Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[MyBelle]

I believe people commit suicide in unusual ways all the time. In my opinion, a suicidal person is already not quite thinking straight and their mind is tormented. I believe because of this, unusual suicides happen. Who really knows what a suicidal person is actually thinking at the time they take their life. How much sanity is included in their thoughts cannot be known. Most likely, their thought process is not sane. As unusual as Rebecca's death was, I don't find it hard to believe a person may commit suicide in a similar manner. I don't question a suicide could happen like this. I question the story we have been told, the lack of evidence, missing pieces, pieces that don't add up and the poor investigation to support the conclusion Rebecca's death was a suicide.

In a suicide, I wouldn't expert there to be a lot of evidence of a homicide. I don't agree that RZ's death investigation was a "poor" one. It involved many agencies working together.

JMO

 

[greenpalm]

I believe people commit suicide in unusual ways all the time. In my opinion, a suicidal person is already not quite thinking straight and their mind is tormented. I believe because of this, unusual suicides happen. Who really knows what a suicidal person is actually thinking at the time they take their life. How much sanity is included in their thoughts cannot be known. Most likely, their thought process is not sane. As unusual as Rebecca's death was, I don't find it hard to believe a person may commit suicide in a similar manner. I don't question a suicide could happen like this. I question the story we have been told, the lack of evidence, missing pieces, pieces that don't add up and the poor investigation to support the conclusion Rebecca's death was a suicide.

I agree. It's not a question of a suicide like this one being plausible. It's simply that the SDSO investigation was full of holes, and left many questions unanswered. one example would be that given the weight of the bed, and Rebecca's weight, the bed didn't slide far enough.

Also, if she pre measured the rope before she cut it, then why was there only one set of foot prints in the dust on the balcony? If she draped the rope over to measure it before she cut it, she would have needed to go out there twice. Once to measure, then, a second time after her feet were bound, to actually make the jump.

And, why would she paint the note in third person?

 

[bourne]

I agree. It's not a question of a suicide like this one being plausible. It's simply that the SDSO investigation was full of holes, and left many questions unanswered. one example would be that given the weight of the bed, and Rebecca's weight, the bed didn't slide far enough.

Also, if she pre measured the rope before she cut it, then why was there only one set of foot prints in the dust on the balcony? If she draped the rope over to measure it before she cut it, she would have needed to go out there twice. Once to measure, then, a second time after her feet were bound, to actually make the jump.

And, why would she paint the note in third person?

I concur. It's not whether people who are suicidal are incapable of going to extremes to kill themselves, but that the physical evidence and Rebecca's psychological profile in this specific case directly contradict the suicide ruling.

 

[MyBelle]

I agree. It's not a question of a suicide like this one being plausible. It's simply that the SDSO investigation was full of holes, and left many questions unanswered. one example would be that given the weight of the bed, and Rebecca's weight, the bed didn't slide far enough.

Also, if she pre measured the rope before she cut it, then why was there only one set of foot prints in the dust on the balcony? If she draped the rope over to measure it before she cut it, she would have needed to go out there twice. Once to measure, then, a second time after her feet were bound, to actually make the jump.

And, why would she paint the note in third person?

Where do you get that she pre-measured the rope? She may have just estimated it visually or stepped-off the distance from the bed to the door leading to the balcony and then double it. She didn't need to go onto the balcony at all to determine length of rope needed.

Why she painted the door message in third person is known only to RZ. Perhaps she felt herself a third wheel when it came to JS's relationship with Max. Perhaps she wanted to blame JS rather than herself. Her sister has said RZ did not view herself as responsible for Max's accident. That's not a reaction one would expect from an adult who supposedly loved the child.

JMO

 

[minazoe]

if indeed RN was told that night that she had to move out or leave, I can feel her suicide,

here's what I think if this indeed happened.

she went from hero to zero

there is something hinky in the death of Max...and this girl went from being the family prize, with a billionaire for a potential husband, to a shamed and discarded person with no power, no legal rights and only the clothes on her back, which sound like basically just bikini's.

I think it's very possible that she was involved in the death of Max. Some women are not how we perceive them behind closed doors... a very active child like Max can be extremely annoying, especially when it's not your kid.

I think she may have stood on the edge of the chair and kicked it backwards behind her,
possibly just having a shoulder or part of her knee actually touch the rail.

at any rate, has anyone found any bondage like this in any movies like the housemaid?

I think there is chance that she liked this film genre...and I think she killed herself out of
anger and humiliation in front of her family, losing her worth by losing her man. I don't think she was focused on Max, only focused on trying to retain her tenure in the household.

I still think the police know something, and that it may not be the first time RN has tied herself up or been tied up.

 

[minazoe]

has anyone seen this?

http://www.cbs8.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-🤬🤬🤬🤬-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer

sorta bingo.

 

[time]

has anyone seen this?

http://www.cbs8.com/story/16083634/zahau-attorney-bondage-🤬🤬🤬🤬-found-on-coronado-mansion-computer

sorta bingo.

