Read this and tell me the Ramseys aren't hiding something ...

[Shylock]

Up until noon on the 26th, the ONLY thing the parents had done wrong was sleep too soundly. NOTHING else.

That's why the 911 tape proves they lied about Burke being asleep.

 

[Imon128]

Up until noon on the 26th, the ONLY thing the parents had done wrong was sleep too soundly. NOTHING else.

Now when told to search the house, should they have refused and insisted the police do it? I don't know.

Should they have hired lawyers? Yes. Clearly.

What did the Ramseys do wrong?
Blew their tops a few times during the questioning.
Trusted the BPD too much.

I can't see much else. Really!

Not reading the ransom note in its entirety is just one thing that was wrong. How could you ignore the pipeline to 'that child's' LIFE? Also, they didn't ask Burke for info, they didn't check JonBenet's room, they didn't secure Patsy and Burke should the intruder still be there....just some things prior to 911 call.

 

[Toth]

Even if I had memorized the ransom note's contents, I don't think I would have done anything differently if I had been in that situation.

I would never have awakened Burke either.

I would never have thought that the intruder might still be in the house once I found a ransom note.

 

[Barbara]

Even if I had memorized the ransom note's contents, I don't think I would have done anything differently if I had been in that situation.

Especially if you wrote it.

"I would never have awakened Burke either."

Why bother? He was already awake

I would never have thought that the intruder might still be in the house once I found a ransom note.

I would never have thought there would be a body along with a RANSOM NOTE

 

[Shylock]

"I would never have awakened Burke either."

Why bother? He was already awake

The big question is: What will the Ramsey excuse be if Keenan (or whoever eventually replaces her) releases the COMPLETE 911 call tape and proves a third voice is on it.

Will they pull a "we forgot he was up"?

 

[cookie]

Not waking Burke up is totally out of the realm of reality for most people. Okay, they looked into his room, and saw him in his bed, presumably asleep. They couldn't tell from the doorway whether he was really asleep, faking being asleep, or for that matter, if he was even alive! There is NO excuse they can come up with that is good enough to explain away why they didn't wake him up immediately! None, nadda, zilch! Could be that they needed him to remain asleep during all the insanity of that morning to prove what a "sound" sleeper he was. They were supposedly running up and down the stairs screaming at each other, and then the cops arrive, check his room, and he is still asleep, so therefore, he would have slept through a freight train passing in his room so he couldn't have been awakened by an intruder in the process of getting his little sister down the hallway. The mere fact that ANY ten year old boy would fake sleep while any of this was going on, especially when a cop goes into his room, is completely unbelievable to me. Folks, I've raised three boys of my own and countless others grew up in our home, and this ISN'T going to happen without a very very good reason.

 

[poco]

Not reading the ransom note in its entirety is just one thing that was wrong. How could you ignore the pipeline to 'that child's' LIFE? Also, they didn't ask Burke for info, they didn't check JonBenet's room, they didn't secure Patsy and Burke should the intruder still be there....just some things prior to 911 call.

That ransom note is what has me totally stumped - ransom = kidnapping. There was no kidnapping, so why a note?

 

[Ivy]

Hi, poco. There HAD to be a note. The note was the only "evidence" of an intruder the Ramseys could come up with, and they knew it. No note = no "proof" of an intruder.

 

[Toth]

The note was the only "evidence" of an intruder the Ramseys could come up with

You mean they are incapable of smashing a window or prying a door?

 

[Ivy]

Toth, John DID smash the basement window, but when he later realized LE would probably nix the idea that an intruder could have entered the house that way, he tried to pass off the broken window as something that had happened long before. If John had realized before LE arrived that they probably wouldn't buy the idea that an intruder could come through the broken window, John would likely have staged a door-prying incident.

 

[TLynn]

John smashed a window -

but then changed his mind about the point of entry...that's why he never told the police he found the window ajar....closed it, but didn't lock it.

