Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[DeDee]

Due to current time restraints, rather than respond to individual replies following my previous post, I shall enter a blanket statement which is strictly my opinion only.

After reading the entire SDSD's website regarding their findings in the deaths at the Coronado mansion, numerous articles about the deaths, including the "Boy Interrupted" interview, numerous entries on other forums, copious posts on threads at this forum, including cynic's posts, and after studying numerous photos, conducting my own experiments (more on that later), as well as listening to Tricia's radio program regarding this case, my conclusions are that this was a suicide.

Until I learn facts to indicate otherwise, my opinions remain unchanged. That very well could happen when depositions are taken during the Zahau's $10,000,000 wrongful death lawsuit.


http://radaronline.com/exclusives/2...jonah-shacknai-wrongful-death-lawsuit-family/


Others may not agree with my unpopular opinion about Rebecca's suicide. Others may not agree that, contrary to the SDSD's conclusion, IMO, Max's fall was not an accident. However, it is my prerogative to arrive at a well-informed opinion gleaned from the information garnered from the aforementioned sources.

If I am wrong, I hope the Zahau's get every dime that they are asking.


MOO and those are subject to change without written notice

 

[DeDee]

Dispels an eyewitness accounting:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

In watching this Nov. 11, 2011 CBS8 news clip starting at 00:22 thru 00:33, I noticed how very well lit it is as the news crew were filming either after sunset or before sunrise. The reporter stands in front of the mansion with the camera lights shining brightly. However, off to the lt & rt sides, where the camera crew does not illuminate; it is eerily dark. Much as I imagine it was on the night of malice at the mansion.

Nina, in the same footage declares, at or around the 00:33 mark, that Rebecca did not have the exterior lights on at the front of the home. She walked up to the door and rang the bell. She was there three minutes.

A witness came forward positively identifying Dina not Nina present at the residence hours before Rebecca was found in the courtyard. Malarkey.

No way. IMO, there is not a possibility for anyone, standing along the sidewalk or driving by, or elsewhere, to positively identify an individual at or near the front entryway. It was far too dark. IMO, the witness' entire recollection of what was seen should be discarded (GIGO) due to darkness at the scene.

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That reminds me that Nina claims the lights in the computer room/hanging room were turned on when she was there at 10 [but the lights were not on when the investigators arrived following AS's 911 call reporting Rebecca's demise 8 hours later]. Isn't that correct?

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AS, who flew into town earlier that day, was picked up at the airport by Rebecca, then they meet his brother, Jonah, for dinner (@ McDonald's around 8, I presume). Did Rebecca visit personally with Maxie during this day or evening?

IMO
After arriving at the mansion's guest house sometime later, AS, as per his usual, did indeed take an Ambien sleep aid [that is available by prescription and intended for short term usage]. Although, if I worked as a boat captain, I would want to sleep through all of my shifts because of the treacherous duties involved maneuvering a vessel among the strong, dangerous currents of the Mighty Mississippi. *Note: This is a personal pre-conceived notion that most boat captains have a little problem with alcohol.* Thus, AS was unaware of all activities until he stepped outside his door the next morning around 6:30, either before or while viewing on his phone, and discovered Rebecca.

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IMO, the panties found by LE in the guest house were from when JS's teenagers were present at the compound. They were driven to the airport by JS and Maxie earlier the morning Maxie's fatal injuries occurred. The panties have nothing to do with the malice at the mansion.

This conjecture is my opinion only which is subject to change at any time without prior notice.

 

[inthedark14]

Dispels an eyewitness accounting:

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

In watching this Nov. 11, 2011 CBS8 news clip starting at 00:22 thru 00:33, I noticed how very well lit it is as the news crew were filming either after sunset or before sunrise. The reporter stands in front of the mansion with the camera lights shining brightly. However, off to the lt & rt sides, where the camera crew does not illuminate; it is eerily dark. Much as I imagine it was on the night of malice at the mansion.

Nina, in the same footage declares, at or around the 00:33 mark, that Rebecca did not have the exterior lights on at the front of the home. She walked up to the door and rang the bell. She was there three minutes.

A witness came forward positively identifying Dina not Nina present at the residence hours before Rebecca was found in the courtyard. Malarkey.

No way. IMO, there is not a possibility for anyone, standing along the sidewalk or driving by, or elsewhere, to positively identify an individual at or near the front entryway. It was far too dark. IMO, the witness' entire recollection of what was seen should be discarded (GIGO) due to darkness at the scene.

