RDI Theories & Discussion ONLY!

[FrayedKnot]

BBM. Iirc, Mr. Ramsey stated that he thought the kidnapper might try to contact them through the mail slot or the mail. Now think about that ... :seeya:

Do I have to? Really? :gasp:

Why you wanna make think 'bout cray like that?

Although......whatever the R's did darn sure worked. Not a day in jail between them.

That poor girl.

 

[Venom]

Yep.

Or maybe the Kidnapper mailed a letter earlier in the week, hoping that it would arrive exactly on the 26th, because if it didn't his plan would be foiled. The mail is so dependable the week of Christmas he probably thought it would be worth the risk. :wink:

Maybe Santa was supposed to deliver it? :waitasec:

 

[FrayedKnot]

Yep.

Or maybe the Kidnapper mailed a letter earlier in the week, hoping that it would arrive exactly on the 26th, because if it didn't his plan would be foiled. The mail is so dependable the week of Christmas he probably thought it would be worth the risk. :wink:

Well seeing as how there may have been several different intruders who left nothing more than some touch DNA , prolly one of them worked for the USPS and was able to have "further instructions" letters delivered on Christmas Day. Because that would frame up those innocent Ramseys, but quick! :floorlaugh:

 

[BOESP]

If you don't mind just pick your best piece of evidence and post it. If you don't mind. And if you are proud of it you won't mind posting it again.

I've based my opinion on the transcripts, autopsy report, ransom note, photographs (which may or may not have been crime scene photos), televised interviews and program appearances, reading the major books, and recently by the newspaper announcement of the Grand Jury's decision to present a true bill. Here are two links to the most recent comments I've made about my opinion:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9831806&highlight=ransom+note#post9831806

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9794523&highlight=ransom+note#post9794523


ETA: By the way, I don't think "proud of" is the way I'd describe the evidence I used. I used the preponderance of the evidence and my personal analyses based on information available to the public.

If you want one piece of evidence that suggests anything, I'd say the ransom note.

 

[FrayedKnot]

If you don't mind just pick your best piece of evidence and post it. If you don't mind. And if you are proud of it you won't mind posting it again.

Respectfully, the threads are here for a reason. If a member needs to know about previously posted info, it is that member's responsibility to go back and read the threads.

No offense, but I was told that when I first began posting here and honestly, it was the best advice I ever got. It is amazing the wealth of info stored in these threads. Happy hunting! :seeya:

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

I've based my opinion on the transcripts, autopsy report, ransom note, photographs (which may or may not have been crime scene photos), televised interviews and program appearances, reading the major books, and recently by the newspaper announcement of the Grand Jury's decision to present a true bill. Here are two links to the most recent comments I've made about my opinion:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9831806&highlight=ransom+note#post9831806

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9794523&highlight=ransom+note#post9794523


ETA: By the way, I don't think "proud of" is the way I'd describe the evidence I used. I used the preponderance of the evidence and my personal analyses based on information available to the public.

If you want one piece of evidence that suggests anything, I'd say the ransom note.

It would be simpler to just post the best evidence. That is if you have it.

 

[UKGuy]

Okay, thanks BB. Now I see what you are saying and I appreciate the thorough response.

Imo (and we all have one :facepalm it was an accidental death caused by wonton recklessness that resulted in JonBenet's death and Patsy covered it up because she did not want anyone, not even John, to know what she had done.

What triggered the reckless behavior is where I still sit on the fence.

BOESP,
I think your RDI overview is correct. The trigger for the reckless behaviour might stretch back to the 23rd and before. These dates are important and are usually neglected by those new to WS.

I think John knew what had transpired, the main unknown is when?

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[Chelly]

BOESP,
I think your RDI overview is correct. The trigger for the reckless behaviour might stretch back to the 23rd and before. These dates are important and are usually neglected by those new to WS.

I think John knew what had transpired, the main unknown is when?

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I agree that a "situation" was escalating out of control during the final weeks/days of December, and took on a life of its own...so to speak..

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

The "situation" was Patsy's compulsive boundary crossing use of JonBenet as an object including digital vaginal penetration. The trigger was Patsy's coming 40th birthday and JonBenet's 7th.

 

[Charterhouse]

There is quite a big grey area between what is considered mentall illness and what is accepted behavior. And this is subject to a society, a time and a place. It is not etched in stone. The symtoms of Patsy's condition are in that grey area. She had an above average IQ, above average education, was socially accomplished above what most people do and was creative.

