Reasons why you think it could be suicide

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In the state of California, stealing property valued at over $950 is considered a grand theft crime under Penal Code 487. "<snip>

DS discovered the arrest charges against RZ/RN. Thus, DS developed great concerns for her son's welfare when in RZ/RN's presence. She proved to be right about her fears. She lost her only child while he was at the mansion with the thief.

MOO and subject to change without notice

BBM - so??? I don't think shoplifting has anything to do with a kid having an accident. Rebecca is the one who tried to get Max to eat healthy and so forth. There doesn't seem to be anything else negative about her. Contrast that to Dina who hid her identity from Jonah's ex (even went so far as to go by a fake name) because she had engaged in an affair with him while he was still married - in my book, that says you don't really care about families and children and you definitely have a problem with lying and being secretive. Furthermore, contrast Rebecca's one black mark against Dina's ongoing domestic abuse of her own husband with a young child and home and while she was in a 'blended' family. Looks to me like she was hoping to destroy those three children's father along the way, but make him stay with her at the same time. When that didn't quite work she flung herself against a car and did other unseemly things in desperation. When that didn't work, she went after the next woman who came along. None of that is good for kids ... none of it.

Rebecca is the one who should have had fears about Dina... <modsnip>.

 

[bourne]

Thanks Gilgamesh for another great point. Also, how could someone as small as RZ go over the railing on her thigh, would she even be tall enough to do so? And in doing so, wouldn't she have left far more of an imprint than a single toe print? Or if she managed that feat, wouldn't she have left a drag mark or two as well? I'm no good with the diagrams, perhaps cynic or one of the other lovely posters who are great at those things could help?

I know we've rehashed this several times, but it doesn't hurt to look at another point of view. As you say, everyone is entitled to their own opinion, of course.

Always MOO

Agreed. How could Rebecca balance on ONE single toe while wrists were bound BEHIND HER BACK and ankles bound TIGHT and noose around neck with tightly wounded t-shirt gag around her mouth and neck? And we're to believe she somehow not only made it OVER the dusty balcony railing ON HER OWN but managed to magically FLY over the railing without touching much of the dusty railing except for a smidgen brush of the railing of what was it again -- 3-4 inches at most? Scientifically IMPOSSIBLE particularly given her center of mass and her BOUND and GAGGED state. :banghead:

 

[DeDee]

"The dog bone was not a piece of work-out equipment; rather it most likely was Ocean's chew toy. Rebecca may have knocked herself in the head with it and screamed aloud in frustration at the drastic turn her life had taken when Maxie landed on the first floor with irreparable brain damage."

Again, in leaning over the rail, Rebecca's left thigh brushed away the dust from the iron railing. Her toe prints are pointing right, she leans toward her left side and falls. No momentum required. Rebecca may have wrapped the tshirt around her neck in an effort to keep her neck from severely snapping then stuffed it in her mouth so she could not scream, and also so that her tongue would not protrude from her mouth from the hanging.

All the while, she was bound, hands behind back and feet and ankles tied together.....

You have every right to your opinion. If you take a moment to read both those ideas, do you see how absurd it sounds? Maybe not, since it is what you believe. To ME, however, it sounds completely A B S U R D. Shockingly so.

This is the "Reasons why you think it could be suicide" thread. I read through all of the posts in this thread and noticed the Admin issued many warnings to posters yet those who believed it could have been suicide continued to be constantly interrupted with posted arguments for murder.

So, please be nice, if you will, by not being insulting or calling my ideas absurd.

And, yes, Rebecca surely could have banged her own head against the railing as she was falling from the balcony or she may have intentionally hit her head against the wall or used that red dog's bone while in her self-destructive suicidal condition and screamed out while doing so from the utter misery due to the dreadful predicament she found herself in. It is nearly impossible to know what cloudiness mired her thoughts. However, Rebecca's own journal, not yet disclosed to the public but confirmed by the SDSO, reflects her ongoing issues with sleeplessness, stress, loss of weight, sadness and other problems.

If the neighbor heard a scream for help a time or two around 10:30, even though the witness pointed more toward the direction of the beach opposed to the mansion, then, I believe it could have been Rebecca screaming for her god's assistance out of a hot mess. She was desperate and filled with despair.