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That reminds me that Nina claims the lights in the computer room/hanging room were turned on when she was there at 10 [but the lights were not on when the investigators arrived following AS's 911 call reporting Rebecca's demise 8 hours later]. Isn't that correct?

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AS, who flew into town earlier that day, was picked up at the airport by Rebecca, then they meet his brother, Jonah, for dinner (@ McDonald's around 8, I presume). Did Rebecca visit personally with Maxie during this day or evening?

IMO
After arriving at the mansion's guest house sometime later, AS, as per his usual, did indeed take an Ambien sleep aid [that is available by prescription and intended for short term usage]. Although, if I worked as a boat captain, I would want to sleep through all of my shifts because of the treacherous duties involved maneuvering a vessel among the strong, dangerous currents of the Mighty Mississippi. *Note: This is a personal pre-conceived notion that most boat captains have a little problem with alcohol.* Thus, AS was unaware of all activities until he stepped outside his door the next morning around 6:30, either before or while viewing on his phone, and discovered Rebecca.

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IMO, the panties found by LE in the guest house were from when JS's teenagers were present at the compound. They were driven to the airport by JS and Maxie earlier the morning Maxie's fatal injuries occurred. The panties have nothing to do with the malice at the mansion.

This conjecture is my opinion only which is subject to change at any time without prior notice.

BBM--Seeing as NR is the one stating these things, and she is named in a recent lawsuit, I would not consider her rendition of the events relevant. IMO, of course.
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BBM--Same observation as above.
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BBM--Is it documented somewhere that it was usual for AS to take Ambien? Please provide a link.
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BBM--since these panties were never tested, this cannot be proven in any way, shape or form. SDSO didn't even bother to test the underwear that were found at the scene of a horrific death in which the party stating they "got a girl, hung herself" was masturbating to on his iphone immediately prior to finding poor RZ. (That would be AS). (sorry for the gross imagery all, but it has to bee said).

ALWAYS MOO

 

[Betty P]

BBM--Seeing as NR is the one stating these things, and she is named in a recent lawsuit, I would not consider her rendition of the events relevant. IMO, of course.
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BBM--Same observation as above.
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BBM--Is it documented somewhere that it was usual for AS to take Ambien? Please provide a link.
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BBM--since these panties were never tested, this cannot be proven in any way, shape or form. SDSO didn't even bother to test the underwear that were found at the scene of a horrific death in which the party stating they "got a girl, hung herself" was masturbating to on his iphone immediately prior to finding poor RZ. (That would be AS). (sorry for the gross imagery all, but it has to bee said).

ALWAYS MOO

I agree with all of your points.

Another fact about the night of July 12, 2011 is that it was a clear night with a nearly full moon.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...eq_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&MR=1

There was no cloud cover, so, combined with street lights and illumination from the moon, the witness account is very possible. Their description of the person they saw is very detailed.

"The witness sent me a picture of Dina and said it was Dina," according to Bremner, who said the witness was riding a bicycle by the home at approximately 10:20 p.m. on July 12.

"He was going by and saw somebody with a large, black bag trying to get in the front door and looking around and going to the back of the house," Bremner said. "She was 40 to 50 years, 5'5", 170 to 190 lbs., long dark hair; wearing a black and white striped short sleeve shirt," said Bremner.

"He is positive it (was) Dina and she was acting very suspiciously," Bremner wrote. "He has seen subsequent news reports that said Nina was out front and he said that's not the person he saw."

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

Given there were guests staying overnight (AS) it was also likely that RZ left at least one outdoor light on, possibly over the driveway area. If you check Google Maps, there's a street light located just across the street from the mansion, too.

 

[DeDee]

BBM--Seeing as NR is the one stating these things, and she is named in a recent lawsuit, I would not consider her rendition of the events relevant. IMO, of course.
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BBM--Same observation as above.
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BBM--Is it documented somewhere that it was usual for AS to take Ambien? Please provide a link.
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BBM--since these panties were never tested, this cannot be proven in any way, shape or form. SDSO didn't even bother to test the underwear that were found at the scene of a horrific death in which the party stating they "got a girl, hung herself" was masturbating to on his iphone immediately prior to finding poor RZ. (That would be AS). (sorry for the gross imagery all, but it has to bee said).