The problem is the unsound mind can exist within the sound mind and when it expresses itself it is seen as an eccentric aspect of the sound mind until it goes too far and escapes on it's own. The transition period is often too short for people to recognize what is going on until it is too late. Then looking back people often say they recognize the symptoms.

I do agree with most of your comment Blue Bottle. There is a grey area. I believe Patsy had some mental, I don't want to say problems, I don't know what to call it, when she was diagnosed and treated for her cancer.

I don't know anyone that has had that diagnosis that it has not changed their life and thinking. I do think this might have had something to do with JB murder. It may have just been in the neglect that both children may have felt or a more profound change in Patsy and her actions. I am afraid we will never know. But, I can guarantee you there was a change in her because of the diagnosis.

Regarding an internal GYN exam, we discussed this sometime back and I think one of our nurses explained there was a way to place a childs legs, that a doctor could see pretty well. Also, I am thinking Dr. B did at least urinalysis and possible swabs very often.

http://www.merckmanuals.com/profess...lammatory_disease_pid/vaginitis.html#v1063101

Children: (We know JB had issues in this area as well)
"In children, vaginitis usually involves infection with GI tract flora (nonspecific vulvovaginitis). A common contributing factor in girls aged 2 to 6 yr is poor perineal hygiene (eg, wiping from back to front after bowel movements; not washing hands after bowel movements; fingering, particularly in response to pruritus). Chemicals in bubble baths or soaps may cause inflammation. Foreign bodies (eg, tissue paper) may cause nonspecific vaginitis with a bloody discharge. Sometimes childhood vulvovaginitis is due to infection with a specific pathogen (eg, streptococci, staphylococci, Candida sp; occasionally, pinworm)."

Maybe someone else will chime in on this exam. I know it was discussed somewhere. If I find it, I will post a link.

I am certainly not discounting the sexual abuse at all. This is just something that JB may have had as well.

I really feel that JB and B both were not very well cared for. Then with Patsy's diagnosis and treatment, it was even less care. This is just my opinion from all my reading MOO!

 

[2 percent]

I do agree with most of your comment Blue Bottle. There is a grey area. I believe Patsy had some mental, I don't want to say problems, I don't know what to call it, when she was diagnosed and treated for her cancer.

I don't know anyone that has had that diagnosis that it has not changed their life and thinking. I do think this might have had something to do with JB murder. It may have just been in the neglect that both children may have felt or a more profound change in Patsy and her actions. I am afraid we will never know. But, I can guarantee you there was a change in her because of the diagnosis.

Regarding an internal GYN exam, we discussed this sometime back and I think one of our nurses explained there was a way to place a childs legs, that a doctor could see pretty well. Also, I am thinking Dr. B did at least urinalysis and possible swabs very often.

http://www.merckmanuals.com/profess...lammatory_disease_pid/vaginitis.html#v1063101

Children: (We know JB had issues in this area as well)
"In children, vaginitis usually involves infection with GI tract flora (nonspecific vulvovaginitis). A common contributing factor in girls aged 2 to 6 yr is poor perineal hygiene (eg, wiping from back to front after bowel movements; not washing hands after bowel movements; fingering, particularly in response to pruritus). Chemicals in bubble baths or soaps may cause inflammation. Foreign bodies (eg, tissue paper) may cause nonspecific vaginitis with a bloody discharge. Sometimes childhood vulvovaginitis is due to infection with a specific pathogen (eg, streptococci, staphylococci, Candida sp; occasionally, pinworm)."

Maybe someone else will chime in on this exam. I know it was discussed somewhere. If I find it, I will post a link.

I am certainly not discounting the sexual abuse at all. This is just something that JB may have had as well.

I really feel that JB and B both were not very well cared for. Then with Patsy's diagnosis and treatment, it was even less care. This is just my opinion from all my reading MOO!

There is typically two reasons for vaginitis in little girls. Bad hygiene and an STD. Wouldn't it be interesting if JB had been treated for an STD and that's why the doctor and the Rs acted so weird. I mean, that more than bad hygiene seems to fit the reaction.
Just talking. I don't think an STD is the source of vaginitis. Nothing to see here

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

I've based my opinion on the transcripts, autopsy report, ransom note, photographs (which may or may not have been crime scene photos), televised interviews and program appearances, reading the major books, and recently by the newspaper announcement of the Grand Jury's decision to present a true bill. Here are two links to the most recent comments I've made about my opinion:

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9831806&highlight=ransom+note#post9831806

http://websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?p=9794523&highlight=ransom+note#post9794523


ETA: By the way, I don't think "proud of" is the way I'd describe the evidence I used. I used the preponderance of the evidence and my personal analyses based on information available to the public.

