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[otg]

hi girl. i posted an article earlier this year about a 7 yr old who accidentally killed another 7 yr old with a child size golf club hit to the head... if a 7 yr old could do this with a jr sized club...

(this happened in MI years ago... i will try to find the article online again)

Bryce McVety

Golf related head injuries in children

 

[otg]

Please ......... don't encourage him. illowfight2:

Well, :snooty: t h a n k y o u -- for saying what Mrs. otg would say if she read here. :floorlaugh:

 

[redheadedgal]

Bryce McVety

awww... what a cutie pie!!

thanks otg for discovering his name... none of the articles i saw included that information or a pic.

:seeya:

 

[Chelly]

For some time I thought the Maglite was the head bash weapon. Now I'm not so sure. I wonder if JB's trophies that were scattered around her room were taken into evidence. If a trophy was the weapon, it likely made its way out of the home with the stained pj bottoms and the stained size 6's.
(Assumption is the bedroom was the crime scene; WC was the dump site.)

The maglite, wiped down inside and out, was left out in plain view in the kitchen. It likely could have been another red herring like "Victory SBTC"

 

[BOESP]

For some time I thought the Maglite was the head bash weapon. Now I'm not so sure. I wonder if JB's trophies that were scattered around her room were taken into evidence. If a trophy was the weapon, it likely made its way out of the home with the stained pj bottoms and the stained size 6's.
(Assumption is the bedroom was the crime scene; WC was the dump site.)

The maglite, wiped down inside and out, was left out in plain view in the kitchen. It likely could have been another red herring like "Victory SBTC"

Chelly, to me the Maglite was used by Patsy (or John, but I'm partial to Patsy) to see how to get around in the dark as well as write the ransom note.

Also, a neighbor noticed a light near the kitchen/sun room area was not turned on that night but the light usually was on all night. Another neighbor reported a strange moving light in this same area, suggesting to me it was a flashlight.

 

[Chelly]

Chelly, to me the Maglite was used by Patsy (or John, but I'm partial to Patsy) to see how to get around in the dark as well as write the ransom note.

Also, a neighbor noticed a light near the kitchen/sun room area was not turned on that night but the light usually was on all night. Another neighbor reported a strange moving light in this same area, suggesting to me it was a flashlight.

Logical and sounds good to me.

 

[Chrishope]

Some time ago someone (I don't recall who so I can't give them credit) suggested that the flashlight batteries, while having no fingerprints, may not have actually been wiped down. I'm not clear if this point was every really settled or not.

The idea was that while no fingerprints could be taken from the batteries, that is not quite the same as saying they were wiped.

Many of us "drop" batteries into a flashlight, so the batteries slide through our fingers and no discernible prints are on them.

It's always seemed strange to consider the batteries were wiped, as if it's the R's light, then naturally their prints would be on it, and possibly on the batteries -if any prints at all. If a non-family member used the Rs flashlight, why would he wipe the batteries ?

Does anyone know if this point was ever resolved - were they actually wiped, or did they just not display prints?

 

[Venom]

I have a thought on the head bash.
Was there a bruise opposite of where the fracture was? What I'm trying to say is it possible that the head bash made the brain hit the scalp? I think that it's seen in shaken baby syndrome. Forgive me, I'm not sure of the scientific terms.

 

[SapphireSteel]

You're assuming she wasn't already dead when the "stager(s)"arrived.

That then is your drawn conclusion (which is not mine). I don't even assume it was a "murder". I never use that word in connection with this.

That's fine. I never ask anyone to agree with me. I just point out the possibilities, and why it is that you can't eliminate this as one of them.

It's not a matter of trying to find blame with anyone, or using someone as a "scapegoat". And if true, I don't think he should be prosecuted or punished any more than he already has been. This is simply a discussion forum -- for adults! And adults should be able to look at this and at least recognize the possibility without simply excluding it because it makes them uncomfortable.

And as for the word "psychopath"... I'm afraid I'm not qualified to throw that one around, so I'll leave it for others to decide.

BDI just doesn't make sense, in my head anyway.

JR and PR lied and lied, they clearly covered up. I just don't see how that translates into innocence for the rest of it.

:cow:

 

[Chelly]

I have a thought on the head bash.
Was there a bruise opposite of where the fracture was? What I'm trying to say is it possible that the head bash made the brain hit the scalp? I think that it's seen in shaken baby syndrome. Forgive me, I'm not sure of the scientific terms.

coup contrecoup

 

[Venom]

Here is what I'm trying to get at:
A severe blow or jolt can cause multiple points of damage because the brain may move back and forth in the skull.

I'm thinking of one of these forensic's type show I watched before. A woman fell down the stairs and died, at least that's what her husband said. They talked about how if she was hit on the head the brain would "bounce" versus if she did indeed fall down the stairs.

 

[redheadedgal]

Some time ago someone (I don't recall who so I can't give them credit) suggested that the flashlight batteries, while having no fingerprints, may not have actually been wiped down. I'm not clear if this point was every really settled or not.

last discussed by whaleshark, otg's thread, post 62 for me

 

[Venom]

coup contrecoup

Googled it and yes, what I'm trying to get at.

Thanks! :blushing:

 

[Chrishope]

last discussed by whaleshark, otg's thread, post 62 for me

So it's quite possible the batteries weren't wiped, they simply don't yield prints.

 

[madeleine]

Do the BDI's also think he went so far as to wrap JB, attempt to garrotte her, tie her hands, wipe down the Maglite etc?

All at age 9?

IF BDI I don't think the garrotte was meant as a strangling device,more like a toy?Maybe he saw something in an action movie and wanted to recreate it?Maybe they played walk the dog or something and it was supposed to be a leash?

 

[madeleine]

Exactly.

Whoever staged the scene while JB was literally dying in front of their eyes, is nothing but an evil psychopath.

Which leads me to draw the conclusion that the stager was also responsible for the murder.

BDI just doesn't make sense, no matter how I look at it. To me, anyway.

Why blame a little boy when you have at least one adult staging psychopath in the house? Or two of them?

Dunno which Ramsey did what and that's why I can't rule him out yet.BDI explains the parents behavior after the murder.

 

[2 percent]

I have a thought on the head bash.
Was there a bruise opposite of where the fracture was? What I'm trying to say is it possible that the head bash made the brain hit the scalp? I think that it's seen in shaken baby syndrome. Forgive me, I'm not sure of the scientific terms.

Coup contrecoup.
Coup is where a moving object hits a stationary head - getting whacked in the head with a flashlight.
Contrecoup is where a moving head hits a stationary object - falling JB hitting the bathtub.

I have heard of the combination, though, where a head is struck by an object, making it move and strike a stationary object which would cause bruising on both sides of the brain, meaning it most likely bounced around. There's a Dorothy Simpson (mystery writer) book with that injury in it, Close Her Eyes.

 

[2 percent]

coup contrecoup

Sorry! Should've read on before answering:rockon:

 

[MissJ]

Do the BDI's also think he went so far as to wrap JB, attempt to garrotte her, tie her hands, wipe down the Maglite etc?

All at age 9?

No. I think the parents did the cover up.:moo:

 

[renah]

Ive had this question now for awhile and hope its ok to post it here. Ive gone back and searched the older threads with no success..

On the subject of the cord/paintbrush found on JB's neck: Even if it WAS an EA device, why would it be on the victim's neck?

The purpose of EA is to enhance orgasm. So whoever attacked wanted to enhance JB's orgasm? Really?

Wouldnt it make more sense for the device to be on the molester, to enhance his (or her) pleasure?