ALWAYS MOO

No no no no no, inthedark. Not supplying links on all of my sensible opinions when they are not stated as fact. We are not in a courtroom. Although I will add a scoop. The sleep aid alibi came to me while or shortly after viewing AS's "inconclusive" polygraph video.

IMO
Some videos come with a graphic content warning typically shown before the graphic content actually appears. Perhaps some statements should do the same.

IMO
I am sure I was not aware of the "gross imagery" you reference regarding AS's behavior and only aware of his alleged viewing of it. *warning: graphic content* However, I suppose there could have been masturbation and even ejaculation while viewing it. That's possible and the panties may have been some of his favorites that he packed for pleasure when departing Memphis. The point is we may never know the history of those panties. Dangit. Either way, imo, the panties are not relevant to the malice.

IMO
It would certainly be preferable for LE to scoop the panties rather than leave them uncollected. However, in determining a reasonable explanation for the panties [found discarded in the trash basket?] inside a building next to the main house; I opine that a female teenager may have occupied the dwelling at some point during JS's teenagers' recent visit. Also, I rather doubt they were Rebecca's panties. As is her prerogative, Rebecca may have preferred to seldom wear panties. I mean, after all, she was found nude.

IIRC, the SDSD did not make mention of finding any other panties. None in the hanging room, none in the master bath, nor none found neatly folded on the bed in the master suite along with RZN's other garments. This is my theory about the panties that's formed by the reasons previously stated. Therefore, in developing my theories, discarded now, as irrelevant, are both the panties in the guest house and the eyewitness who could not possibly positively identify one of the twins' late night visit to Spreckles due to the darkness.

IMO That ruler located in the downstairs area near the fatal landing spot. What's up with that ruler? I think I saw a thread for it once. Jodi Arias' mom popped her with a ruler. No! That was a wooden spoon. But I have seen children hold out their hand while their teacher popped their hand with a wooden ruler. Maxie's little body didn't show signs of damage from ruler punishment, did he?

IMO The soccer ball may typically be kept in that area where it was found so Maxie could grab it on his way out the door. Or can we postulate that the child also played soccer indoors? Ok. Upstairs. Maxie. Soccer ball. One swift kick. Oops. There goes the chandelier. Shatters to the floor. Somebody. may. be. in. trouble.

Been a while since I studied his autopsy. IIRC, Maxie did not display wounds from shards of broken glass about his person, correct? IOW, Maxie's fall and the chandelier's fall were not contemporaneous. My soccer ball theory may be a possibility but demands further research.

Poor Sweet Maxie.

disclaimer: IMO & MCO (my conjecture only)

 

[K_Z]

IMO
*warning: graphic content* However, I suppose there could have been masturbation and even ejaculation while viewing it. That's possible and the panties may have been some of his favorites that he packed for pleasure when departing Memphis. The point is we may never know the history of those panties. Dangit. Either way, imo, the panties are not relevant to the malice.

IMO
As is her prerogative, Rebecca may have preferred to seldom wear panties. I mean, after all, she was found nude.

disclaimer: IMO & MCO (my conjecture only)

Oh my. Really?? Now we are speculating on how often Rebecca went commando?? Because someone found nude, and bound, and gagged, and hanged from a balcony is "probably" someone who liked to "go commando?":floorlaugh: That is only a whisker away from saying "she deserved what she got", IMO.

Gosh. Maybe the panties belong to Dina? (Nah, too small, IMO.)Maybe Dina and Adam were spending (umm) "quality time" together, and Dina just innocently returned to collect her panties, IMO? Maybe Dina's Underwear Underground Undercover Team failed to swoop in to save her Victoria's Secret silkies from discovery, as she frolicked about nude in the mansion, and distractedly left her personal "foundation" items laying about, all kittywumpas, IMO? Oh wait-- the panties belong to Jonah, and Dina was there to collect them to just protect her ex-man's reputation, right? Let's all engage in wild speculation, shall we? (Just be sure to attach an "IMO" to whatever you conjure up.)

