Rape allegations mount against Bill Cosby #3

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  • #641
If it was just an anonymous art collector who happens to be filthy rich without no one ever hearing about him this might be true but it seems clear to me from the reviews that the fame of Cosby was supposed to be the draw that gets people to see the art.
JMO and I have never visited this exhibition but reading about the exhibition it is evident that there is quite a bit of looking at the owner of the art and his hypocritical views. There are lots of quotes from him on the walls and he has been interviewed for the catalog, there are several artworks that are directly related to the family, he gets to say how important family values are to him... etc.

I have seen several art exhibitions with works from private collections and I can't remember any offhand where the collector's person and views about family etc. was as prominently displayed as this exhibition.

MOO the artists have done nothing wrong and I suppose the museum might have had a hard time replacing this exhibition at short notice, but the least they could have done is taken away the Bill Cosby quotes from the walls. But they chose not to do it. Why they even chose to put all that up, knowing that Cosby was accused of being a serial rapist is quite beyond me. Camille Cosby is on the board and the museum director is a personal friend, and there was a lot of money in it for the museum. I am looking at the museum ethics with a severe side-eye.

I understand what you are saying. My concern was only for the artists (deceased or living). I would hate to see their own legacy, talent or historical importance overlooked because of the Cosby's. It would have been better if they had loaned the museum the art and left themselves out of it, but of course that wouldn't fall in line with Mrs. Cosby's job of building her husband's "living legacy" and "family man" image.
 
  • #642
I don't think that is what he is saying.
I grew up watching the Cosby Show and it's spin off's . Despite Cosby being a revealed rapist, we can't pretend that his t.v. show never existed or his historical achievements never happened. We can't go back in time and erase the fact that those of us who were children at the time watched the Cosby Show or those who watched Fat Albert or paid money to see his comedy routines. We can't take those experiences back.
Cosby needs to be held accountable for his crimes. Even if he doesn't go to jail, he is getting the greatest punishment and consequence a person like Cosby could ever receive, a PUBLIC fall from grace based on facts. He may never do jail time, but at 78 years old, for him to have to watch all that he achieved be diminished or taken away because he chose to commit these crimes is torture for a prideful, fake, hypocritical man like Cosby. Hopefully Hugh Hefner is next on the chopping block.

Yeah they'd have to actually charge Hefner with some heinous crime I think, or he'd have to lose the money and the Playboy empire, for him to fall so it hurts... The reputation was worth a lot to Cosby as being a moralist was part of his brand, but Hef doesn't seem to care about reputation that much, so many people have already thought he's a disgusting pig for so many years, and he just splashes forward.

http://www.usatoday.com/story/life/...cosby-new-york-times-drugging-women/30388139/

While Cosby denied he was a sexual predator who assaulted numerous women, he does come off as an unapologetic playboy willing to use any method to pursue and bed young women.

"This deposition was particularly devastating," says Howard Bragman, vice chairman of the online reputation management website Reputation.com. "It was bad before. But anyone who had any doubts about Cosby's actions gets it now."

"It's particularly the callousness and the way he discussed these women," Bragman says. "(Cosby) didn't take it seriously. These are people's lives being discussed here. That's the truly unforgivable takeaway of this deposition."
 
  • #643
The $716,000 donation/tax deduction from CC and BC to the Smithsonian may have allowed the Cosbys to attach their names to pieces on display.
The Cosbys' financial donation was not disclosed in press materials issued by the Smithsonian to publicize the exhibit, nor mentioned on the museum's website.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xhibit-featuring-Bill-Cosby-s-art-collection-

And that attachment could yield a very nice dividend if it becomes necessary for the couple to reconsider how large their personal collection should be.

Even without the assault allegations, the exhibit raised concerns. Some critics frown on showcasing a private collection in a prominent museum because it can enhance the artwork's market value. Also, Camille Cosby sits on the museum's board and initiated the loan, which raises questions about conflicts of interest. Now the Smithsonian has revealed to The Associated Press that the Cosbys also funded the exhibition with a $716,000 donation, which virtually covers the entire cost. Museum industry guidelines call for museums to make public the source of funding when an art lender funds an exhibit.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...xhibit-featuring-Bill-Cosby-s-art-collection-
 
  • #644
Mrs Cosby May/June 2000:

http://www.oprah.com/omagazine/Oprah-Interviews-Camille-Cosby
Oprah: What is the quality you dislike most in other people?