There was not a sloppy investigation conducted. From the SDSO website: "We had between seven and fifteen investigators, in addition to Crime Lab personnel, looking into this case for seven weeks exclusively." That is 7 to 15 investigators full-time for 7 weeks. IIRC, other than the one child's print, all of the evidence tested came back with Rebecca's blood, prints and/or her DNA. No one else. Only Rebecca.

There were numerous blood drops upstairs. Rebecca evidently was experiencing her monthly cycle and left evidence of it all over JS's lovely mansion. Maybe it was her way of showing JS that she was still in child-bearing years but no one really knows why she left the blood trail. She did not care about ruining the carpets with her drops of blood or with the black paint because she wanted to cause JS as much anguish as possible. She was suicidal and wanted to damage JS's heart as well as his reputation by causing havoc and humiliation. And she did it while that grieving father was sitting by his dying son's ICU bed.

Yes, it was a highly unusual, very sad suicide. Even JS wrote that Rebecca was unique but JS would NEVER approve of his girlfriend being found hanging naked from a balcony at the mansion.

MOO which is subject to change without notice

 

[Zinn]

This is the "Reasons why you think it could be suicide" thread. I read through all of the posts in this thread and noticed the Admin issued many warnings to posters yet those who believed it could have been suicide continued to be constantly interrupted with posted arguments for murder.

So, please be nice, if you will, by not being insulting or calling my ideas absurd.

And, yes, Rebecca surely could have banged her own head against the railing as she was falling from the balcony or she may have intentionally hit her head against the wall or used that red dog's bone while in her self-destructive suicidal condition and screamed out while doing so from the utter misery due to the dreadful predicament she found herself in. It is nearly impossible to know what cloudiness mired her thoughts. However, Rebecca's own journal, not yet disclosed to the public but confirmed by the SDSO, reflects her ongoing issues with sleeplessness, stress, loss of weight, sadness and other problems.

If the neighbor heard a scream for help a time or two around 10:30, even though the witness pointed more toward the direction of the beach opposed to the mansion, then, I believe it could have been Rebecca screaming for her god's assistance out of a hot mess. She was desperate and filled with despair.

There was not a sloppy investigation conducted. From the SDSO website: "We had between seven and fifteen investigators, in addition to Crime Lab personnel, looking into this case for seven weeks exclusively." That is 7 to 15 investigators full-time for 7 weeks. IIRC, other than the one child's print, all of the evidence tested came back with Rebecca's blood, prints and/or her DNA. No one else. Only Rebecca.

There were numerous blood drops upstairs. Rebecca evidently was experiencing her monthly cycle and left evidence of it all over JS's lovely mansion. Maybe it was her way of showing JS that she was still in child-bearing years but no one really knows why she left the blood trail. She did not care about ruining the carpets with her drops of blood or with the black paint because she wanted to cause JS as much anguish as possible. She was suicidal and wanted to damage JS's heart as well as his reputation by causing havoc and humiliation. And she did it while that grieving father was sitting by his dying son's ICU bed.

Yes, it was a highly unusual, very sad suicide. Even JS wrote that Rebecca was unique but JS would NEVER approve of his girlfriend being found hanging naked from a balcony at the mansion.

MOO which is subject to change without notice

IIRC, it was never definitively determined that Rebecca was menstruating. The autopsy indicated some of the blood found on Rebecca was probably due to menstruation. It was not tested to confirm it was menstrual blood, nor was the blood evidence at the scene.

As for journal entries that have not been made public, and details of witness statements that contradict what has been publicly reported, I hope you will consider contacting a moderator to request verification as an insider. It gets very confusing when people who are not verified as insiders make statements (without an IMO attached) that contradict what has previously been reported.

Also, I'm curious about what you've stated about DNA. If we are to believe no DNA existed, aside from Rebecca's and a child's, are we to understand Rebecca wiped down all traces of NR's fingerprints on her phone, JS's fingerprints in their bedroom, the fingerprints of whoever placed the rope in the garage (if that's actually where it was stored)? It seems odd that there would be no traces of DNA of the homeowner found in his own home.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

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I've also always wondered if that was the only dog toy in the room. My pup tends to have most of her toys in the same general area. I've also wondered about the dog bone being used as a weapon. My puppy princess is delicate and only uses the regular sized or "puppy" Kong thingys for treats (you put them inside and the dog has to figure out how to get them out). But we've looked at the more "tough" Kong toys--they are very, very dense and heavy. The come in all shapes and sizes.

