Re: Obsession with movies

[BBB167893]

I don't know; I'm not sure I'd say they "never bothered to look them up." I've found the Flight755 page at A Candy Rose to be very helpful in learning about people--strangers, acquaintances, and friends to the Rs--who could fit into these very scenarios and were "looked into" by LE. (I'm not trying to say that the list proves that LE did all they could or anything. It's just an interesting read for reference and for brainstorming other possibilities.)

http://www.acandyrose.com/s-Flight755-15thStreet.htm

Henry Lee specifically challenged the idea that other avenues weren't pursued, whatever that does for you.

 

[BBB167893]

I suggest reading a couple other 'real' ransom notes for comparison.

Darn good advice.

RDI has always claimed: its what JR or PR thought a real ransom note would sound like, but we're too clever and aren't fooled and can see right thru that.

We're in pretty good company, too!

Why not? According to experts: fascinated with techno-crime movies, even obsessively watches them.

Which experts are these again?

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Darn good advice.



We're in pretty good company, too! Who in your good company actually still believes that JR and/or PR wrote the note to give the appearance of a true kidnapping?



Which experts are these again?

"The Ramsey family investigators believe that the phraseology used in the ransom note suggests the murderer of JonBenét Ramsey is fascinated with techno-crime movies."

 

[BBB167893]

Who in your good company actually still believes that JR and/or PR wrote the note to give the appearance of a true kidnapping?

I'll ask, as soon as I know where to look.

"The Ramsey family investigators believe that the phraseology used in the ransom note suggests the murderer of JonBenét Ramsey is fascinated with techno-crime movies."

Oh, well, no problems there. I'm sure they're completely trustworthy.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I'll ask, as soon as I know where to look.

This isn't an answer to my question. It makes no sense. I'll rephrase:

Who do you know of expert qualification that actually still believes that JR and/or PR wrote the note to give the appearance of a true kidnapping?

Oh, well, no problems there. I'm sure they're completely trustworthy.

Lets just say they probably know more about it than us laymen.

If they believe the RN author was obsessed with techno-crime movies, I tend to believe them because I heard the term 'fat cat' used in a Clint Eastwood techno-crime movie which these experts didn't use in their examples. Trustworthy or not, their hypothesis is holding.

 

[BBB167893]

This isn't an answer to my question. It makes no sense. I'll rephrase:

Who do you know of expert qualification that actually still believes that JR and/or PR wrote the note to give the appearance of a true kidnapping?

It's the only answer I can give you: I'd have to ask them.

Lets just say they probably know more about it than us laymen. If they believe the RN author was obsessed with techno-crime movies, I tend to believe them because I heard the term 'fat cat' used in a Clint Eastwood techno-crime movie which these experts didn't use in their examples. Trustworthy or not, their hypothesis is holding.

I try to follow you, HOTYH, but you're flying alone on this.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

It's the only answer I can give you: I'd have to ask them.

Is that another way of saying that you don't know of any experts who currently believe PR wrote the note?

I try to follow you, HOTYH, but you're flying alone on this.

They're the ones who believe the RN author is fascinated with techno-crime movies. I didn't make that up, so how can I be flying alone? I simply observed that the expression 'fat cat' was used in another techno-crime movie called "In the Line of Fire". This observation seems to fit their hypothesis, and is easily comprehended.

Don't you believe that PR borrowed some movie lines?

 

[BBB167893]

Is that another way of saying that you don't know of any experts who currently believe PR wrote the note?

Yeah, I guess I am saying that. But don't misunderstand me. Just because i don't know any personally doesn't mean there aren't any.

They're the ones who believe the RN author is fascinated with techno-crime movies. I didn't make that up, so how can I be flying alone?

I mean I can't go along with it, because these were the guys who used any tricks they could think of to build up a defense.

Don't you believe that PR borrowed some movie lines?

It might be more accurate to say that she tried.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

Yeah, I guess I am saying that. But don't misunderstand me. Just because i don't know any personally doesn't mean there aren't any.

Thats interesting. Now we suddenly can't find a single outspoken expert on the RDI bandwagon? Not on handwriting, prior abuse, or fiber?


I mean I can't go along with it, because these were the guys who used any tricks they could think of to build up a defense.

Ad hominem. Unless you had something more specific, that is.