Camille: Dishonesty. I can't stand dishonesty. And now, after all these experiences with people, I can smell it coming through the door. I can see it. I'm beginning to look at people's auras or lack of. My antennas go way up. I'm very selective about who comes into our home now. I don't like people coming into our home whom I haven't checked out first.

Oprah: Because?

Camille: Because I only want people who I like in our home. I don't want people I don't like in our home. I just don't like dishonesty. I don't like a lack of integrity. I think integrity should permeate every aspect of your life. And if you don't have it, I'm going to feel it, and that's the end of it.

Read more: http://www.oprah.com/omagazine/Oprah-Interviews-Camille-Cosby#ixzz3gPxTzBt8

Mr Cosby 2005/2006
At several junctures in the deposition, Mr. Cosby describes how he tried to keep his wife, Camille, from finding out about the women he had been pursuing and, by his account, having sex with. In one instance, he describes how he once planned to pay for Ms. Constand’s educational expenses, not through a foundation he had established that provides education grants, but by “our writing a check.”

Q. And our being who?

A. The family.

Q. Would your wife know about that?

A. That’s family. My wife would not know it was because Andrea and I had had sex and that Andrea was now very, very upset and that she decided that she would like to go to school or whatever it is. We can get back on track.

Q. How would you explain to your wife that you were giving this personally as opposed to using the foundation?

A. I would say to her that there is a person I would like to help.
 
  • #645
http://www.nytimes.com/2015/07/19/a...e-not-to-sign-confidentiality-agreements.html

http://www.washingtonpost.com/lifes...f77c0a-2e30-11e5-8353-1215475949f4_story.html
Bruce Castor, a former Pennsylvania district attorney who decided in 2005 not to prosecute Cosby after a Temple University basketball official accused the comedian of sexual assault, said Sunday that he would consider using newly revealed testimony from a deposition to build a criminal case against Cosby, if he is reelected to his office in Montgomery County in suburban Philadelphia.



If Cosby lied under oath in his jurisdiction, Castor said, “I would arrest him. . . . If not, I would send the findings to the D.A. of that county to make the decision.”

But Castor cautioned that a criminal case against Cosby would be difficult to bring.
Maybe more a re-election strategy than something that's likely to materialize? Cosby had so many lawyers there at the deposition, making sure that he wouldn't say anything that could be proven a lie.

Cosby lawyer blasts release of deposition; calls it one-sided

Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...one-sided_deposition.html#Us465eiQgFVk5cEu.99

Cosby lawyer blasts release of deposition; calls it one-sided



O'Connor said Sunday that he believed the release of Cosby's deposition transcript violated the terms of the settlement.
Read more at http://www.philly.com/philly/news/2...one-sided_deposition.html#Us465eiQgFVk5cEu.99

"I don't hear her say anything. And I don't feel her say anything. And so I continue and I go into the area that is somewhere between permission and rejection. I am not stopped," he said.
http://news.yahoo.com/cosby-paid-women-sex-tried-hide-payments-wife-022606312.html

In his future encounters with lovely ladies, it might be a good idea for Cosby to hear and feel an explicit yes before proceeding. It seems that as a competent people reader he knew his advances weren't exactly warmly welcomed since he's talking about rejection.
 
  • #646
Don't you just wonder if he ever drugged "Mrs. Cosby"?
 
  • #647
I am SO relieved that this despicable "alleged"rapist is, at long last, going down down down.

For the most part I've avoided reading about this story for years. Too maddening and sickening that he was being given a pass, not just for his "alleged" crimes, but also for defaming his victims, simply because.......well, why again? Because he helped sell a lot of jello and pudding pops? Because he starred in TV shows which made him rich? Because the success of those shows increased the wealth of various corporations and agencies and individuals? Revolting.

DECADES of crimes committed, far more victims than we'll ever know about, and without the exceptional courage of Andrea Constand, the "alleged" rapist would still be escaping all consequences. I admire her more than words can express.

Here's where I say, with my heart literally pounding, ridiculous as that is, that I understand the reluctance, and for most, the refusal of his victims to step forward. This is only the 5th time in 40 years I have said: I was raped, at the age of 17, by a police officer.