Nina's panties? Howard Luber's panties? Nina's son Guy Jr (who was an adult at the time of Rebecca's and Maxie's deaths.) Maybe the panties belong to Adam, and he enjoys wearing them from time to time. (Yeah-- lots of efforts to throw Adam under the bus these days.) I know--maybe the panties were Paul Pfingst's--and he was there behind the crime scene tape to retrieve them to protect his reputation as a Panty Meister. Maybe the police PLANTED the panties as a distraction, so no one would notice the gruesome murder of Rebecca? Maybe the panties belonged to "other" visitors? Maybe little green men from Mars beamed in, all cloaked in invisibility dust, to leave random panties hither and yon? Maybe the Super Secret Taxpayer Funded Government Panty Patrol paid a visit to the mansion-- to plant incriminating evidence, IMO. How outrageous can we accuse, slander, or speculate? (Just be sure to put "IMO" or "JMO" in your post!)

I don't know how I could have missed THIS. The panties WERE Dina's, IMO. And that must be why Rebecca "killed herself", IMO. <sarcasm>

 

[ktgirl]

The only way I would think this was a sucide, would be if she felt guilty about the childs death.
BUT, I can't see any female going to those lengths to commit sucide. No one would want to be found that way. Why go through all those steps, when it is so easy to take pills or shot yourself. I don't buy it.

Bolded by me.

But Max hadn't yet passed away when Rebecca died. The fall happened on July 11, 2011. Max died on 7/16/11. Rebecca died on 7/13/11, three days prior to Max's death.

Agreed that most ladies would never hang themselves from the outside of a home nude.

 

[DeDee]

I agree with all of your points.

Another fact about the night of July 12, 2011 is that it was a clear night with a nearly full moon.

http://www.wunderground.com/history...eq_city=NA&req_state=NA&req_statename=NA&MR=1

There was no cloud cover, so, combined with street lights and illumination from the moon, the witness account is very possible. Their description of the person they saw is very detailed.



http://www.cbs8.com/story/15982091/exclusive-max-shacknais-aunt-talks-about-coronado-mansion-deaths

Given there were guests staying overnight (AS) it was also likely that RZ left at least one outdoor light on, possibly over the driveway area. If you check Google Maps, there's a street light located just across the street from the mansion, too.

Thank you, Ms Betty. Great info in the box. From your post, I am bumping these July 12 quotes about Dina. They are not mine bumped your post:

"The witness sent me a picture of Dina and said it was Dina," according to Bremner, who said the witness was riding a bicycle by the home at approximately 10:20 p.m. on July 12.

"He was going by and saw somebody with a large, black bag trying to get in the front door and looking around and going to the back of the house," Bremner said. "She was 40 to 50 years, 5'5", 170 to 190 lbs., long dark hair; wearing a black and white striped short sleeve shirt," said Bremner.

"He is positive it (was) Dina and she was acting very suspiciously," Bremner wrote. "He has seen subsequent news reports that said Nina was out front and he said that's not the person he saw."

************ The above quotes are not mine ***************

Dina not Nina is allegedly seen by a cyclist who claims siting Dina at the scene at 10:20 on a dark evening at front of the Specklers Mansion. Bad timing for her to have an eye witness, a cyclist, who can testify DS was there at 10:20 even though I say my cover of darkness theory is highly plausible. The last activity on RZN's ph was with Mary minutes before ten o'clock, correct? Dina is on the property at 10:15 -10:20. Maybe earlier. The witness heard a scream at 10:30 or 11:30?

IMO, AS is already snoring Zzzz's from the sleep aid consumed the night prior. Or not, no biggie. He may have been watching his phone and did not consume any drugs the entire day and night of his arrival. In my theory, as described in other posts, a shocked AS finds RZN, cuts her down, texts JS, who announces thru tears that his mistress was dead and found hanging to DS. DS remained completely focused on her only child, her son named Maxfield Shaknai.

IMO When is the next time Dina has an alibi after being spotted at the mansion by a witness around 10:20? Now, where did DS go looking for answers from Rebecca even though Nina allegedly will testify that it was her instead. As a mother, an aunt and grandmother, the children are the gift. I could never assist my sister in killing a woman. For any reason. Dina is on her own. R has been texted. R is not opening the door. But, she does not die until 1:30 - 3:30, correct? Where is Dina and what is she doing?

IMO Nina may not do anything that might land herself inside a 9x12 cell wearing handcuffs. Over Maxie, her beloved nephew's death, well, I could not effectively take a poly the week of my child's or my nephew's brain damage and subsequent death. Nina is too close not to be heart broken over the tragedy that is Maxifield Shacknai.

