Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[Salem]

<modsnip>. The question had to do with your supposition regarding suicides, and whether there is a larger supposition pertaining to other surprising actions. It's not claiming murder, but rather testing the suicide assumption. I may misunderstand this thread: it's only for pro-suicide arguments, and not to test those arguments? Which thread should I respond to your point on in that case?

Hi elementry - I'm going to answer this question. This thread is for those who believe that RN committed suicide. We have a thread for those who believe it was a murder and there are a couple of threads where the discussion bounces back and forth. But this thread is specially for stating why you think it was a suicide and something as simple as "it is my gut feeling" will stand.

Hope that helps and send me a pm if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Salem

 

[Salem]

It was RZ's married name that she was first referred to when this happened Nalepa until it was found out that she had claimed her maiden name in court in the end of June and from then on was referred to as RZ.

Sorry deanna I should have read further lol

Well thank you for this explanation - I think I missed this somewhere because I continue to refer to Rebecca as RN. I will now change my ways and refer to her as RZ.

Thanks!

Salem

 

[elementry]

Hi elementry - I'm going to answer this question. This thread is for those who believe that RN committed suicide. We have a thread for those who believe it was a murder and there are a couple of threads where the discussion bounces back and forth. But this thread is specially for stating why you think it was a suicide and something as simple as "it is my gut feeling" will stand.

Hope that helps and send me a pm if you have any questions.

Thanks,

Salem

Thanks Salem for the clarification. I'm a little slow on the uptake sometimes as far as forum rules and stuff. I'm interested in the suicide theory of the case so found myself on this thread. Didn't realize this thread was not for debate but confirmation I guess. Cool with me.

 

[rosemary]

Thank you for those statistics, but the ones I posted were not about how many American-born Asians commit suicide, but about how many Asian-born Americans (which is what RZ was) feel they can't discuss depression and mental health issues with others, and that they often hide depression and suicidal feelings from their families. That is what I believe RZ did. (Opinion alert for the last sentence).

but statistically speaking, she would have been less at risk for suicide compared to other americans, since she was a foreign born asian american christian woman in her early 30's, who was able to achieve success in her professional career. even if rebecca had not been able to express her feelings and thoughts about depression and suicide to her family, she would have found other ways to look for help. in another study done, it was discovered that asian americans who were depressed often went to their doctors instead and complained of physical aches and pains rather than to seek help for their depression or mental problems. was it reported that rebecca had been going often to the doctor prior to her death complaining of any aches and pains she might have felt she was suffering from? what evidence is there that rebecca had not opened up about any feelings of depression to her family? i have also read an article where it says that her family were aware of the problems she had been having relating to some of Jonah's family members, and she had even discussed wanting to get a break away from the relationship. if rebecca could talk about intimate problems like that, why wouldn't she have been able to talk about feeling depressed or given any hints of feeling suicidal to her sister prior to her death?

 

[CDS22]

but statistically speaking, she would have been less at risk for suicide compared to other americans, since she was a foreign born asian american christian woman in her early 30's, who was able to achieve success in her professional career. even if rebecca had not been able to express her feelings and thoughts about depression and suicide to her family, she would have found other ways to look for help. in another study done, it was discovered that asian americans who were depressed often went to their doctors instead and complained of physical aches and pains rather than to seek help for their depression or mental problems. was it reported that rebecca had been going often to the doctor prior to her death complaining of any aches and pains she might have felt she was suffering from? what evidence is there that rebecca had not opened up about any feelings of depression to her family? i have also read an article where it says that her family were aware of the problems she had been having relating to some of Jonah's family members, and she had even discussed wanting to get a break away from the relationship. if rebecca could talk about intimate problems like that, why wouldn't she have been able to talk about feeling depressed or given any hints of feeling suicidal to her sister prior to her death?

Not necessarily, because suicide is more prevalent in Asian countries than it is in North America. 60% of the world's suicides happen in Asian countries:

http://www.spiorg.org/suicide_asia.html

 

[CDS22]

The sign on the door is written in broken English:

http://womenincrimeink.blogspot.com/2011/09/more-questions-than-answers-justice.html

"She save him, can he save her", according to the Zahau family's attorney.

English was not RZ's first language.

 

[thinkingstraight]

Is that why LE didnt want to release the actual writing? Because it would embarrass her? Why do you think they didn't want to show us?

 

[CDS22]

Is that why LE didnt want to release the actual writing? Because it would embarrass her? Why do you think they didn't want to show us?