Also, the Ramseys now admit that Burke was awake - but claim they "didn't know it." It was an Enquirer story way back - may have been the one when they settled the civil case - part of the deal was a story from the Ramseys.

oops, Ivy -we was postin' at the same time.

Then, again, didn't John also say many doors and windows were left unlocked that night...?

 

[poco]

Hi, poco. There HAD to be a note. The note was the only "evidence" of an intruder the Ramseys could come up with, and they knew it. No note = no "proof" of an intruder.

But why such a lengthy and detailed note --- a short "your daughter is dead and is in the basement" would have sufficed....

 

[Ivy]

poco, I think that when the note was being written, John and Patsy may have been planning to remove JonBenet's body from the house for search teams to discover...but that when it came down to it, neither of them could bring themselves to dump the body of their precious daughter. Also, there was some snow around, and they may have realized their vehicle would have left tracks in the driveway and street. It's also possible they were afraid that neighbors would hear the garage door open and/or spotted them leaving. It's also possible that by the time the note was finished, JonBenet's body was in rigor and wouldn't fit into a suitcase, if that's what they'd planned to place it in to remove it from the house. Maybe the Rs were afraid the police might notice them on the street, which would make it impossible for them to deny it later. They might have also been afraid someone would see them dumping the body. The reason they didn't re-write the note, I think, was because they were pressed for time, and because they knew the original note would suffice as long as they placed the body in a secluded area of the house. This would give them an excuse for pretending to believe JonBenet had been kidnapped.

 

[Shylock]

You mean they are incapable of smashing a window or prying a door?

David Dowaliby tried that--didn't work.
The fact is either of the two raises more questions about how they could have slept through the noise.

 

[Britt]

The fact is either of the two raises more questions about how they could have slept through the noise.

Not to mention that they'd have to explain how the perp got TO the house in order to break in in the first place.... IOW, a credible intruder requires external evidence of the intrusion. Maybe John realized external evidence was going to be a problem, and so abandoned the broken basement window idea.

 

[Toltec]

It sickens me that Patsy would run to BPD to check on Pasta Jay...

It sickens me that John would request the FBI get involved when he is assaulted and burglarized in his home....

The Ramseys believe that the BPD AND THE FBI are "biased", yet they do not think twice when it comes to getting help for themselves.

 

[Trino]

Just reflecting on what I would do if my child were missing...

First, I would search the house top to bottom. I would definitely wake my other child and ask if he had seen his sibling. I would then go outside and call/yell. I would walk around the house and the streets. If I saw the ransom note before going outside, I would immediately call the police but while waiting for them to arrive, I would continue searching. No matter what size my house, I would have searched every single room, probably by the time the police arrived. Finally, I would cooperate in every way with the police. There would be no need for an attorney.

The real problem was, of course, the police. They screwed up in a major way, something that will never allow the case to be solved.

I wonder what Burke knows. How old is he now? What will he/does he think as an adult? Is it nearly time for Burke to write a book?

 

[Toltec]

Burke is now a seventeen-year-old...(January 27). I can picture the Globe, Enquiror waiting one more year to pounce on the kid.

 

[Jayelles]

Up until noon on the 26th, the ONLY thing the parents had done wrong was sleep too soundly. NOTHING else.

Now when told to search the house, should they have refused and insisted the police do it? I don't know.

Should they have hired lawyers? Yes. Clearly.

What did the Ramseys do wrong?
Blew their tops a few times during the questioning.
Trusted the BPD too much.

I can't see much else. Really!

Eh, no. The fact that they DIDN'T trust them at all is their defence for lawyering up and refusing to be interviewed or take polygraphs.

Which is it Toth?

 

[Toth]

They trusted the BPD to handle the kidnapping properly; they didn't.
They trusted the BPD to investigate the murder properly; they didn't.
Soon they were advised that they were the targets and the only targets of the investigation; so they accepted the necessity for the lawyers.