It might be more accurate to say that she tried.

Are you saying she used these lines, that appear to us to be straight from the movies, inadvertently?

 

[madeleine]

Check this out HOTYH

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1336690/posts

Someone else with a SFF theory.Interesting reading.

 

[BBB167893]

Check this out HOTYH

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1336690/posts

Someone else with a SFF theory.Interesting reading.

Oh, heck. I read that a long time ago.

 

[BBB167893]

Thats interesting.

Not really.

Now we suddenly can't find a single outspoken expert on the RDI bandwagon? Not on handwriting, prior abuse, or fiber?

Well, Wendy Murphy has certainly been outspoken on ALL of those. But your argument is highly flawed. For one thing, we don't know what they think because nobody's bothered to ask. For another thing, there's no reason to think that they've backed off in the least.

Ad hominem. Unless you had something more specific, that is.

"Ad hominem," my fat Irish butt. You want specifics? How about Ellis Armistead's and John Ramsey's own admissions that they were hired specifically to build a defense in case the Rs were ever brought to trial? To say nothing of what happened to Tom Miller!

Are you saying she used these lines, that appear to us to be straight from the movies, inadvertently?

No, that's not it. I meant that she used them intentionally, but incorrectly. In fact, they were not "straight from the movies," as you say. The list of exact quotes in your listing shows that the lines from those movies were MISQUOTED. That suggests to me that the author was not overly familiar with the material.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

No, that's not it. I meant that she used them intentionally, but incorrectly. In fact, they were not "straight from the movies," as you say. The list of exact quotes in your listing shows that the lines from those movies were MISQUOTED. That suggests to me that the author was not overly familiar with the material.

Thanks. At least we agree then that the RN author, whoever it is, intentionally borrowed lines from movies albeit misquoted and incorrect due to infamiliarity. Is this right?

 

[BBB167893]

Thanks. At least we agree then that the RN author, whoever it is, intentionally borrowed lines from movies albeit misquoted and incorrect due to infamiliarity. Is this right?

No objections.

 

[madeleine]

What about a movie critic?
Janet Mc. was one,right?

 

[Mastermind]

I would argue that any written correspondence is going to have allusions to movies, literature and stories of the day.

We all listen, watch and absorb things into our consciousness.

I'm sure if I wrote a ransom note right now, that it would contain some references to popular movies and true crime stories.

I really think this issue is much ado about nothing.

 

[Holdontoyourhat]

I would argue that any written correspondence is going to have allusions to movies, literature and stories of the day.

"An argument usually arises from a disagreement between two persons, each of whom advances facts supporting his or her own point of view."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/argument

I know its asking a lot around here, but did you have any facts to advance to support your POV? Or are we just, well, you know...?

 

[MurriFlower]

I would argue that any written correspondence is going to have allusions to movies, literature and stories of the day.

We all listen, watch and absorb things into our consciousness.

I'm sure if I wrote a ransom note right now, that it would contain some references to popular movies and true crime stories.

I really think this issue is much ado about nothing.

Chicken or egg? Is "We've got your daughter and unless you get $XX she dies. We'll contact you at 10am to arrange the swap" part of a movie script? Why ramble and repeat yourself and add such unnecessary detail, unless you are totally out of your tree? I think if you reconsider, you'll find the RN is a very important piece of evidence in this killing. In fact, aside from JBR's body, it's THE most important piece of evidence.

 

[Mastermind]

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Originally Posted by Mastermind View Post
I would argue that any written correspondence is going to have allusions to movies, literature and stories of the day.
"An argument usually arises from a disagreement between two persons, each of whom advances facts supporting his or her own point of view."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/argument

I know its asking a lot around here, but did you have any facts to advance to support your POV? Or are we just, well, you know...?
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You can actually create your own experiment.

Have a person write a three page ransom note and analyze it.
See if there are not any visible movie an literal references in it.

 

[Mastermind]

I think if you reconsider, you'll find the RN is a very important piece of evidence in this killing. In fact, aside from JBR's body, it's THE most important piece of evidence.

I agree the ransom note is the most telling piece of evidence in this case.

What I disagree with is that the alleged references to movies are a significant clue.

To me the biggest clue in the ransom note is that that the writer practically says that Jon Benet's body will be missing....yet he actually leaves the body. (in good enough condition for a funeral).