If you want one piece of evidence that suggests anything, I'd say the ransom note.

Those are general discussions with nothing specific pointing to John.

If there is specific evidence pointing to John's inolvement that contradicts the anecdotes of Patsy screaming and handing John the note and John saying he found the body at 11 am then I would like to see that.

 

[Charterhouse]

That would be interesting, an STD. With some of the theories we have had, that could have been possible. Not probable IMO.

IMO the interesting part of this discussion is that Dr. B said he would never turn over the records.

 

[questfortrue]

Those are general discussions with nothing specific pointing to John.

If there is specific evidence pointing to John's inolvement that contradicts the anecdotes of Patsy screaming and handing John the note and John saying he found the body at 11 am then I would like to see that.

Not discounting your theory, and without getting into the number of JR’s prevarications, if the evidence points mostly in your theory to PR, and JR is just an innocent bystander, what would be the reason JR wouldn’t have his “Psycho” wife committed for temporary insanity? With his connections, he could have certainly found a shrink to help him commit her, especially if he allowed LE to arrest her. Just worried about what the neighbors would think of the family?

 

[questfortrue]

There is typically two reasons for vaginitis in little girls. Bad hygiene and an STD. Wouldn't it be interesting if JB had been treated for an STD and that's why the doctor and the Rs acted so weird. I mean, that more than bad hygiene seems to fit the reaction.
Just talking. I don't think an STD is the source of vaginitis. Nothing to see here

Other physical aftereffects of sexual abuse/incest may include the following: gastrointestinal problems, gynecological disorders (may include spontaneous bleeding and vaginal infections)

 

[Chelly]

That would be interesting, an STD. With some of the theories we have had, that could have been possible. Not probable IMO.

IMO the interesting part of this discussion is that Dr. B said he would never turn over the records.

BBM Exactly! Add to that the fact the JB had an unusually high number of office visits at Dr. B's and a history of chronic vaginitis and genital irritations. He had to have preformed an internal and known about the eroded hymen and/or signs of abuse. IMO
What kind of doctor would refuse to release medical records in a murder investigation? One with the interests of his patient in mind?

 

[Venom]

[/B]
BBM Exactly! Add to that the fact the JB had an unusually high number of office visits at Dr. B's and a history of chronic vaginitis and genital irritations. He had to have preformed an internal and known about the eroded hymen and/or signs of abuse. IMO

Going from that angle, producing those records would surely cause him a lot of trouble. Maybe his not producing the records isn't just to protect the R's but to protect himself.

 

[SapphireSteel]

I can't believe everyone thinks JB's doctor was thorough.

We had a family doctor when I was young, until I reached about 15 or so and refused to see him again, pointing out (quite rightly) that he had never successfully diagnosed nor treated a single thing over my life.

He sent me for a tonsillectomy when a simple blood test would tell him I had glanduldar fever.

He couldn't cure an ear infection I had, sent me to a specialist after years of trying, who immediately treated me once, successfully, with a dose of gentian violet.

He had big hands and would pretty well examine you with his eyes shut and his nose screwed up.

Nice guy, well spoken, educated, wonderful bedside manner, but entirely incapable as a GP.

It is quite possible JB's doctor was the local fashionable choice, which my doctor was, and quite without any sort of competent medical skill to support his reputation.

:twocents:

 

[Blue Bottle 01]

Not discounting your theory, and without getting into the number of JR’s prevarications, if the evidence points mostly in your theory to PR, and JR is just an innocent bystander, what would be the reason JR wouldn’t have his “Psycho” wife committed for temporary insanity? With his connections, he could have certainly found a shrink to help him commit her, especially if he allowed LE to arrest her. Just worried about what the neighbors would think of the family?

John said he looked at his wife and did not see someone evil enough to do what was done to JonBenet.

Evil is a mytho-poetic term. Today we know it as antisocial, sociopathic and psychopathic behavior.

John doesn't understand that and neither do you if you use terms like "psycho".

Patsy was psychotic and John has self deluded that his wife was not involved and the intruder is real.

 

[deca]

I believe an STD would have been noticed in the autopsy.