ALWAYS MOO

I have always wondered why the red dog bone, in a room where a woman was founding hanging, with blows to her head was NOT taken into evidence. I mean really, wth? It does not follow the logic of what is considered evidence if this was ever investigated as a homicide. Det. Adkins was on the scene that morning. He was aware that Ocean, the dogs name, was allegedly the last words Maxie spoke. ln my opinion, evidence was selectively chosen to fit a growing theory of suicide.

 

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This is the "Reasons why you think it could be suicide" thread. I read through all of the posts in this thread and noticed the Admin issued many warnings to posters yet those who believed it could have been suicide continued to be constantly interrupted with posted arguments for murder.

So, please be nice, if you will, by not being insulting or calling my ideas absurd.

And, yes, Rebecca surely could have banged her own head against the railing as she was falling from the balcony or she may have intentionally hit her head against the wall or used that red dog's bone while in her self-destructive suicidal condition and screamed out while doing so from the utter misery due to the dreadful predicament she found herself in. It is nearly impossible to know what cloudiness mired her thoughts. However, Rebecca's own journal, not yet disclosed to the public but confirmed by the SDSO, reflects her ongoing issues with sleeplessness, stress, loss of weight, sadness and other problems.

If the neighbor heard a scream for help a time or two around 10:30, even though the witness pointed more toward the direction of the beach opposed to the mansion, then, I believe it could have been Rebecca screaming for her god's assistance out of a hot mess. She was desperate and filled with despair.

There was not a sloppy investigation conducted. From the SDSO website: "We had between seven and fifteen investigators, in addition to Crime Lab personnel, looking into this case for seven weeks exclusively." That is 7 to 15 investigators full-time for 7 weeks. IIRC, other than the one child's print, all of the evidence tested came back with Rebecca's blood, prints and/or her DNA. No one else. Only Rebecca.

There were numerous blood drops upstairs. Rebecca evidently was experiencing her monthly cycle and left evidence of it all over JS's lovely mansion. Maybe it was her way of showing JS that she was still in child-bearing years but no one really knows why she left the blood trail. She did not care about ruining the carpets with her drops of blood or with the black paint because she wanted to cause JS as much anguish as possible. She was suicidal and wanted to damage JS's heart as well as his reputation by causing havoc and humiliation. And she did it while that grieving father was sitting by his dying son's ICU bed.

Yes, it was a highly unusual, very sad suicide. Even JS wrote that Rebecca was unique but JS would NEVER approve of his girlfriend being found hanging naked from a balcony at the mansion.

MOO which is subject to change without notice

First off, I find your positing about 'Reasons this could be suicide' a bit bizarre. That's my opinion and I don't know how else to say it.

I don't think people scream before they commit suicide. You also seem to be distorting the facts, like there was somehow blood all over the house. So we have a screaming wild animal woman now purposefully bleeding all over the house while she is hitting herself on the head with a dog bone? Sounds more like someone who took bath salts.

Next scene....she magically calms down and prepares this intricate suicide plan that includes painting a message on the door in third person and carefully measuring out just enough rope to hang herself off a balcony then tying complicate knots on her ankles and wrists - let's not forget she has to tie them in front first then slip her hand out and back in behind her. I guess she is still screaming so she wraps the tshirt around her neck and stuffs it into her mouth before tying her hands and opening the balcony door. Wow, that all seems to take some real composure too.

The thing about theories is that they need to have explanatory power. When they don't have any face value, you know you're probably on the wrong track.

 

[justice be served]

First off, I find your positing about 'Reasons this could be suicide' a bit bizarre. That's my opinion and I don't know how else to say it.

I don't think people scream before they commit suicide. You also seem to be distorting the facts, like there was somehow blood all over the house. So we have a screaming wild animal woman now purposefully bleeding all over the house while she is hitting herself on the head with a dog bone? Sounds more like someone who took bath salts.

Next scene....she magically calms down and prepares this intricate suicide plan that includes painting a message on the door in third person and carefully measuring out just enough rope to hang herself off a balcony then tying complicate knots on her ankles and wrists - let's not forget she has to tie them in front first then slip her hand out and back in behind her. I guess she is still screaming so she wraps the tshirt around her neck and stuffs it into her mouth before tying her hands and opening the balcony door. Wow, that all seems to take some real composure too.