I didn't know him at all. He just happened to be the officer on duty who took one of my closest friends into protective custody when he saw and heard her, in the middle of a complete breakdown in public, threaten to hurt herself. He released her to her family, who he had called. My friend told me that she felt this officer had really listened to her, and that he had understood what she was going through. I didn't understand, but I sure wanted to, and when she told me the officer had given her his home phone number, I asked her for it. And then I called him.

He told me that my friend had shared with him things he was sure I knew nothing about, but that I should know. And that he would tell me. Because he knew I would want to help my friend. Of course I wanted to help my friend. He told me I would have to come to his house, when he was off-duty, because he was helping me personally on his own time. He gave me his address and told me to go there the next night. I agreed. I went there. I didn't tell anyone where I was going.

I was 17. The first thing he did was to give me a quick friendly hug, at the same time he was saying how sorry he was about my friend and what she was going through. Then he offered me a drink...vodka and orange juice. I accepted it even though I never drank, not only because I was under age, but because I was an athlete actively involved in national level competition at the time. I accepted it because it felt like to refuse what he was offering would be extremely rude, in part because he had already made it and was handing it to me as he asked if I wanted it.

I remember the drink tasted very strong, but as a non-drinker, most likely any drink would. He asked me a lot of questions about my friend as I drank it, and as she had said, seemed to be an exceptionally good listener. He put another drink in front of me, and I drank that too as he kept encouraging me to talk. It occurred to me around the time of a third drink that he didn't know anything about my friend that I didn't already know. But, by that time, this realization didn't change anything. I didn't even think of him as a police officer anymore. He just seemed like someone who really cared and who was cool (having me drink with him, even though I was underage! Wow).

I was completely drunk, of course, and when he knew I was, he told me that it wasn't safe for me to drive, and that he had a spare room I could and should use. It was at least 2AM or so by then. I told him thank you, but that I needed to go. He became more insistent that I stay. I told him I needed to call my mother to ask permission. He didn't blink...he handed me a phone. I called. Nobody answered the phone. Despite that, the fact that he didn't have any problem with my calling my mother made me feel entirely OK with staying. He was a cop, after all, a cop who was trying to help me, who had gone out of his way and who had taken a lot of his own time to make me feel comfortable, and who now was just trying to keep me safe.

I stayed. I went into the spare room and closed the door. He came in a few minutes later and raped me.

After he raped me he told me--look over there on the wall. I did as I was told, and saw many (a dozen or so?) certificates. He said- get up and read them. I did. They had all been issued by his police department, all were acknowledgments/awards for outstanding bravery and dedication in the line of duty.

Next, he said exactly this- "Who are they going to believe?" Told me to take a shower, left the room. I heard him waiting on the other side of the door. I took a shower, dressed, fled. He smiled at me as I left.


I got home before the sun came up. My mother was still asleep. I never told her what happened, never, not to this day. I didn't tell anyone for over a year, and I only told my boyfriend after a year because he demanded that I tell him why I couldn't bear to be intimate with him in any way. Forty years later, married to someone else, I still consider that boyfriend a wonderful friend, one of the kindest, warmest, most compassionate people I've ever known. And yet.....back then, after I told him, after he raged, he asked-- but why did you go to his house? Didn't you think it was weird he asked you to go to his house?

I can't count the number of times in that first year I considered reporting the rape. I believed he would rape again if I remained silent. I'm still ashamed, 40 years later, that I didn't have the courage to at least try to get an accusation on the record. But I didn't, couldn't. I blamed myself (why DID I go to his house?). I felt ashamed for my stupidity, responsible for putting myself in that situation, guilty for accepting the drinks, guilty, guilty...my fault, and since it was my fault, could I really call it a rape?

Even on the rare occasions when I knew it wasn't my fault, I also was absolutely still convinced he was right when he told me that I wouldn't be believed. He was a decorated police officer of many years who had been repeatedly acknowledged for exceptional service. I was just a teenager with a mentally disturbed friend, and I had chosen to go there, chosen to drink, chosen to spend the night.

The man who raped me was "just" a police officer, and though that meant he had power I didn't, obviously his power was nothing in comparison to the power, wealth, and endless resources of the "alleged" rapist Cosby.

It is truly remarkable just how brave Ms. Constand was in coming forward. I hope she feels some consolation in the fact she is essentially responsible for holding the "alleged" rapist accountable at long last, at least in the court of public opinion. May he remain a pariah until he draws his last breath, and, shame on his enabling wife who dares to attack her husband's victims rather than to acknowledge the truth.
 