I don't know, but I think they have more information they're not sharing with us.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

Is that why LE didnt want to release the actual writing? Because it would embarrass her? Why do you think they didn't want to show us?

My best guess is probably because it was considered a private communication. Stuff that the public has a right to know is shared. The public doesn't have the need to know actual content of a private message found in the residence of a suicide victim.

JMO

 

[rosemary]

Not necessarily, because suicide is more prevalent in Asian countries than it is in North America. 60% of the world's suicides happen in Asian countries:

http://www.spiorg.org/suicide_asia.html

that doesn't apply to Rebecca's case since she resided in America. The study I posted has shown that Asian Americans commit suicide less frequently than other Americans, although within this grouping, US born Asian American females in college and Asian American women aged 65 and above are the ones most at risk for suicide.

 

[CDS22]

that doesn't apply to Rebecca's case since she resided in America. The study I posted has shown that Asian Americans commit suicide less frequently than other Americans, although within this grouping, US born Asian American females in college and Asian American women aged 65 and above are the ones most at risk for suicide.

RZ spent more than 2/3 of her life in a country other than the US.

 

[rosemary]

RZ spent more than 2/3 of her life in a country other than the US.

so what's your point? what does it matter if she had spent more than 2/3 of her life in a country other than the US? she was already settled in America along with her family prior to her death. The study I posted clearly stated that foreign born Asian Americans are less likely to commit suicide than other groups. And Rebecca didn't fall into the two age groups of Asian American females that are most at risk for suicide. She was also a Christian who had strong family support, which, statistically speaking, would have made her less likely to commit suicide.

 

[CDS22]

so what's your point? what does it matter if she had spent more than 2/3 of her life in a country other than the US? she was already settled in America along with her family prior to her death. The study I posted clearly stated that foreign born Asian Americans are less likely to commit suicide than other groups. And Rebecca didn't fall into the two age groups of Asian American females that are most at risk for suicide. She was also a Christian who had strong family support, which, statistically speaking, would have made her less likely to commit suicide.

Relocating somewhere doesn't wipe out more than 2/3 of your life.

Also, people of all faiths commit suicide all the time.

 

[gemvt]

Here's why I think it might be suicide: Jonah called Rebecca and left the voice mail at 12:30 AM. He was letting her know that the police would be visiting the next day and were going to open a homicide investigation against her, XZ, or both. He was probably cruel and accusatory and threatening, and Rebecca hysterically deleted the message either in error or to make it go away as best she could. She then decided that she would never be able to win against Jonah's money and power and went about preparing to kill herself. However, she may have in her highly emotional state determined that she could make it look like a murder. That's why there are so many questionable aspects, because Rebecca intentionally but haphazardly planted them there for all to see. She may have figured that Adam would be suspect number 1 since he was there.

I just think that with the evidence as it stands it was not murder. No signs of a struggle, no defensive wounds, no concrete DNA placing someone else there...unless and until information comes out about these being present I am convinced it was a suicide done in a highly emotional, destructive state. I am not accusing Rebecca or XZ or anyone of murdering Max - I have my questions about that incident as well, but as with Rebecca's death, the evidence as it stands leads me to agree with the findings of LE.

MOO

 

[greenpalm]

Here's why I think it might be suicide: Jonah called Rebecca and left the voice mail at 12:30 AM. He was letting her know that the police would be visiting the next day and were going to open a homicide investigation against her, XZ, or both. He was probably cruel and accusatory and threatening, and Rebecca hysterically deleted the message either in error or to make it go away as best she could. She then decided that she would never be able to win against Jonah's money and power and went about preparing to kill herself. However, she may have in her highly emotional state determined that she could make it look like a murder. That's why there are so many questionable aspects, because Rebecca intentionally but haphazardly planted them there for all to see. She may have figured that Adam would be suspect number 1 since he was there.

I just think that with the evidence as it stands it was not murder. No signs of a struggle, no defensive wounds, no concrete DNA placing someone else there...unless and until information comes out about these being present I am convinced it was a suicide done in a highly emotional, destructive state. I am not accusing Rebecca or XZ or anyone of murdering Max - I have my questions about that incident as well, but as with Rebecca's death, the evidence as it stands leads me to agree with the findings of LE.

MOO

It's easy to imagine how a battle against JS would be a losing one. He is a wealthy man, and money is power. However… Rebecca was less than 16 miles from the Mexican border. If she was afraid she could never win against him, why not just run away?

driving directions from Coronado to Tijuana.

 

[jjenny]

It's easy to imagine how a battle against JS would be a losing one. He is a wealthy man, and money is power. However… Rebecca was less than 16 miles from the Mexican border. If she was afraid she could never win against him, why not just run away?

driving directions from Coronado to Tijuana.