The thing about theories is that they need to have explanatory power. When they don't have any face value, you know you're probably on the wrong track.

BBM. You have hit the nail on its head. Though the authorities appear to have used their creative abilities, rather than deductive reasoning, to rule on Rebecca's death as a suicide, the ruling most certainly does not have explanatory power. Spoon feeding thoughts to a crowd usually is not very effective. I am really rooting for the Zahau family to find the truth and, with that, hopefully some charges against the obvious perps.

 

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BBM. You have hit the nail on its head. Though the authorities appear to have used their creative abilities, rather than deductive reasoning, to rule on Rebecca's death as a suicide, the ruling most certainly does not have explanatory power. Spoon feeding thoughts to a crowd usually is not very effective. I am really rooting for the Zahau family to find the truth and, with that, hopefully some charges against the obvious perps.

BBM - That is exactly what SDSO attempted to do with their PowerPoint presentation at the 9/2/2011 press conference. They were trying to sell their story and make it all go away fast. Why did they feel they needed to go so far with a PowerPoint presentation and a video of female tying these intricate knots? In my opinion, they knew they needed to sell their story to the public in an attempt to make it go away!

 

[DeDee]

IIRC, it was never definitively determined that Rebecca was menstruating. The autopsy indicated some of the blood found on Rebecca was probably due to menstruation. It was not tested to confirm it was menstrual blood, nor was the blood evidence at the scene.

As for journal entries that have not been made public, and details of witness statements that contradict what has been publicly reported, I hope you will consider contacting a moderator to request verification as an insider. It gets very confusing when people who are not verified as insiders make statements (without an IMO attached) that contradict what has previously been reported.

Also, I'm curious about what you've stated about DNA. If we are to believe no DNA existed, aside from Rebecca's and a child's, are we to understand Rebecca wiped down all traces of NR's fingerprints on her phone, JS's fingerprints in their bedroom, the fingerprints of whoever placed the rope in the garage (if that's actually where it was stored)? It seems odd that there would be no traces of DNA of the homeowner found in his own home.

All of the above is just my opinion.

IMO
Why would I wish for verification as an insider when I am not one? However, I can read and comprehend data.

Who, other than Rebecca's family, have said nice things about her? I read JS's statement that she was wonderful and unique. Well, we are all unique. Her former employer made a couple of professional remarks as I am sure he was horrified by her death and did not wish to upset his patients who may know Rebecca by publicly making harsh remarks. Can you name one friend Rebecca had other than her ex-husband, perhaps? Did her friends jam her phone line in support after Max was found with brain injuries while in her care? Rebecca's relatives have every reason to boost her legacy by saying positive things like, "Max loved Rebecca than he did his own mother" or words to that effect. However, there is no proof of that adoration.

Below are not my opinions but facts:

Regarding Rebecca's journal:
The SDSD's pp describes Rebecca's state of mind under the "Additional Information" subtitle. The journal Rebecca maintained on her phone supports her ongoing personal issues, according to the same source.

Directly from the SDSD website: http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/

DNA on the rope:
"Rebecca’s DNA was found on the rope, particularly in areas that would have to be manipulated to tie the knots. Only Rebecca’s DNA was found on these items other than one “artifact,” which is a fragment of material that could be DNA, but does not contain enough information to determine who, or what, it came from (animals and plants also have DNA that can be left behind). The rope could not be fingerprinted."

DNA on the knives:
"The small knife had Rebecca’s DNA, and only Rebecca’s DNA. No fingerprints were developed from this item. The large knife had Rebecca’s fingerprints, and only Rebecca’s fingerprints. A low level of DNA material was found on this knife as well, but it was not enough for any comparison."

Regarding prints:
"Rebecca’s prints were found in all areas of the incident scene, and on items directly related to the event (knife, paint tube). There was one fingerprint from a child found on the bed frame (possibly from Max), along with one other unidentified fingerprint. These two prints were from an area of the bedframe that was not near the location the rope was secured. Immediately around the area the rope was secured to the bed we found several of Rebecca’s prints, and only Rebecca’s prints. We fully expected to find many fingerprints in this house because, simply stated, it is a house. Anyone living in or visiting a residence can leave behind fingerprints, which is why we had to focus on items directly related to the event."