  • #648
I am SO relieved that this despicable "alleged"rapist is, at long last, going down down down.

For the most part I've avoided reading about this story for years. Too maddening and sickening that he was being given a pass, not just for his "alleged" crimes, but also for defaming his victims, simply because.......well, why again? Because he helped sell a lot of jello and pudding pops? Because he starred in TV shows which made him rich? Because the success of those shows increased the wealth of various corporations and agencies and individuals? Revolting.

DECADES of crimes committed, far more victims than we'll ever know about, and without the exceptional courage of Andrea Constand, the "alleged" rapist would still be escaping all consequences. I admire her more than words can express.

Here's where I say, with my heart literally pounding, ridiculous as that is, that I understand the reluctance, and for most, the refusal of his victims to step forward. This is only the 5th time in 40 years I have said: I was raped, at the age of 17, by a police officer.

I didn't know him at all. He just happened to be the officer on duty who took one of my closest friends into protective custody when he saw and heard her, in the middle of a complete breakdown in public, threaten to hurt herself. He released her to her family, who he had called. My friend told me that she felt this officer had really listened to her, and that he had understood what she was going through. I didn't understand, but I sure wanted to, and when she told me the officer had given her his home phone number, I asked her for it. And then I called him.

He told me that my friend had shared with him things he was sure I knew nothing about, but that I should know. And that he would tell me. Because he knew I would want to help my friend. Of course I wanted to help my friend. He told me I would have to come to his house, when he was off-duty, because he was helping me personally on his own time. He gave me his address and told me to go there the next night. I agreed. I went there. I didn't tell anyone where I was going.

I was 17. The first thing he did was to give me a quick friendly hug, at the same time he was saying how sorry he was about my friend and what she was going through. Then he offered me a drink...vodka and orange juice. I accepted it even though I never drank, not only because I was under age, but because I was an athlete actively involved in national level competition at the time. I accepted it because it felt like to refuse what he was offering would be extremely rude, in part because he had already made it and was handing it to me as he asked if I wanted it.

I remember the drink tasted very strong, but as a non-drinker, most likely any drink would. He asked me a lot of questions about my friend as I drank it, and as she had said, seemed to be an exceptionally good listener. He put another drink in front of me, and I drank that too as he kept encouraging me to talk. It occurred to me around the time of a third drink that he didn't know anything about my friend that I didn't already know. But, by that time, this realization didn't change anything. I didn't even think of him as a police officer anymore. He just seemed like someone who really cared and who was cool (having me drink with him, even though I was underage! Wow).

I was completely drunk, of course, and when he knew I was, he told me that it wasn't safe for me to drive, and that he had a spare room I could and should use. It was at least 2AM or so by then. I told him thank you, but that I needed to go. He became more insistent that I stay. I told him I needed to call my mother to ask permission. He didn't blink...he handed me a phone. I called. Nobody answered the phone. Despite that, the fact that he didn't have any problem with my calling my mother made me feel entirely OK with staying. He was a cop, after all, a cop who was trying to help me, who had gone out of his way and who had taken a lot of his own time to make me feel comfortable, and who now was just trying to keep me safe.

I stayed. I went into the spare room and closed the door. He came in a few minutes later and raped me.

After he raped me he told me--look over there on the wall. I did as I was told, and saw many (a dozen or so?) certificates. He said- get up and read them. I did. They had all been issued by his police department, all were acknowledgments/awards for outstanding bravery and dedication in the line of duty.

Next, he said exactly this- "Who are they going to believe?" Told me to take a shower, left the room. I heard him waiting on the other side of the door. I took a shower, dressed, fled. He smiled at me as I left.


I got home before the sun came up. My mother was still asleep. I never told her what happened, never, not to this day. I didn't tell anyone for over a year, and I only told my boyfriend after a year because he demanded that I tell him why I couldn't bear to be intimate with him in any way. Forty years later, married to someone else, I still consider that boyfriend a wonderful friend, one of the kindest, warmest, most compassionate people I've ever known. And yet.....back then, after I told him, after he raged, he asked-- but why did you go to his house? Didn't you think it was weird he asked you to go to his house?

