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The red vehicle is the one closest to the outside in that double-parked positioning.

No the RAV 4 is closest to the road--the red car was probably there and pushed or moved over to make room for the RAV 4. Look at the picture above--in the lower right had corner you can see gravel...
 
No that is not correct. If you look at this photo you will clearly see that not only was the RAV4 positioned on the outside of the row, it was also facing the opposite direction it would have been. The red car was actually just a bit inside of the rest of the row of cars, leaving just enough space to park the RAV4 right up against it and still leave enough space to drive through. So we have a vehicle that is obviously driving in the opposite direction typically being used to park cars in that location, parked directly next to the red car with no way to exit the vehicle from the driver's side without climbing over to the passenger side.

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To me, that could mean several things. The person who parked it wasn't that familiar with the property. Was an idiot who doesn't know how to park. The person who parked it was in an extreme hurry and hadn't thought through exactly how to park. The car wasn't driven to that location and instead was towed.

From the picture on the page before (the aerial picture) cars are parking in both directions, so there would be no standard way to park on that lot or standard direction to come from....

The car was parked next to the red car because when the red car was parked there, it was towed there and didn't exactly line up with the other vehicles. That gave the perfect opportunity to put the RAV 4 there, because the red car was already "in" a bit and the driver could park it close enough to not obstruct the road or lane. The driver had to exit on the passenger side because he/she knew there was no way to get out of the drivers side.

Which brings me to my next question...did the driver have TH's blood on him/her that left the smudge on the front drivers seat on the black box or whatever it is....

JMHO
 
I'd like to know how someone who supposedly planted this car could have done that without anyone who lived on that property seeing them. Did they bring the branches and fencing to the site or did they scavenged the site during the pitch black night (or daylight) to find those items to put there--all the while no one on the property sees them? It doesn't make sense.

how about this way?
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The interior lights, unless out of order, would have gone on when the door was opened. I find it hard to believe SA would not have seen the blood
either with these lights or a flashlight. And I also question why he wouldn't have gone back out in the daylight to clean the RAV4 if he missed something ?

Toyota's generally have an interior overhead light and possibly a dome light--both can be switched to the off position so they don't come on when the door is opened.
 
I'm speaking like, if SA parked/towed that vehicle to that spot and had to wiggle out the passenger door & work his way out of the vehicle. All the while not leave prints of any kind BUT just happens to drip and smudge some blood AND leave his dna under the hood...

AND, just so happens the SHIFTER wasn't swabbed along with many other parts of the vehicle.

Just seems convenient, IMO
So you're saying that if SA left behind DNA on the hood latch that he would have also left behind a print that would be identifiable later on?

Why is that so?

I think that it's much easier to leave behind DNA than to leave behind a print that could be tied to a suspect. JMO
 
Mystic... that picture kinda looks like a maze... many ways to get there lol
 
just want to point out too.... the picture you are using, it is not from November 2005. It was no where near that green and lush at that time.

exhibit 25.... it doesn't show the quarry though, but it was taken in Nov 2005.
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I'm speaking like, if SA parked/towed that vehicle to that spot and had to wiggle out the passenger door & work his way out of the vehicle. All the while not leave prints of any kind BUT just happens to drip and smudge some blood AND leave his dna under the hood...

AND, just so happens the SHIFTER wasn't swabbed along with many other parts of the vehicle.

Just seems convenient, IMO

I don't know how convenient it is but I don't think the lack of fingerprints mean that SA didn't park Teresa's car after killing her. I believe that people can touch things and not always leave behind identifiable prints. And that's even if your not trying to cover your tracks like SA was doing.


The DNA does point towards him being in the car at some point. JMO.
 
...because you don't have an IQ higher than 70?????

I have a hard time understanding the argument that SA wouldn't do this or he wouldn't do that because of his experience or knowledge and at the same time use the fact he has a low IQ to make him look like a victim.

JMO
 
That map showing paths into the Avery Salvage Yard isn't showing the path the "planter" would have to take to then take the license plate over to the car it was found in. It isn't showing the path the "planter" would have taken to dump TH's belongings in the burn barrel. Those things were done too, so the scenario of how easy it would be needs to include these other activities. How close did the "planter" get to the part of the compound where they could have been easily seen and might have triggered a dog to bark. This is all supposedly happening when it's dark out.
 