There is also a new article in Patch. Has an interview with RN's sister. At some point RN and sister discussed RN working in Germany with sister, but RN got busy with JS and his family and never moved to Germany. So RN certainly had options even if JS decided to toss her out. Which JS himself hasn't claimed, by the way.
"Horwath opened a home decorating shop near her Hamburg home five months ago. She said Zahau was delighted by the venture and wanted to partner up, selling the wares stateside while her sister worked in Germany. Yet she became busy with her boyfriend's family, Horwath said, and couldn't follow through."
http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...-probe-death-suicide-hanging-shacknai-mansion

 

[rosemary]

Relocating somewhere doesn't wipe out more than 2/3 of your life.

Also, people of all faiths commit suicide all the time.

but the study I posted says that Asians who immigrate to America are less at risk for suicide than Asians who are born in America. I don't know why you keep insisting on the 2/3 of her life, when the study says or suggests that Asian immigrants seem to be able to cope more with life pressures than their children born in America. The group most at risk for suicide are US born Asian American females in college, and the study also mentioned that the longer a female Asian immigrant stayed in the US, the more at risk she is for suicide, which accounts for the high risk suicide rate for older Asian American women (aged 65 years and above). And yes, people of all faiths do commit suicide, but statistically speaking, the stronger a person's belief in their faith, the less likely they are to commit suicide unless they are mentally ill. Read any suicide literature out there, it mentions that religion can play a protective factor when it comes to committing suicide.

 

[rosemary]

There is also a new article in Patch. Has an interview with RN's sister. At some point RN and sister discussed RN working in Germany with sister, but RN got busy with JS and his family and never moved to Germany. So RN certainly had options even if JS decided to toss her out. Which JS himself hasn't claimed, by the way.
"Horwath opened a home decorating shop near her Hamburg home five months ago. She said Zahau was delighted by the venture and wanted to partner up, selling the wares stateside while her sister worked in Germany. Yet she became busy with her boyfriend's family, Horwath said, and couldn't follow through."
http://coronado.patch.com/articles/...-probe-death-suicide-hanging-shacknai-mansion

Based on what I've read about Jonah Shacknai, as well as the info provided by an insider here, it seems to me that he is a controlling man. Maybe he used his power and wealth to make Rebecca dependent on him, and to make her follow his orders and service his needs, so that she wasn't able to break free from him like she may have wanted when they were beginning to have problems. It certainly wouldn't be the first time that issues of power and control have occurred in relationships where the man is more richer and more powerful than the woman.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Thought I would post on this thread, where those of us that believe the SDSO was correct with their determination of suicide in the Rebecca Zahau case. Now that Dina Shacknai is questioning what happened to Max, and if Rebecca or her sister were involved, seems like this is the place we should be discussing that, since there are so many threads devoted to the "murder" theory.

Just wondering people's thoughts on whether or not Max's accident played a role in Rebecca's suicide, and if so, what was her motive for killing herself?

 

[katydid23]

Thought I would post on this thread, where those of us that believe the SDSO was correct with their determination of suicide in the Rebecca Zahau case. Now that Dina Shacknai is questioning what happened to Max, and if Rebecca or her sister were involved, seems like this is the place we should be discussing that, since there are so many threads devoted to the "murder" theory.

Just wondering people's thoughts on whether or not Max's accident played a role in Rebecca's suicide, and if so, what was her motive for killing herself?

My theory is that a few things happened that made RZ feel too depressed and angry at Jonah to continue on with her life. And I think she wanted revenge upon him as well.
My theory is that the 13 yr old girl, whom she sometimes referred to as her daughter, was somehow involved in the incident. There are weird things like about them being on the way to the beach, but the girl is in the shower when it happened. Pretty convenient. And she told odd things to the dispatcher and about the incident--like Maxie said ' Ocean' before he died. I don't believe he was able to say anything after that horrific fall. And she had injuries from the glass that needed treatment, because supposedly she was cleaning up the mess. Why would she be charged with cleaning up a bloody, glass shard filled accident scene? Don't they have help? And she was ushered out of there on the next plane out.

I think that RZ was in an impossible position, trying to cover for her younger relative and still trying to stay with her fiance. But she soon reallsed that she was getting the cold shoulder, not being allowed into the hospital, and Jonah staying away from her.

I think he called her and broke off their relationship and spoke in some ugly ways to her that night.So she decided to stage a murder scene to make his life as miserable as hers was. jmo