I can't count the number of times in that first year I considered reporting the rape. I believed he would rape again if I remained silent. I'm still ashamed, 40 years later, that I didn't have the courage to at least try to get an accusation on the record. But I didn't, couldn't. I blamed myself (why DID I go to his house?). I felt ashamed for my stupidity, responsible for putting myself in that situation, guilty for accepting the drinks, guilty, guilty...my fault, and since it was my fault, could I really call it a rape?

Even on the rare occasions when I knew it wasn't my fault, I also was absolutely still convinced he was right when he told me that I wouldn't be believed. He was a decorated police officer of many years who had been repeatedly acknowledged for exceptional service. I was just a teenager with a mentally disturbed friend, and I had chosen to go there, chosen to drink, chosen to spend the night.

The man who raped me was "just" a police officer, and though that meant he had power I didn't, obviously his power was nothing in comparison to the power, wealth, and endless resources of the "alleged" rapist Cosby.

It is truly remarkable just how brave Ms. Constand was in coming forward. I hope she feels some consolation in the fact she is essentially responsible for holding the "alleged" rapist accountable at long last, at least in the court of public opinion. May he remain a pariah until he draws his last breath, and, shame on his enabling wife who dares to attack her husband's victims rather than to acknowledge the truth.

That had to be so difficult for you. The rape, the aftermath, sharing it here, having it in your heart. Thank you for sharing with us. Hugs.


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  • #650

Here's another article for you, from our Canadian media.
He apologizes to Mrs. Cosby (yet again!, makes me wonder if this was a yearly ritual) and then blames women who he alleges are trying to "exploit me because of my celebrity status." Actually, I think Cosby is the one using his celebrity to exploit women by rendering them unconscious. His sick rationale screams, 'women who don't say no and who don't move are consenting. It's only rape if they say no, run away, or scream for help. Even if they scream, or say no, or fight me off, they asked for it because they came into my personal space.'
Cosby reveals so much of his disturbing reasoning. This is why I think some men don't accept that they are a rapist or have committed sexual assault. They spend so much time calculating and finding reasons as to why it CANNOT be rape. They already know it's rape and assault hence the reason why they have to find a reason to justify their actions. Gross and cruel.
http://globalnews.ca/news/2096487/meet-andrea-constand-canadian-woman-cosby-admitted-drugging/
 
  • #651
Hope4More, I am sorry you had to go through that experience of violation and violence. You are courageous and strong in telling your story.

Part of the problem with many of Cosby's assaults is that he drugged them. These women don't have clear memories and some don't know what happened to them, but they know they were assaulted.
Even if these women wanted to go to the police at the time, they wouldn't have any other details to give investigators. That is part of Cosby's technique. He knows that his accusers will appear to be lying since they have no idea what happened. This is how he has been able to easily label them as liars.
I am glad these women now have each other, near or far, to come together and say, "Hi, My name is.... he did this to me too. You are not alone."
 
  • #652
He's like a slippery eel.
http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/wireStory/excerpts-bill-cosbys-2005-deposition-32553615
Q: I want to understand what you mean by having a romantic interest in someone who is not your wife.

A: I use the word — and because a person is not my wife, if I use the word romance, whether it's my wife or not, it does not mean sex. We can use the word sex when sex is there. I don't have a problem with that. But if you're trying to put words or inferences in my statements, I have a problem.

Q: You'll agree with me this romantic interest you had with Andrea led to sexual contact?

A: Yes.

Q: Now, having clarified that. So we understand that romantic interest would include some kind of sexual conduct?

A: No. I disagree with your putting words in my mouth. Every romance does not lead to sex. So, if you ask me if I agree, I have to disagree whether it's without my wife or with my wife.

Q: What do you mean when you said that you developed a romantic interest in Andrea the first time you saw her?

A: Romance in terms of steps that will lead to some kind of permission or no permission or how you go about getting to wherever you're going to wind up.

Q: Permission for what?

A: Any number of things. Whatever the two people want together.

Q: In a sexual context?

A: Doesn't necessarily mean sexual.

Q: Permission to do what?

A: Permission to do whatever the two people accept.

Q: Go fishing?

A: No. You're the fisher person. I'm not fishing. I'm trying to get you to make clarity before you put words in my mouth.

Q: I'm not putting words in your mouth.





For such a successful career that relied on words he has a knack for word salad...

"Romance in terms of steps that will lead to some kind of permission or no permission or how you go about getting to wherever you're going to wind up."