Regarding Rebecca's menstrual cycle:
"there was evidence Rebecca was experiencing menstrual bleeding, or “spotting,” at the time."
"there was no evidence at the scene of the event suggesting anyone else was bleeding other than Rebecca"

 

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BBM. You have hit the nail on its head. Though the authorities appear to have used their creative abilities, rather than deductive reasoning, to rule on Rebecca's death as a suicide, the ruling most certainly does not have explanatory power. Spoon feeding thoughts to a crowd usually is not very effective. I am really rooting for the Zahau family to find the truth and, with that, hopefully some charges against the obvious perps.

Yes, exactly. A theory of Rebecca's death as a murder has much more explanatory power than suicide. SDSO had to painfully fit a few things into the suicide theory, then add some silly and almost inconsequential evidence of a friend/diary as motive, a partial and improbable reenactment of rope typing, leave out a lot that is obviously pertinent to murder (message on door clearly indicates a murderer and motive, method of death, plus all kinds of other stuff), and so on (sorry, too much to even write down right now). It appears there was way too much not investigated (like about Dina, even taking into account her past behaviors and current motive and whereabouts).

SDSO decided they were going to call this a suicide and then set out to carefully craft it all to convince the public as best they could. FAIL!

You know it's telling when investigators have to be forced to finally tell you a prime suspect was not seen on video and they offer no solid alibi for that person.

 

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IMO
Why would I wish for verification as an insider when I am not one? However, I can read and comprehend data.

Who, other than Rebecca's family, have said nice things about her? I read JS's statement that she was wonderful and unique. Well, we are all unique. Her former employer made a couple of professional remarks as I am sure he was horrified by her death and did not wish to upset his patients who may know Rebecca by publicly making harsh remarks. Can you name one friend Rebecca had other than her ex-husband, perhaps? Did her friends jam her phone line in support after Max was found with brain injuries while in her care? Rebecca's relatives have every reason to boost her legacy by saying positive things like, "Max loved Rebecca than he did his own mother" or words to that effect. However, there is no proof of that adoration.

BBM - from Dr. Drew, Rebecca was very well liked.

PINSKY: Now, Jen, you`ve talked to insiders. Do any of them believe that someone wanted Rebecca dead?

HEGER: I don`t -- she had no enemies. Rebecca Zahau had absolutely no enemies. She was very well liked.

PINSKY: Except Dina.

HEGER: The two of them had a very --

PINSKY: I was just saying, they did not like each other.

HEGER: They did not like each other. That is documented.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/1109/02/ddhln.01.html

 

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IMO
Why would I wish for verification as an insider when I am not one? However, I can read and comprehend data.

Who, other than Rebecca's family, have said nice things about her? I read JS's statement that she was wonderful and unique. Well, we are all unique. Her former employer made a couple of professional remarks as I am sure he was horrified by her death and did not wish to upset his patients who may know Rebecca by publicly making harsh remarks. Can you name one friend Rebecca had other than her ex-husband, perhaps? Did her friends jam her phone line in support after Max was found with brain injuries while in her care? Rebecca's relatives have every reason to boost her legacy by saying positive things like, "Max loved Rebecca than he did his own mother" or words to that effect. However, there is no proof of that adoration.

BBM - In my opinion, Rebecca was not worried about herself. I don't think she took the time during this tragic time to call her friends and boo hoo about herself. Instead she was being a support system to Jonah and Dina. Picking up people from the airport for an example. If she had been calling her friends or they calling her then we would hear how selfish she was.

 

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Who, other than Rebecca's family, have said nice things about her? I read JS's statement that she was wonderful and unique. Well, we are all unique. Her former employer made a couple of professional remarks as I am sure he was horrified by her death and did not wish to upset his patients who may know Rebecca by publicly making harsh remarks. Can you name one friend Rebecca had other than her ex-husband, perhaps? Did her friends jam her phone line in support after Max was found with brain injuries while in her care? Rebecca's relatives have every reason to boost her legacy by saying positive things like, "Max loved Rebecca than he did his own mother" or words to that effect. However, there is no proof of that adoration. <snip>

Brandy Memarian who appeared on Dr. Drew show.

