Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[justice be served]

It is possible that RZ with hands behind her back... put her hands on the railing, then her rear end and pushed off the top of the railing.... still the marks on the railing... she was a small woman but her rear end would have left a mark on the railing... larger than the three two inch marks... that were in the railing photos..

Still can not figure out how she got over that railing on her own ... all tied up...

what do you guys think... how did she do it?

Maybe she launched herself off the chair which then shot across the room and became overturned. The same chair that she had been tied in earlier which left the abrasions on her back. The abrasions which could not have been caused by the plant below because her back was covered by her arms tied behind her.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

I believe the story has been that she cut it afterwards, but how do we know that for sure? Do we know what time Rebecca took her to get the stitches? I'm not sure if we are allowed to discuss whether or not CPR was given, but RZ did say different things to different people about that.

I believe the official fact is that RZ did rescue breaths. It has been a long time since I learned CPR... and how you do it has changed... I would be very concerned about doing chest compression on a small child... you can break an adults ribs doing it... let alone a small child...

http://video.about.com/childcare/How-to-Give-CPR-to-Children-Over-4.htm

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Maybe she launched herself off the chair which then shot across the room and became overturned. The same chair that she had been tied in earlier which left the abrasions on her back. The abrasions which could not have been caused by the plant below because her back was covered by her arms tied behind her.

hmmmmm that is possible.... she could have sat in the chair at one point to tie her feet and then fell backwards and scraped her back....

put the chair on the balcony and fall over.... this could explain why she did not have marks on her from the railing..... this makes it an even longer drop and more likely to break the neck... which the drop did not...

how in the world would one keep their balance... feet tied, hands tied, t-shirt around your neck choking off the air, stuffed in your mouth... and in the dark... on top of that wicker chair? If this ever went to trial that could be one scenario.... but it just really becomes more of an oddity...

plus the longer the drop the more the bed should have move...

 

[justice be served]

hmmmmm that is possible.... she could have sat in the chair at one point to tie her feet and then fell backwards and scraped her back....

put the chair on the balcony and fall over.... this could explain why she did not have marks on her from the railing..... this makes it an even longer drop and more likely to break the neck... which the drop did not...

how in the world would one keep their balance... feet tied, hands tied, t-shirt around your neck choking off the air, stuffed in your mouth... and in the dark... on top of that wicker chair? If this ever went to trial that could be one scenario.... but it just really becomes more of an oddity...

plus the longer the drop the more the bed should have move...

A full reinactment in a courtroom will probably show that there was help in her "suicide". It's simply impossible to do that alone.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

I don't know if the chair would have left marks on the dirt on the balcony though... it should have with her weight and then having kicked out and then shot back into the room...

should have left some kind of marks on the balcony floor dirt...

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

I wonder if RZ tried to use the duct tape on her legs at first as a means to tie herself up... but it did not work... she pulled it apart... but the tape etc. was not in the room... did she put it all away and go and get the rope.... it would explain the remants of duct tape on her leg

 

[Betty P]

It is possible that RZ with hands behind her back... put her hands on the railing, then her rear end and pushed off the top of the railing.... still the marks on the railing... she was a small woman but her rear end would have left a mark on the railing... larger than the three two inch marks... that were in the railing photos..

Still can not figure out how she got over that railing on her own ... all tied up...

what do you guys think... how did she do it?

The markings in the dust on the railing were one of the bits of evidence that made me question the suicide story. There's just no way a woman could have gotten herself over that dusty railing leaving only a couple of very small marks. IMO, those spots look like areas where the rope disturbed the dust, but not the hips/waist/abdomen of an adult woman.

 

[justice be served]

I wonder if RZ tried to use the duct tape on her legs at first as a means to tie herself up... but it did not work... she pulled it apart... but the tape etc. was not in the room... did she put it all away and go and get the rope.... it would explain the remants of duct tape on her leg

She may have been a very neat person. After all, she showered presumably before killing herself. Wonder how many people do that right before they kill themselves?