What does that even mean? He could be talking about applying for a driving licence even...

Romance is anything you have to do in order to get to do whatever it is you've decided that you and the woman in question should wind up doing, whether there is her permission or no permission`?

At this point the women could all turn out to be liars and it was all consensual and Cosby never drugged and raped anyone, and he'd STILL be a deeply unpleasant person, just based on his admissions.
 
  • #653
I am SO relieved that this despicable "alleged"rapist is, at long last, going down down down.

For the most part I've avoided reading about this story for years. Too maddening and sickening that he was being given a pass, not just for his "alleged" crimes, but also for defaming his victims, simply because.......well, why again? Because he helped sell a lot of jello and pudding pops? Because he starred in TV shows which made him rich? Because the success of those shows increased the wealth of various corporations and agencies and individuals? Revolting.

DECADES of crimes committed, far more victims than we'll ever know about, and without the exceptional courage of Andrea Constand, the "alleged" rapist would still be escaping all consequences. I admire her more than words can express.

Here's where I say, with my heart literally pounding, ridiculous as that is, that I understand the reluctance, and for most, the refusal of his victims to step forward. This is only the 5th time in 40 years I have said: I was raped, at the age of 17, by a police officer.

I didn't know him at all. He just happened to be the officer on duty who took one of my closest friends into protective custody when he saw and heard her, in the middle of a complete breakdown in public, threaten to hurt herself. He released her to her family, who he had called. My friend told me that she felt this officer had really listened to her, and that he had understood what she was going through. I didn't understand, but I sure wanted to, and when she told me the officer had given her his home phone number, I asked her for it. And then I called him.

He told me that my friend had shared with him things he was sure I knew nothing about, but that I should know. And that he would tell me. Because he knew I would want to help my friend. Of course I wanted to help my friend. He told me I would have to come to his house, when he was off-duty, because he was helping me personally on his own time. He gave me his address and told me to go there the next night. I agreed. I went there. I didn't tell anyone where I was going.

I was 17. The first thing he did was to give me a quick friendly hug, at the same time he was saying how sorry he was about my friend and what she was going through. Then he offered me a drink...vodka and orange juice. I accepted it even though I never drank, not only because I was under age, but because I was an athlete actively involved in national level competition at the time. I accepted it because it felt like to refuse what he was offering would be extremely rude, in part because he had already made it and was handing it to me as he asked if I wanted it.

I remember the drink tasted very strong, but as a non-drinker, most likely any drink would. He asked me a lot of questions about my friend as I drank it, and as she had said, seemed to be an exceptionally good listener. He put another drink in front of me, and I drank that too as he kept encouraging me to talk. It occurred to me around the time of a third drink that he didn't know anything about my friend that I didn't already know. But, by that time, this realization didn't change anything. I didn't even think of him as a police officer anymore. He just seemed like someone who really cared and who was cool (having me drink with him, even though I was underage! Wow).

I was completely drunk, of course, and when he knew I was, he told me that it wasn't safe for me to drive, and that he had a spare room I could and should use. It was at least 2AM or so by then. I told him thank you, but that I needed to go. He became more insistent that I stay. I told him I needed to call my mother to ask permission. He didn't blink...he handed me a phone. I called. Nobody answered the phone. Despite that, the fact that he didn't have any problem with my calling my mother made me feel entirely OK with staying. He was a cop, after all, a cop who was trying to help me, who had gone out of his way and who had taken a lot of his own time to make me feel comfortable, and who now was just trying to keep me safe.

I stayed. I went into the spare room and closed the door. He came in a few minutes later and raped me.

After he raped me he told me--look over there on the wall. I did as I was told, and saw many (a dozen or so?) certificates. He said- get up and read them. I did. They had all been issued by his police department, all were acknowledgments/awards for outstanding bravery and dedication in the line of duty.

Next, he said exactly this- "Who are they going to believe?" Told me to take a shower, left the room. I heard him waiting on the other side of the door. I took a shower, dressed, fled. He smiled at me as I left.


I got home before the sun came up. My mother was still asleep. I never told her what happened, never, not to this day. I didn't tell anyone for over a year, and I only told my boyfriend after a year because he demanded that I tell him why I couldn't bear to be intimate with him in any way. Forty years later, married to someone else, I still consider that boyfriend a wonderful friend, one of the kindest, warmest, most compassionate people I've ever known. And yet.....back then, after I told him, after he raged, he asked-- but why did you go to his house? Didn't you think it was weird he asked you to go to his house?