IMO Where did Dina go at 10:30? What is she doing? Does she appear at the hospital to see her only baby, a son, the love of her life, an heir to a fortune, the last chances on earth and he is fading fast. Maxie needed very delicate kisses and sweet comforting whispers and his favorite songs being sung. Did she leave his side again as he lay dying within a short while? He donated multiple viable organs. Not his damaged heart. Not his damaged brain. Did Dina hold his hand and sing to him one last time?


All of this post contains my opinions that are subject to change

 

[IQuestion]

Oh my. Really?? Now we are speculating on how often Rebecca went commando?? Because someone found nude, and bound, and gagged, and hanged from a balcony is "probably" someone who liked to "go commando?":floorlaugh: That is only a whisker away from saying "she deserved what she got", IMO.

Gosh. Maybe the panties belong to Dina? (Nah, too small, IMO.)Maybe Dina and Adam were spending (umm) "quality time" together, and Dina just innocently returned to collect her panties, IMO? Maybe Dina's Underwear Underground Undercover Team failed to swoop in to save her Victoria's Secret silkies from discovery, as she frolicked about nude in the mansion, and distractedly left her personal "foundation" items laying about, all kittywumpas, IMO? Oh wait-- the panties belong to Jonah, and Dina was there to collect them to just protect her ex-man's reputation, right? Let's all engage in wild speculation, shall we? (Just be sure to attach an "IMO" to whatever you conjure up.)

Nina's panties? Howard Luber's panties? Nina's son Guy Jr (who was an adult at the time of Rebecca's and Maxie's deaths.) Maybe the panties belong to Adam, and he enjoys wearing them from time to time. (Yeah-- lots of efforts to throw Adam under the bus these days.) I know--maybe the panties were Paul Pfingst's--and he was there behind the crime scene tape to retrieve them to protect his reputation as a Panty Meister. Maybe the police PLANTED the panties as a distraction, so no one would notice the gruesome murder of Rebecca? Maybe the panties belonged to "other" visitors? Maybe little green men from Mars beamed in, all cloaked in invisibility dust, to leave random panties hither and yon? Maybe the Super Secret Taxpayer Funded Government Panty Patrol paid a visit to the mansion-- to plant incriminating evidence, IMO. How outrageous can we accuse, slander, or speculate? (Just be sure to put "IMO" or "JMO" in your post!)

I don't know how I could have missed THIS. The panties WERE Dina's, IMO. And that must be why Rebecca "killed herself", IMO. <sarcasm>

:floorlaugh:KZ, KZ, KZ:floorlaugh: Oh Lordy, may I do that again?:floorlaugh::floorlaugh:
Gotta love the really strange ideas popping up lately....the bottom line is: WE ARE SUPPOSED TO BELIEVE THE PANTIES IN THE TRASH AND THE CLOTHES ON THE FLOOR IN THE GUESTHOUSE, MUST BELONG TO ANYBODY BUT REBECCA?
Or using the reasoning of their fearless leader, the underwear were the variety that were imprinted with the days of the week and the pair they found were for SATURDAY!

So with the same reasoning, from the SDSO presser, "the underwear was not tested because there was no sign of sexual assault." We might also reason, since the underwear was monogrammed SATURDAY they couldn't have been Rebecca's because she died on Wednesday.

Or, a "Zonie Dad" called SDSO to say he had just finshed washing his daughter's intimate apparel and her SATURDAY chonies are missing!!! He personally packed them in her luggage when she went to Coronado!!

"Okay Chief, we have double confirmation, 2 Dads, SATURDAY chonies and no signs of sexual assault. This is really convincing information for the press conference."

 

[Gilgamesh]

Thank you, Ms Betty. Great info in the box. From your post, I am bumping these July 12 quotes about Dina. They are not mine bumped your post:

"The witness sent me a picture of Dina and said it was Dina," according to Bremner, who said the witness was riding a bicycle by the home at approximately 10:20 p.m. on July 12.

"He was going by and saw somebody with a large, black bag trying to get in the front door and looking around and going to the back of the house," Bremner said. "She was 40 to 50 years, 5'5", 170 to 190 lbs., long dark hair; wearing a black and white striped short sleeve shirt," said Bremner.

"He is positive it (was) Dina and she was acting very suspiciously," Bremner wrote. "He has seen subsequent news reports that said Nina was out front and he said that's not the person he saw."