 

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IMO
Why would I wish for verification as an insider when I am not one? However, I can read and comprehend data.

Who, other than Rebecca's family, have said nice things about her? I read JS's statement that she was wonderful and unique. Well, we are all unique. Her former employer made a couple of professional remarks as I am sure he was horrified by her death and did not wish to upset his patients who may know Rebecca by publicly making harsh remarks. Can you name one friend Rebecca had other than her ex-husband, perhaps? Did her friends jam her phone line in support after Max was found with brain injuries while in her care? Rebecca's relatives have every reason to boost her legacy by saying positive things like, "Max loved Rebecca than he did his own mother" or words to that effect. However, there is no proof of that adoration.

BBM - I have never seen this exact quote, however it would be nice to ask Jonah about Rebecca and Maxie's relationship. I'm sure he could tell us.

 

[justice be served]

IMO
Why would I wish for verification as an insider when I am not one? However, I can read and comprehend data.

Who, other than Rebecca's family, have said nice things about her? I read JS's statement that she was wonderful and unique. Well, we are all unique. Her former employer made a couple of professional remarks as I am sure he was horrified by her death and did not wish to upset his patients who may know Rebecca by publicly making harsh remarks. Can you name one friend Rebecca had other than her ex-husband, perhaps? Did her friends jam her phone line in support after Max was found with brain injuries while in her care? Rebecca's relatives have every reason to boost her legacy by saying positive things like, "Max loved Rebecca than he did his own mother" or words to that effect. However, there is no proof of that adoration.

Below are not my opinions but facts:

Regarding Rebecca's journal:
The SDSD's pp describes Rebecca's state of mind under the "Additional Information" subtitle. The journal Rebecca maintained on her phone supports her ongoing personal issues, according to the same source.

Directly from the SDSD website: http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/

DNA on the rope:
"Rebecca’s DNA was found on the rope, particularly in areas that would have to be manipulated to tie the knots. Only Rebecca’s DNA was found on these items other than one “artifact,” which is a fragment of material that could be DNA, but does not contain enough information to determine who, or what, it came from (animals and plants also have DNA that can be left behind). The rope could not be fingerprinted."

DNA on the knives:
"The small knife had Rebecca’s DNA, and only Rebecca’s DNA. No fingerprints were developed from this item. The large knife had Rebecca’s fingerprints, and only Rebecca’s fingerprints. A low level of DNA material was found on this knife as well, but it was not enough for any comparison."

Regarding prints:
"Rebecca’s prints were found in all areas of the incident scene, and on items directly related to the event (knife, paint tube). There was one fingerprint from a child found on the bed frame (possibly from Max), along with one other unidentified fingerprint. These two prints were from an area of the bedframe that was not near the location the rope was secured. Immediately around the area the rope was secured to the bed we found several of Rebecca’s prints, and only Rebecca’s prints. We fully expected to find many fingerprints in this house because, simply stated, it is a house. Anyone living in or visiting a residence can leave behind fingerprints, which is why we had to focus on items directly related to the event."

Regarding Rebecca's menstrual cycle:
"there was evidence Rebecca was experiencing menstrual bleeding, or “spotting,” at the time."
"there was no evidence at the scene of the event suggesting anyone else was bleeding other than Rebecca"

You are obviously putting energy toward the suicide findings by the authorities which is certainly your prerogative. What they left out or didn't choose to investigate is the problem for those of us that think she was murdered. Those holes are chasms and it is beyond reasonable that they believed they could present partial information and expect any thinking person to buy it. In fact, it was an insult to the family and the public and leaves a taste of overwhelming incompetency of SDSO.

 

[Zinn]

IMO
Why would I wish for verification as an insider when I am not one? However, I can read and comprehend data.

Who, other than Rebecca's family, have said nice things about her? I read JS's statement that she was wonderful and unique. Well, we are all unique. Her former employer made a couple of professional remarks as I am sure he was horrified by her death and did not wish to upset his patients who may know Rebecca by publicly making harsh remarks. Can you name one friend Rebecca had other than her ex-husband, perhaps? Did her friends jam her phone line in support after Max was found with brain injuries while in her care? Rebecca's relatives have every reason to boost her legacy by saying positive things like, "Max loved Rebecca than he did his own mother" or words to that effect. However, there is no proof of that adoration.