I can't count the number of times in that first year I considered reporting the rape. I believed he would rape again if I remained silent. I'm still ashamed, 40 years later, that I didn't have the courage to at least try to get an accusation on the record. But I didn't, couldn't. I blamed myself (why DID I go to his house?). I felt ashamed for my stupidity, responsible for putting myself in that situation, guilty for accepting the drinks, guilty, guilty...my fault, and since it was my fault, could I really call it a rape?

Even on the rare occasions when I knew it wasn't my fault, I also was absolutely still convinced he was right when he told me that I wouldn't be believed. He was a decorated police officer of many years who had been repeatedly acknowledged for exceptional service. I was just a teenager with a mentally disturbed friend, and I had chosen to go there, chosen to drink, chosen to spend the night.

The man who raped me was "just" a police officer, and though that meant he had power I didn't, obviously his power was nothing in comparison to the power, wealth, and endless resources of the "alleged" rapist Cosby.

It is truly remarkable just how brave Ms. Constand was in coming forward. I hope she feels some consolation in the fact she is essentially responsible for holding the "alleged" rapist accountable at long last, at least in the court of public opinion. May he remain a pariah until he draws his last breath, and, shame on his enabling wife who dares to attack her husband's victims rather than to acknowledge the truth.

Yep, all bold, because I'm madder than a wet hornet! Hope, I am so very sorry that you had to go through this. We need to catch HIM out and beat the mortal hail out of him. I'm mad for all the VICTIMS he has left behind. Mad because he stirs up memories in people that didn't need his type of memories. He nauseates me to no end!!
 
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(((((((Hope4More))))))))

Your absolute strength and bravery brings tears to my eyes :heartluv:



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Yep, all bold, because I'm madder than a wet hornet! Hope, I am so very sorry that you had to go through this. We need to catch HIM out and beat the mortal hail out of him. I'm mad for all the VICTIMS he has left behind. Mad because he stirs up memories in people that didn't need his type of memories. He nauseates me to no end!!


He's dead. He died at age 70 in 2013. His obituary noted his distinguished and long career in law enforcement, which ended when he retired, not because he was forced out for being a rapist. His obituary also referenced his 2 Marine Corps combat tours in Vietnam during the 1960's. He was in fact accorded a full honors military burial.

If he had other victims they too were silent, or silenced after speaking up, because he was clearly never held accountable. I'm sorry too, but not for myself. I appreciate the support here, but it is genuinely undeserved. I should have reported him, no matter how difficult or impossible that seemed back then. Who knows how many other women were victimized by him because I stayed silent. The guilt I feel about that remains.

As I said earlier, I'm in awe of Ms. Comstand's courage. What she went through after she reported being raped was terrible, but any "alleged" rapes that occurred after she reported her rapist are not even in the very slightest little bit her responsibility. I'm willing to bet she's very aware of the difference that makes in being able to heal.
 
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Hope4More, I am sorry you had to go through that experience of violation and violence. You are courageous and strong in telling your story.

Part of the problem with many of Cosby's assaults is that he drugged them. These women don't have clear memories and some don't know what happened to them, but they know they were assaulted.
Even if these women wanted to go to the police at the time, they wouldn't have any other details to give investigators. That is part of Cosby's technique. He knows that his accusers will appear to be lying since they have no idea what happened. This is how he has been able to easily label them as liars.
I am glad these women now have each other, near or far, to come together and say, "Hi, My name is.... he did this to me too. You are not alone."



You're probably right that the lack of clear memories prevented many or most of the dozens of women he drugged and attacked from reporting him, and that drugging his victims was his preferred MO. But....one of his victims (Sammy Davis Jr.'s "road wife," a "friend" of the rapist) has said he didn't drug her, that he attacked her minutes after she walked into his hotel room, bringing him the food he had asked her to pick up for him.

IMO it's extremely likely that he raped other women he knew and who trusted him, without drugging them, and that these victims remained silent because to speak up was to risk hurting husbands/partners, both emotionally and in terms of the alleged "rapist" being able to destroy their careers.