************ The above quotes are not mine ***************

Dina not Nina is allegedly seen by a cyclist who claims siting Dina at the scene at 10:20 on a dark evening at front of the Specklers Mansion. Bad timing for her to have an eye witness, a cyclist, who can testify DS was there at 10:20 even though I say my cover of darkness theory is highly plausible. The last activity on RZN's ph was with Mary minutes before ten o'clock, correct? Dina is on the property at 10:15 -10:20. Maybe earlier. The witness heard a scream at 10:30 or 11:30?

IMO, AS is already snoring Zzzz's from the sleep aid consumed the night prior. Or not, no biggie. He may have been watching his phone and did not consume any drugs the entire day and night of his arrival. In my theory, as described in other posts, a shocked AS finds RZN, cuts her down, texts JS, who announces thru tears that his mistress was dead and found hanging to DS. DS remained completely focused on her only child, her son named Maxfield Shaknai.

IMO When is the next time Dina has an alibi after being spotted at the mansion by a witness around 10:20? Now, where did DS go looking for answers from Rebecca even though Nina allegedly will testify that it was her instead. As a mother, an aunt and grandmother, the children are the gift. I could never assist my sister in killing a woman. For any reason. Dina is on her own. R has been texted. R is not opening the door. But, she does not die until 1:30 - 3:30, correct? Where is Dina and what is she doing?

IMO Nina may not do anything that might land herself inside a 9x12 cell wearing handcuffs. Over Maxie, her beloved nephew's death, well, I could not effectively take a poly the week of my child's or my nephew's brain damage and subsequent death. Nina is too close not to be heart broken over the tragedy that is Maxifield Shacknai.

IMO Where did Dina go at 10:30? What is she doing? Does she appear at the hospital to see her only baby, a son, the love of her life, an heir to a fortune, the last chances on earth and he is fading fast. Maxie needed very delicate kisses and sweet comforting whispers and his favorite songs being sung. Did she leave his side again as he lay dying within a short while? He donated multiple viable organs. Not his damaged heart. Not his damaged brain. Did Dina hold his hand and sing to him one last time?


All of this post contains my opinions that are subject to change

His mistress?? That's an interesting choice of words. It's like calling her the babysitter.it dehumanizes her.

 

[Gilgamesh]

Thank you, Ms Betty. Great info in the box. From your post, I am bumping these July 12 quotes about Dina. They are not mine bumped your post:

"The witness sent me a picture of Dina and said it was Dina," according to Bremner, who said the witness was riding a bicycle by the home at approximately 10:20 p.m. on July 12.

"He was going by and saw somebody with a large, black bag trying to get in the front door and looking around and going to the back of the house," Bremner said. "She was 40 to 50 years, 5'5", 170 to 190 lbs., long dark hair; wearing a black and white striped short sleeve shirt," said Bremner.

"He is positive it (was) Dina and she was acting very suspiciously," Bremner wrote. "He has seen subsequent news reports that said Nina was out front and he said that's not the person he saw."

************ The above quotes are not mine ***************

Dina not Nina is allegedly seen by a cyclist who claims siting Dina at the scene at 10:20 on a dark evening at front of the Specklers Mansion. Bad timing for her to have an eye witness, a cyclist, who can testify DS was there at 10:20 even though I say my cover of darkness theory is highly plausible. The last activity on RZN's ph was with Mary minutes before ten o'clock, correct? Dina is on the property at 10:15 -10:20. Maybe earlier. The witness heard a scream at 10:30 or 11:30?

IMO, AS is already snoring Zzzz's from the sleep aid consumed the night prior. Or not, no biggie. He may have been watching his phone and did not consume any drugs the entire day and night of his arrival. In my theory, as described in other posts, a shocked AS finds RZN, cuts her down, texts JS, who announces thru tears that his mistress was dead and found hanging to DS. DS remained completely focused on her only child, her son named Maxfield Shaknai.

IMO When is the next time Dina has an alibi after being spotted at the mansion by a witness around 10:20? Now, where did DS go looking for answers from Rebecca even though Nina allegedly will testify that it was her instead. As a mother, an aunt and grandmother, the children are the gift. I could never assist my sister in killing a woman. For any reason. Dina is on her own. R has been texted. R is not opening the door. But, she does not die until 1:30 - 3:30, correct? Where is Dina and what is she doing?

