Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #2

[MyBelle]

BBM for focus.

Interesting statement.

Please provide support that any of the accusers' motive is to ruin BC's reputation.

Excuse me? I'm not sure of your question. The defamation lawsuit against BC accuses him of trying to destroy Green's reputation, not the other way around. I think the accusers' motive is money.

 

[MyBelle]

Yet he hasn't. He has handsomely paid lawyers who, I have no doubt, would do so instantly if warranted.

Yet he hasn't. Why do you think that is?

Because the accusers have no money. Nothing for Cosby to gain so why bother? He'll wait until they all fade away into oblivion the way Paula Jones faded away.

 

[rosemadderlake]

BBM for focus

Maybe because she never heard about Constand? I'm a bit behind but has it been established that she did?

It seems that a lot of people disregarded or ignored the little media coverage that was given to Constand's case at the time.

It was national news - I remember thinking what a mess when I read about it, then. The press did go quiet after BC settled with Constand. I'd be very surprised if she did not know - but it is a good Q.

 

[LinasK]

They are taking him to court. I think all he has to do is file a counter-claim.

And yet... there's been no word of him doing that. Why don't you believe the claims are credible??

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Excuse me? I'm not sure of your question. The defamation lawsuit against BC accuses him of trying to destroy Green's reputation, not the other way around. I think the accusers' motive is money.

You stated, and I quote, "Making accusations 30 years later in order to ruin someone's reputation can be considered as defamation"

I was asking you to provide support for your statement that the women are making these accusations with the motive of ruining BC's reputation.

Hope this helps.

 

[ontheclock]

Bbm: respectfully disagree. I know exactly what I would do, and would never do.

--If none of the alleged victims went to a doctor to verify what happened to them after a drugged/rape blackout, I do wonder why? Not to press charges at the time necessarily -but for their own peace of mind in knowing all they could find out.

We can only speculate unless someone here is one of BC's alleged victims. The high profile, fame, power, & money give this case another set of dimensions.

Respectfully responding, rape is a very traumatic experience. Some may choose to curl in the fetal position for days. You are correct about the added layer of dimensions. That only adds to the confusion, imo.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Because the accusers have no money. Nothing for Cosby to gain so why bother? He'll wait until they all fade away into oblivion the way Paula Jones faded away.

I think this history is exactly what BC's legal team is counting on -

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Because the accusers have no money. Nothing for Cosby to gain so why bother? He'll wait until they all fade away into oblivion the way Paula Jones faded away.

Nothing for Cosby to gain? Seriously? How about the sterling reputation he once held?

IDK, just me, but if I were that guy and my reputation was being besmirched right and left by women making up lies about how I raped them, I would be fighting back with both barrels.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Bbm: respectfully disagree. I know exactly what I would do, and would never do.

--If none of the alleged victims went to a doctor to verify what happened to them after a drugged/rape blackout, I do wonder why? Not to press charges at the time necessarily -but for their own peace of mind in knowing all they could find out.

We can only speculate unless someone here is one of BC's alleged victims. The high profile, fame, power, & money give this case another set of dimensions.

How do you know none of them went to a doctor?

 

[MyBelle]

And yet... there's been no word of him doing that. Why don't you believe the claims are credible??

A friend of mine was a Playmate when we were in college. Hefner ran a tight ship at the Playboy Mansion. No way would he have allowed under-age girls or boys to drink or party. It didn't happen, imo.

 

[MyBelle]

You stated, and I quote, "Making accusations 30 years later in order to ruin someone's reputation can be considered as defamation"

I was asking you to provide support for your statement that the women are making these accusations with the motive of ruining BC's reputation.


Hope this helps.

I've answered your question. Please move on. Thanks.

 

[MyBelle]

Nothing for Cosby to gain? Seriously? How about the sterling reputation he once held?

IDK, just me, but if I were that guy and my reputation was being besmirched right and left by women making up lies about how I raped them, I would be fighting back with both barrels.

Neither Judge nor Jury has the ability to restore someone's stellar reputation. They can only award dollars.

 

[MyBelle]

I think this history is exactly what BC's legal team is counting on -

I think so. He settled once but I doubt he does that again.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I've answered your question. Please move on. Thanks.

