane Does cited in Constand's lawsuit.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...lt_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html

 

[MyBelle]

He wouldn't have got his wholesome reputation if he wasn't able to not come across as a creep occasionally. JMO.

I think Maher's point is that he believes the women such as Beverly Johnson have little to no reason to make this up. The publicity likely isn't the kind they'd need and want if it wasn't true.

Self-promotion is a reason to bring it up. Bill Maher publicly speaks because he wants the attention just as these women want the attention. Beverly Johnson sells hair extensions.

 

[Donjeta]

He has spoken. I'm not sure what more you expect him to say.

Cosby's attorney issued the following response (which referenced Green's maiden name, Lucier): "Miss Green’s allegations are absolutely false. Mr. Cosby does not know the name Tamara Green or Tamara Lucier, and the incident she describes did not happen." Green was one of the Jane Does cited in Constand's lawsuit.


http://www.slate.com/blogs/browbeat...lt_rape_drugs_feature_in_women_s_stories.html

Well how about:
Ms Johnson's allegations are absolutely false...
Ms Dickinson's allegations are absolutely false....
Ms Bowman's allegations are absolutely false....
Ms Tarshis's allegations are absolutely false...
Ms Hurd's allegations are absolutely false...
Ms Ruehli's allegations are absolutely false...
Ms Valentino's allegations are absolutely false...
etc.

Or just, "I have never drugged and raped any women"

Why does he single out this one woman to deny? Couldn't he deny them all?

Saying he doesn't know the name could be absolutely true even if he raped her. Who's to say he even knew the legal names of all his victims? Actresses and models might adopt a stage name. And the guy is 77, he could have forgotten a few women by now.

 

[BritsKate]

Little wonder rape victims prefer to remain silent and not report the crime.