As for being able to call his victims liars. No matter who and how many victims did step forward, he lied about them with impunity for years and years and years- and actually, he has never stopped doing so, or at least, never stopped sending out his paid morally bankrupt lackeys to do his dirty work.
 
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I never read where any one else has seen this, but in the pictures I have seen with her and Bill, she just seems to sit there with a big smile, while the interviewer and Bill were talking. I mean this is serious stuff and she just kept smiling. Reminded me of Stepford wives.
 
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I never read where any one else has seen this, but in the pictures I have seen with her and Bill, she just seems to sit there with a big smile, while the interviewer and Bill were talking. I mean this is serious stuff and she just kept smiling. Reminded me of Stepford wives.
I agree with you, seems so off! And the pictures they keep showing of the daughter and wife walking out of some event (daughter in white dress) with BC, the daughter has this huge weird smile... every time I see it, I'm just awestruck at how odd and strange it seems, or they seem.
 
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He's dead. He died at age 70 in 2013. His obituary noted his distinguished and long career in law enforcement, which ended when he retired, not because he was forced out for being a rapist. His obituary also referenced his 2 Marine Corps combat tours in Vietnam during the 1960's. He was in fact accorded a full honors military burial.

If he had other victims they too were silent, or silenced after speaking up, because he was clearly never held accountable. I'm sorry too, but not for myself. I appreciate the support here, but it is genuinely undeserved. I should have reported him, no matter how difficult or impossible that seemed back then. Who knows how many other women were victimized by him because I stayed silent. The guilt I feel about that remains.

As I said earlier, I'm in awe of Ms. Comstand's courage. What she went through after she reported being raped was terrible, but any "alleged" rapes that occurred after she reported her rapist are not even in the very slightest little bit her responsibility. I'm willing to bet she's very aware of the difference that makes in being able to heal.

FWIW, Hopes4More, all the responsibility lies on the rapist's shoulders for every hurt he caused. Any women victimized by him were hurt because he was a sadistic pig, not because you were a normal human being who was traumatized and in a state of shock.

The sexual predator who pushed you into such a vulnerable position played on your innocence, your inexperience and your trust. He knew exactly what he was doing, and you were too young to have had a clue. From your description, you were far from his first victim. He felt safe because he was in a position of authority and power over you and had a military and police history which, fourty years ago, was pretty much unassailable. Easy to say, hard to accept, perhaps, but there is no guilt for you. None. Only for him. All for him.

When rape victims are told outright, or it is implied, that reporting the rapist will keep him from raping again, I think it is just a way of displacing blame from the perpetrator to his victim. Circumstances vary, and I believe that making a rape victim feel responsible for future rapes is an incredible burden to be pushed onto someone who is already carrying too much shame and guilt. And that pain can make a victim mute.

Breaking your silence about such a painful part of your life is a huge step to take. And, by taking it, you are allowing other victims to realize that they were not alone in their reactions. That their attackers were responsible for their own actions. Your revelation of something so incredibly personal is in itself an act of bravery. And I admire you for sharing your story.

At the same time, I understand what you are saying. It can be very difficult to accept what we see as praise because we, ourselves, are our own harshest critics. I think we are much more likely to focus on what we see as missed opportunities or errors of judgement and then berate ourselves rather than giving ourselves a chance to see how we have affected other people in a positive way.

For instance, I think that by sharing your experience, you've given some readers a better understanding of what could happen and things of which they should be aware. You've given other readers a chance to put down the load of guilt and shame they are carrying, because you have given voice to what they have suffered. Still other readers may now have a better understanding of the cruelty and coldness of a rapist and the devastation of a victim of this heinous crime.

Thank you for telling us what happened to you.
 
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July 20, 2015
DEADLINE EXCLUSIVE: Bill Cosby has been cut from an upcoming documentary about black stuntmen. The film, Painted Down, explores the age-old practice of applying blackface to white stuntmen so they can double for black actors. The Black Stuntmen’s Association has also removed a tribute to Cosby from its website.
“Cosby is no longer attached to the project,” said the film’s producer, Nonie Robinson. “We were the last project standing behind him, but now with Whoopi (Goldberg) and CAA pulling the plug, we must also disassociate and cut all ties with Cosby. It’s the right thing to do in light of the recent court deposition being made public. more at link: https://www.yahoo.com/movies/bill-c...men-124594184102.html?soc_src=mail&soc_trk=ma
 
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