I don't think you have. I'm not inclined to do so until you answer the question. You're welcome.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

Neither Judge nor Jury has the ability to restore someone's stellar reputation. They can only award dollars.

True enough, but then there's the court of public opinion. Which can be greatly influenced by a legal court's decision that the accusations are unfounded and that the accused was unfairly accused.

 

[rosemadderlake]

Respectfully responding, rape is a very traumatic experience. Some may choose to curl in the fetal position for days. You are correct about the added layer of dimensions. That only adds to the confusion, imo.

Bbm Yes, I know and agree; and we are individual in our response to trauma - I am no stranger to traumatic experience and there is such a varied scale of experience. I guess I know myself well enough that, for me, knowing what happened to my body would give a measure of control over the situation. That aspect has been more important to me than the shame - by my experience.

I think we've seen a varied array of experience and reaction in these women. This has gained traction on the national stage because of power and fame - so I also think it has been a way for these women to master the trauma, together, now 30 years later.

I do not know exactly what BC is guilty of - but I believe he is guilty of something. I just don't think anyone will ever really know.

 

[wendiesan]

Because the accusers have no money. Nothing for Cosby to gain so why bother? He'll wait until they all fade away into oblivion the way Paula Jones faded away.

Do you mean because Paula Jones could not show proof of damages?

 

[rosemadderlake]

One thing that I wonder about for those who were drugged is why did no one go to a doctor? I haven’t seen any reports of any of these women trying to find out what they were drugged with. I keep thinking if something like that happened to me, I could easily beat myself up about my bad choices, hotel room with a married man, casting couch episode, I probably asked for it, who would believe me – all this would keep me from going to the police or a lawyer. -But if I was drugged? If my coffee was spiked, or was offered an antihistamine for a cold, and blacked out -I sure as hell would want to know what was in my system.

I just wonder about this piece because in coming of age in the 70’s, I was hyper-aware, knowing about some devastating consequences of friends, OD, death of an upper-classman in high school, and bad reactions in the playground of illegal drugs. I was knocked out at a Springsteen concert (missed the whole concert) for smoking weed – which unbeknownst to me had been laced with PCP. I found this out later because I made the friend who offered the weed find out exactly what the hell we smoked.

Maybe it is just me – but seeing a doctor for a blood test & STD tests would have been #1 on my list.

How do you know none of them went to a doctor?

I don't - Bbms: What drug did Cosby use? Have you seen any reports or articles about it?

 

[BirdycatNY]

cultures of silence
What You Might Not Know About ‘Getting Roofied’
By Jordan Kisner
October 7, 2014 12:50 p.m.
http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/10/what-you-might-not-know-about-getting-roofied.html

first person
June 12, 2014 8:00 a.m.
I Was Raped, and I Stayed Silent About My ‘Coveted Status’
By Amanda Ruggeri
http://nymag.com/thecut/2014/06/i-was-raped-its-not-a-coveted-status.html
"...Calling police, and then trekking back and forth across the winter-cold campus to go to a police station, hospital, and pharmacy felt physically insurmountable... "

Document Title: Drug-facilitated, Incapacitated, and Forcible Rape: A National Study
Author(s): Dean G. Kilpatrick, Ph.D. ; Heidi S. Resnick, Ph.D. ; Kenneth J. Ruggiero, Ph.D. ; Lauren M. Conoscenti, M. A. ; Jenna McCauley, M. S.
Document No.: 219181; Date Received: July 2007; Award Number: 2005-WG-BX-0006
www.ncjrs.gov/pdffiles1/nij/grants/219181.pdf

Rosemadderlake, that is so great that you would be proactive, major kudos. However, everyone is different and for some of us, it is quite the opposite reaction and some of us speak from our own horrible experience (not by BC though). But I think research/statistics help too in understanding these types of cases better, so I included some links to articles/studies that you may find helpful. These aren't about BC allegations just drug-facilitated rape/roofied/mickeys/etc research/articles in general, but do provide statistics and give some good insight on reporting etc.

 

[IzzyBlanche]

I don't - Bbms: What drug did Cosby use? Have you seen any reports or articles about it?

No, I haven't.

However, I fail to see what relevance the drug he used has to whether or not his victims went to a doctor. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. I haven't seen reports either way so I don't think it is fair to assume that they didn't. We just don't know.