Below are not my opinions but facts:

Regarding Rebecca's journal:
The SDSD's pp describes Rebecca's state of mind under the "Additional Information" subtitle. The journal Rebecca maintained on her phone supports her ongoing personal issues, according to the same source.

Directly from the SDSD website: http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/

DNA on the rope:
"Rebecca&#8217;s DNA was found on the rope, particularly in areas that would have to be manipulated to tie the knots. Only Rebecca&#8217;s DNA was found on these items other than one &#8220;artifact,&#8221; which is a fragment of material that could be DNA, but does not contain enough information to determine who, or what, it came from (animals and plants also have DNA that can be left behind). The rope could not be fingerprinted."

DNA on the knives:
"The small knife had Rebecca&#8217;s DNA, and only Rebecca&#8217;s DNA. No fingerprints were developed from this item. The large knife had Rebecca&#8217;s fingerprints, and only Rebecca&#8217;s fingerprints. A low level of DNA material was found on this knife as well, but it was not enough for any comparison."

Regarding prints:
"Rebecca&#8217;s prints were found in all areas of the incident scene, and on items directly related to the event (knife, paint tube). There was one fingerprint from a child found on the bed frame (possibly from Max), along with one other unidentified fingerprint. These two prints were from an area of the bedframe that was not near the location the rope was secured. Immediately around the area the rope was secured to the bed we found several of Rebecca&#8217;s prints, and only Rebecca&#8217;s prints. We fully expected to find many fingerprints in this house because, simply stated, it is a house. Anyone living in or visiting a residence can leave behind fingerprints, which is why we had to focus on items directly related to the event."

Regarding Rebecca's menstrual cycle:
"there was evidence Rebecca was experiencing menstrual bleeding, or &#8220;spotting,&#8221; at the time."
"there was no evidence at the scene of the event suggesting anyone else was bleeding other than Rebecca"

BBM 1 - What does Rebecca's personal likeability have to do with this? I'm not understanding the context. Is it a judgment on whether she deserved to live or die, or whether her death is worthy of investigation?

BBM 2 - Why weren't fingerprints developed from the small knife? Does that mean there were no fingerprints? If not, how was the small knife retrieved from its location in a drawer or butcher block before being transported upstairs? Personally, I'm concerned by the finding of a knife with no fingerprints on the floor at the scene of a suspicious death.

BBM 3 - I question the determination of what items were directly related to the event. If investigators ignored discarded underwear at the scene of a suspicious death featuring a nude woman, I'm not confident they tested all relevant items. They even stated they did not test all blood at the scene because they assumed it was Rebecca's.

BBM 4 - The "evidence" Rebecca was menstruating was a reference to the autopsy report that stated she was probably menstruating.

As for the journal, I was referring to your previous post in which you based an opinion on journal entries that have not been made public. Perhaps I misunderstood. I thought you were suggesting you knew something about the content of the entries. If you do not know anything about the content of the journal entries, I'm not sure why you find them so persuasive, but I'm willing to agree to disagree on this point.

All of the above is just my opinion.

 

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BBM 1 - What does Rebecca's personal likeability have to do with this? I'm not understanding the context. Is it a judgment on whether she deserved to live or die, or whether her death is worthy of investigation?
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Good point! And, being somewhat of a loner, I would hate to think it's ok for someone to murder me! :floorlaugh:

 

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DNA on the rope:
"Rebecca&#8217;s DNA was found on the rope, particularly in areas that would have to be manipulated to tie the knots. Only Rebecca&#8217;s DNA was found on these items other than one &#8220;artifact,&#8221; which is a fragment of material that could be DNA, but does not contain enough information to determine who, or what, it came from (animals and plants also have DNA that can be left behind). The rope could not be fingerprinted."

DNA on the knives:
"The small knife had Rebecca&#8217;s DNA, and only Rebecca&#8217;s DNA. No fingerprints were developed from this item. The large knife had Rebecca&#8217;s fingerprints, and only Rebecca&#8217;s fingerprints. A low level of DNA material was found on this knife as well, but it was not enough for any comparison."