I'd like to know how someone who supposedly planted this car could have done that without anyone who lived on that property seeing them. Did they bring the branches and fencing to the site or did they scavenged the site during the pitch black night (or daylight) to find those items to put there--all the while no one on the property sees them? It doesn't make sense.

SA and CA said they saw lights out there


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I'd like to know how someone who supposedly planted this car could have done that without anyone who lived on that property seeing them. Did they bring the branches and fencing to the site or did they scavenged the site during the pitch black night (or daylight) to find those items to put there--all the while no one on the property sees them? It doesn't make sense.

What fencing ? All I see is a car hood, a piece of plywood, and two boards nailed together. Branches were easily accessible - there's a tree line right behind the cars. As for getting the car onto the property through the back way, no problem IMO. Some folks here have claimed that rifle shots in SA's garage might not have been heard by the Dasseys, so I have no issue with a car coming in the back way to the yard by the gravel pit and no one hearing it.
 
SA and CA said they saw lights out there


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Ok...but do you realize it would take quite a while to plant the car and then find the materials left behind on the car without anyone on the property noticing anyone there? Also, why didn't SA, CA, EA mention "oh yeah--that fence part or boards or whatever you call it (looks like an old fence to me) used to be over there, someone must have moved it by the car" They knew the property well.
 
Ok...but do you realize it would take quite a while to plant the car and then find the materials left behind on the car without anyone on the property noticing anyone there? Also, why didn't SA, CA, EA mention "oh yeah--that fence part or boards or whatever you call it (looks like an old fence to me) used to be over there, someone must have moved it by the car" They knew the property well.

How can we be sure the car wasn't put there on the evening of 11/4 when the biz was closed and almost everyone was up in Crivitz ? TH wasn't declared missing until 11/3. If nothing was out of the ordinary back by the pit until 11/4, would have business as usual at the yard.
 
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So I opened the file I already had and I added different routes in that I could see quickly, and from what I could remember from testimony. The field beside SA's was open and there was talk about a road behind SA/Dasseys and there was a berm there too, it gave me the impression that someone could drive back there and not be seen (providing there was no one in the quarry at the time). The backside of the Salvage yard was actually pretty easy to access. And lets be real here, the electronics were not heavy.... the license plates were not heavy..... and the bones, could have been carried in a box/bag.

We know that SA and CA went to Menards on Nov 3... this is when SA seen tail lights (indicated on the map to the best of my ability with what I know) So they were gone for a few hours? I wonder who was still on the property that night?

It's said that CA called SA and told him about headlights back by his house he called from the corner... so it makes sense that headlights could have been seen in his rearview where I indicated. Seeing the one news report, I think it was on Nov 4th, you could see just how dark it was out there at night.... I can see how lights would catch your eye. I think the map is a bit deceptive.... it's a 40 acre lot, but imo the aerial makes it look like things aren't far lol

Now.... all of this depends on who you think put it there. If you think the RAV4 went on to the lot on say.... Nov 4th, might have been unnoticed because not as many people were on the lot. Charles was gone, Papa Avery was gone, some of the kids were gone too? SA/Dassey's lived on the opposite corner from where the RAV4 was found, would they hear anything if they were sleeping? I doubt it.

As for the bones, etc. I am not convinced that the dog was as vicious as the cops say. And I still don't understand why they waited 3 friggen days to have the dog removed. They were in contact with the family.... family came and removed other animals.... or call the humane society, I'm sure Bear was happy to be removed and fed. I don't know if we heard evidence..... but could Bear reach the burn pit? I know they took Bear's poo to test it .... but no evidence was shown that they found anything (bones). Way too many questions about the burn pit.

Btw... as I was doing this... I was reminded that RH was printing out maps on mapquest on November 3rd and I wonder if he seen what I seen.... just how easy it was to get onto that property.

All is JMO I still don't know who I think "did it" or if SA did it and LE "helped". But I do think the maps show just how easy it was to get to where the evidence was found.
 
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Exhibits 300 and 301. They were introduced on Day 10 during Ronald Groffy's testimony. From his testimony: My primary duty is the technical unit leader for the Forensic Imaging Unit and responsibility includes administration of the unit, photographing evidence that may be brought into the laboratory, and also doing whatever imaging analysis might be requested of our unit.

In exhibit 301 you can see something white..... it's not there in exhibit 300. It kinda looks like a cig or joint lol But I think it's smaller than that.

*Credit to the reddit poster that noticed this and I thought it was interesting enough to share over here ;-)
 

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