 

[Betty P]

hmmmmm that is possible.... she could have sat in the chair at one point to tie her feet and then fell backwards and scraped her back....

put the chair on the balcony and fall over.... this could explain why she did not have marks on her from the railing..... this makes it an even longer drop and more likely to break the neck... which the drop did not...

how in the world would one keep their balance... feet tied, hands tied, t-shirt around your neck choking off the air, stuffed in your mouth... and in the dark... on top of that wicker chair? If this ever went to trial that could be one scenario.... but it just really becomes more of an oddity...

plus the longer the drop the more the bed should have move...

Not to mention, the chair would have been discovered overturned on the balcony, not in the bedroom. Remember, the doors to the balcony were closed, only opened later by LE.

 

[justice be served]

Not to mention, the chair would have been discovered overturned on the balcony, not in the bedroom. Remember, the doors to the balcony were closed, only opened later by LE.

Good point, Betty P. I wonder why she would have closed the doors first before somehow making it over the rail? But that is only trumped by why she would have done it all in the dark. Especially the note she wrote on the door. In the dark would have been tough. Too bad it hasn't been shown. Maybe it was sloppily written.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Good point, Betty P. I wonder why she would have closed the doors first before somehow making it over the rail? But that is only trumped by why she would have done it all in the dark. Especially the note she wrote on the door. In the dark would have been tough. Too bad it hasn't been shown. Maybe it was sloppily written.

We don't know for sure..... about the doors... by the time the helicopters flew by... the police were there... I think that is when the doors were closed..
there is a photo of them open from the ground up that Le took... that is where I noticed the lights were out.....

LE could have turned out the lights and closed the doors... we don't know for sure...

 

[Salem]

Hey Guys - there is a thread for why you think it was murder - please use it. This thread is for why you think it was a suicide and is a NON-Argument thread (we have enough arguing threads, thank you very much).

If you do not believe it was suicide, that's fine, you can post that and post respectfully why, BUT you can not argue or follow every post around and try to refute it. State your case and move on. The same goes for the "think it was murder" thread.

NO ARGUING allowed in these 2 threads.

Salem

As always, if you have questions, pm a moderator.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

The document addressed to Jonah that was found at the scene was never discussed by LE. If this had been a sort of last message to Jonah from Rebecca, would LE have to disclose that? I've always wondered if there was more to that than we were told.

 

[Inparadise]

The document addressed to Jonah that was found at the scene was never discussed by LE. If this had been a sort of last message to Jonah from Rebecca, would LE have to disclose that? I've always wondered if there was more to that than we were told.

And it could have very well been mail, like a magazine or something else that arrived via USPS............there was never a statement that it was something from Rebecca addressed to Jonah.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

And it could have very well been mail, like a magazine or something else that arrived via USPS............there was never a statement that it was something from Rebecca addressed to Jonah.

I doubt that, since it was taken as evidence. IMO, it was something personal.

 

[Inparadise]

I doubt that, since it was taken as evidence. IMO, it was something personal.

Perhaps it was something from Dina?

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Perhaps it was something from Dina?

Or maybe something from XZ?

 

[freespeech]

The document addressed to Jonah that was found at the scene was never discussed by LE. If this had been a sort of last message to Jonah from Rebecca, would LE have to disclose that? I've always wondered if there was more to that than we were told.

SDSO's "evidence" for suicide was so flimsy they would have already used the document to support their suicide determination if it were anything important or significant to the investigation. Whatever it is, the Zahaus and Bremner know about it and apparently weren't impressed with it because they are still challenging the suicide ruling. <modsnip>. Jmoo.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

Doubtful, since she didn't know the address for 911.

I doubt she would have the address on it! Just "Jonah" would do. And she could have left him a note thanking him for the trip and expressing her sadness about Max's injury, IMO.

 

[CuriousGeorgia]

SDSO's "evidence" for suicide was so flimsy they would have already used the document to support their suicide determination if it were anything important or significant to the investigation. Whatever it is, the Zahaus and Bremner know about it and apparently weren't impressed with it because they are still challenging the suicide ruling. <modsnip> Jmoo.

I find the evidence they had very compelling and proof that it was suicide. I think the Zahaus would have been challenging the suicide ruling even IF Rebecca had left a clear note saying why she did what she did. They are in major denial, IMO, and would have been no matter what.

I think that if it were a personal note to Jonah from Rebecca, that LE would have kept it quiet, and that the Zahaus or Bremner would never mention it.

JMO