Regarding prints:
"Rebecca&#8217;s prints were found in all areas of the incident scene, and on items directly related to the event (knife, paint tube). There was one fingerprint from a child found on the bed frame (possibly from Max), along with one other unidentified fingerprint. These two prints were from an area of the bedframe that was not near the location the rope was secured. Immediately around the area the rope was secured to the bed we found several of Rebecca&#8217;s prints, and only Rebecca&#8217;s prints. We fully expected to find many fingerprints in this house because, simply stated, it is a house. Anyone living in or visiting a residence can leave behind fingerprints, which is why we had to focus on items directly related to the event."

Regarding Rebecca's menstrual cycle:
"there was evidence Rebecca was experiencing menstrual bleeding, or &#8220;spotting,&#8221; at the time."
"there was no evidence at the scene of the event suggesting anyone else was bleeding other than Rebecca"

Mixed DNA &#8216;all over&#8217; Zahau death scene; some evidence not tested

Sheriff's Crime Lab Director Michael Grubb did not dispute the presence of unidentifiable, mixed DNA at the Coronado scene.

"The majority of the DNA under Rebecca Zahau's fingernails was her own," said Grubb. "Various fingernails were tested as separate samples and one of them showed a DNA mixture but the level of DNA was so low that it was an un-interpretable mixture."

In addition to the fingernail sample, unidentified DNA also was recovered from the rope used in Zahau's alleged hanging; a large knife used to the cut the rope; the bed frame to which the rope was tied; a door knob on the balcony door; and a pair of black gloves found on a table in the mansion, Grubb said.

"DNA can come to be on all sorts of surfaces; door knobs, any public surface can gain DNA from a number of people and it will reside there and may be picked up by someone else," said Grubb. "When you have a low-level mixture and it's so low that it's un-interpretable, it means that even if we have other subjects to compare, it's not going to be fruitful."

http://www.760kfmb.com/story/16068012/mixed-dna-all-over-zahau-death-scene-some-evidence-not-tested

AND - if you read the article, the comment about testing blood for her menses is inaccurate per Rebecca's autopsy report.

 

[inthedark14]

IMO
<Respectfully snipped by me for space>

Below are not my opinions but facts:

Regarding Rebecca's journal:
The SDSD's pp describes Rebecca's state of mind under the "Additional Information" subtitle. The journal Rebecca maintained on her phone supports her ongoing personal issues, according to the same source.

Directly from the SDSD website: http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/

DNA on the rope:
"Rebecca’s DNA was found on the rope, particularly in areas that would have to be manipulated to tie the knots. Only Rebecca’s DNA was found on these items other than one “artifact,” which is a fragment of material that could be DNA, but does not contain enough information to determine who, or what, it came from (animals and plants also have DNA that can be left behind). The rope could not be fingerprinted."

DNA on the knives:
"The small knife had Rebecca’s DNA, and only Rebecca’s DNA. No fingerprints were developed from this item. The large knife had Rebecca’s fingerprints, and only Rebecca’s fingerprints. A low level of DNA material was found on this knife as well, but it was not enough for any comparison."

Regarding prints:
"Rebecca’s prints were found in all areas of the incident scene, and on items directly related to the event (knife, paint tube). There was one fingerprint from a child found on the bed frame (possibly from Max), along with one other unidentified fingerprint. These two prints were from an area of the bedframe that was not near the location the rope was secured. Immediately around the area the rope was secured to the bed we found several of Rebecca’s prints, and only Rebecca’s prints. We fully expected to find many fingerprints in this house because, simply stated, it is a house. Anyone living in or visiting a residence can leave behind fingerprints, which is why we had to focus on items directly related to the event."

Regarding Rebecca's menstrual cycle:
"there was evidence Rebecca was experiencing menstrual bleeding, or “spotting,” at the time."
"there was no evidence at the scene of the event suggesting anyone else was bleeding other than Rebecca"

BBM above. For those that choose to believe the case(s) as presented by SDSO verbatim that is their prerogative. If one wants to argue the case for suicide and that is the only source for argument, it makes for a weak one, as even DS, a defendant in a recent lawsuit, has stated that their case was flawed. They did present both cases at that link, correct?

Always MOO

 

[rob]

The only way I would think this was a sucide, would be if she felt guilty about the childs death.
BUT, I can't see any female going to those lengths to commit sucide. No one would want to be found that way. Why go through all those steps, when it is so easy to take pills or shot yourself. I don't buy it.