IMO Nina may not do anything that might land herself inside a 9x12 cell wearing handcuffs. Over Maxie, her beloved nephew's death, well, I could not effectively take a poly the week of my child's or my nephew's brain damage and subsequent death. Nina is too close not to be heart broken over the tragedy that is Maxifield Shacknai.

IMO Where did Dina go at 10:30? What is she doing? Does she appear at the hospital to see her only baby, a son, the love of her life, an heir to a fortune, the last chances on earth and he is fading fast. Maxie needed very delicate kisses and sweet comforting whispers and his favorite songs being sung. Did she leave his side again as he lay dying within a short while? He donated multiple viable organs. Not his damaged heart. Not his damaged brain. Did Dina hold his hand and sing to him one last time?


All of this post contains my opinions that are subject to change

So your reasoning is that Nina was too heartbroken to take a polygraph. Sorry. That's not how it works in real life.

 

[*Lash*]

Oh my. Really?? Now we are speculating on how often Rebecca went commando?? Because someone found nude, and bound, and gagged, and hanged from a balcony is "probably" someone who liked to "go commando?":floorlaugh: That is only a whisker away from saying "she deserved what she got", IMO.

Gosh. Maybe the panties belong to Dina? (Nah, too small, IMO.)Maybe Dina and Adam were spending (umm) "quality time" together, and Dina just innocently returned to collect her panties, IMO? Maybe Dina's Underwear Underground Undercover Team failed to swoop in to save her Victoria's Secret silkies from discovery, as she frolicked about nude in the mansion, and distractedly left her personal "foundation" items laying about, all kittywumpas, IMO? Oh wait-- the panties belong to Jonah, and Dina was there to collect them to just protect her ex-man's reputation, right? Let's all engage in wild speculation, shall we? (Just be sure to attach an "IMO" to whatever you conjure up.)

Nina's panties? Howard Luber's panties? Nina's son Guy Jr (who was an adult at the time of Rebecca's and Maxie's deaths.) Maybe the panties belong to Adam, and he enjoys wearing them from time to time. (Yeah-- lots of efforts to throw Adam under the bus these days.) I know--maybe the panties were Paul Pfingst's--and he was there behind the crime scene tape to retrieve them to protect his reputation as a Panty Meister. Maybe the police PLANTED the panties as a distraction, so no one would notice the gruesome murder of Rebecca? Maybe the panties belonged to "other" visitors? Maybe little green men from Mars beamed in, all cloaked in invisibility dust, to leave random panties hither and yon? Maybe the Super Secret Taxpayer Funded Government Panty Patrol paid a visit to the mansion-- to plant incriminating evidence, IMO. How outrageous can we accuse, slander, or speculate? (Just be sure to put "IMO" or "JMO" in your post!)

I don't know how I could have missed THIS. The panties WERE Dina's, IMO. And that must be why Rebecca "killed herself", IMO. <sarcasm>

JMO - Pure speculation on my part, but it seems the mayor of San Diego likes women to go commando. I wonder if someone was covering for Jackson. You never know because Jonah once worked in politics. Maybe the mayor stayed at the mansion as a guest? For any locals, is the mayor a cat lover? Anyway, just a thought. I'm probably wrong because, well, Jonah said so.

Irene McCormack Jackson sued the mayor and the city July 22, alleging the mayor asked her to work without panties, demanded kisses, told her he wanted to see her naked and dragged her in a headlock while whispering in her ear. Since then, seven other women have offered detailed accounts of Filner&#8217;s alleged advances, including touching and forcible kisses.

http://www.usnewslasvegas.com/featured/san-diego-sues-its-own-mayor-over-sex-harassment-lawsuit/

 

[Gilgamesh]

JMO - Pure speculation on my part, but it seems the mayor of San Diego likes women to go commando. I wonder if someone was covering for Jackson. You never know because Jonah once worked in politics. Maybe the mayor stayed at the mansion as a guest? For any locals, is the mayor a cat lover? Anyway, just a thought, I'm probably wrong because, well, Jonah said so.

Irene McCormack Jackson sued the mayor and the city July 22, alleging the mayor asked her to work without panties, demanded kisses, told her he wanted to see her naked and dragged her in a headlock while whispering in her ear. Since then, seven other women have offered detailed accounts of Filner&#8217;s alleged advances, including touching and forcible kisses.

http://www.usnewslasvegas.com/featured/san-diego-sues-its-own-mayor-over-sex-harassment-lawsuit/

No, no, no, no, no, Lash. It's so obvious. One of the POI's used the panties as a mask worn over their head to conceal their identity. The leg holes were perfect because it allowed them to see what they were doing. Why can't everyone see that? Duh. Double duh.

 

[*Lash*]

His mistress?? That's an interesting choice of words. It's like calling her the babysitter.it dehumanizes her.

You left out gold digger, food nazi, thief and jiu jitsu murderer. Oh forget it. Rebecca was such a bad person she apparently didn't deserve to live whether she committed suicide or was murdered. I understand now, she was obviously a nobody because she was just Jonah's Asian babysitter/mistress.

 

[SweetT]

Respectfully snipped for context -


BBM - In my opinion, Rebecca was not worried about herself. I don't think she took the time during this tragic time to call her friends and boo hoo about herself. Instead she was being a support system to Jonah and Dina. Picking up people from the airport for an example. If she had been calling her friends or they calling her then we would hear how selfish she was.

She had time to go shopping, so she could have called friends, if she had any not trying to be snarky just trying to show that she did make time for other things.

 

[time]

IMO, AS is already snoring Zzzz's from the sleep aid consumed the night prior. Or not, no biggie. He may have been watching his phone and did not consume any drugs the entire day and night of his arrival. In my theory, as described in other posts, a shocked AS finds RZN, cuts her down, texts JS, who announces thru tears that his mistress was dead and found hanging to DS. DS remained completely focused on her only child, her son named Maxfield Shaknai.
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This is the most commonly used definition for Mistress:

Mistress: a woman, other than the spouse, with whom a married individual has a continuing sexual relationship (wiki).

Jonah was not married when he was with Rebecca.

Dina, however, was Jonah's mistress while he was still married to Kimberly and had two young children. So, it was Jonah's ex-mistress who killed Jonah's partner. It's too bad there were three children caught up in a bad marriage and all that hatred that seemingly carried on after the divorce.

Some people can't let go, can they? Even after it all ends in murder.

 

[time]

No, no, no, no, no, Lash. It's so obvious. One of the POI's used the panties as a mask worn over their head to conceal their identity. The leg holes were perfect because it allowed them to see what they were doing. Why can't everyone see that? Duh. Double duh.

Don't you mean 'hear' what they were doing? :drumroll:

 

[SweetT]

Rebecca was the one who was still married while Jonah and her lived together. She did get a divorce but she was officially married, Jonah was not the cheater this time. Rebecca did quit her job to "stay home and take care of Jonah's kids". To me this was a big deal so when Max got hurt she was fully responsible and she knew this. Whether it was an accident or not. She was already only a part time babysitter as another posted earlier these kids all had mommies. She also was not getting along with Jonah's teen age children, in my opinion, another fail. In fact she had talked with her sister about leaving Jonah if he didnt start having her back with the teen kids.
I mean I seriously cannot hardly stand teen agers, and even worse if you are a step parent LOL, but this was the job she signed up for. I feel it is possible that the relationship with her and Jonah was going sour and this was the last straw for both of them. She knew if Jonah kicked her out she was back to square zero, without even a job. And she knew that she had failed as a babysitter, in all respects. I can imagine her being pretty depressed about all of this and I can even see anger if she was being blamed for Max's death or injuries. I can see suicide made to look like murder, and I can see murder. I don't know which but either is possible to me.
I dont mind questioning what happened, but I also feel we should extend the same courtesy to Max's death cause I don't buy the accident falling theory. No way did it occur that way yet because police say so then people accept it, but if police say Rebecca was suicided, then we can throw that out. I still say, you find out what really happened to Max, then you will find out what happened with Rebecca

 

[*Lash*]

She had time to go shopping, so she could have called friends, if she had any not trying to be snarky just trying to show that she did make time for other things.

Hi SweetT!

Respectfully, RZ took her sister shopping at an airport, not a mall. The airport was convenient since they were waiting on a XZ's plane. Whether it was something nice to do for her sister or something to pass time while they were waiting for boarding, it was not an all out shopping trip to the mall. In my opinion, RZ was again doing something kind that has been misconstrued into something malicious or strange. It reminds me of the hug Rebecca gave Nina and how it was interpreted.

 

[bourne]

Rebecca was the one who was still married while Jonah and her lived together. She did get a divorce but she was officially married, Jonah was not the cheater this time.

snipped for space.

From your description, the "mistress" role was played by Jonah.