We've talked about his a lot here already. No idea what 'sorta bingo" means. I do not believe Rebecca was watching this on Tuesday. She was also gone a lot that day and the was accessed via SW Airline account (somehow).

 

[bourne]

I responded to a poster above but I decided my reply is best suited for the topic, "The case for murder" so I have cut & pasted it there along with the poster's original comments.

 

[Inparadise]

Not sure what you mean by she went from "hero to zero"?

Becky was a humble modest woman who also spoke her mind and expressed her feelings -- negative and positive ones -- in healthy, constructive ways. She was a healthy young vibrant woman who loved life and her family, especially her sisters. Mary was her best friend.

I don't believe for one second that Becky was a melodrama queen who inflated her own ego and thought she was flawless and perfect, as you have insinuated here. The only person who seems to characterize herself that way is Dina, who described herself as a "statuesque", brilliant, renaissance goddess/perfect mother to Max to the author of the "Boy Interrupted" article. The only person who flies off the handle in a violent rage is Dina. The only one who drinks to oblivion and cannot wake up when the cops are pounding at her door to alert her of her beloved child's critical accident is Dina.

Let's not get carried away with Dina's projections onto an innocent, beautiful young woman of 32 like Becky.

If anyone is a melodrama queen, it's Dina who from all the evidence we have, is the prime suspect in Becky's murder. Dina must have felt like -- as you say -- a big ZERO -- because she lost not only Jonah to Becky, but also Max and the wealth, status and power that accompanied the life she had once lived with Jonah. That in and of itself is motive for Dina to want Becky dead.

Vengeance, hatred, jealousy, bitterness, plus drunken stupors were all Dina's motives. Couple those vices with losing the loves of her life Jonah AND Max and the "good life of money, status, and power", and we have the making of the perfect storm for a murderer.

Bourne, I couldn't have said it better myself!!!!!!!

 

[MyBelle]

if indeed RN was told that night that she had to move out or leave, I can feel her suicide,

here's what I think if this indeed happened.

she went from hero to zero

there is something hinky in the death of Max...and this girl went from being the family prize, with a billionaire for a potential husband, to a shamed and discarded person with no power, no legal rights and only the clothes on her back, which sound like basically just bikini's.

I think it's very possible that she was involved in the death of Max. Some women are not how we perceive them behind closed doors... a very active child like Max can be extremely annoying, especially when it's not your kid.

I think she may have stood on the edge of the chair and kicked it backwards behind her,
possibly just having a shoulder or part of her knee actually touch the rail.

at any rate, has anyone found any bondage like this in any movies like the housemaid?

I think there is chance that she liked this film genre...and I think she killed herself out of
anger and humiliation in front of her family, losing her worth by losing her man. I don't think she was focused on Max, only focused on trying to retain her tenure in the household.

I still think the police know something, and that it may not be the first time RN has tied herself up or been tied up.

I agree with your theory. Her tenure in the household was broken permanently. Whether she was directly responsible for Max's injuries or not, it happened while she was responsible for his safety and any parent would have a difficult--if not impossible--time trying not to blame her from the very beginning.

I think RZ played her own version of the blame game and accessed the with a Southwest credit card to make it appear that it was Jonah doing the browzing. She then staged her suicide. A very troubled young woman she was.

JMO

 

[time]

I agree with your theory. Her tenure in the household was broken permanently. Whether she was directly responsible for Max's injuries or not, it happened while she was responsible for his safety and any parent would have a difficult--if not impossible--time trying not to blame her from the very beginning.

I think RZ played her own version of the blame game and accessed the with a Southwest credit card to make it appear that it was Jonah doing the browzing. She then staged her suicide. A very troubled young woman she was.

JMO

Surely you can come up with something better than this. By all indications, Jonah did not blame her for Max's death. Dina's opinion did not matter as far as Rebecca's future with Jonah.

To claim Rebecca somehow accessed on that busy Tuesday doesn't makes any sense, let alone now to claim it was to play 'the blame game' and 'staged a suicide' - I'm not even sure what you mean by staged a suicide? :what:

Lastly, you have no sources to back up that Rebecca was very troubled.

 

[Inparadise]

Surely you can come up with something better than this. By all indications, Jonah did not blame her for Max's death. Dina's opinion did not matter as far as Rebecca's future with Jonah.

To claim Rebecca somehow accessed on that busy Tuesday doesn't makes any sense, let alone now to claim it was to play 'the blame game' and 'staged a suicide' - I'm not even sure what you mean by staged a suicide? :what:

Lastly, you have no sources to back up that Rebecca was very troubled.

IMO, from what I have seen of Dina, she is the troubled one.....the ex-wife who couldn't let go.

 

[MyBelle]

Surely you can come up with something better than this. By all indications, Jonah did not blame her for Max's death. Dina's opinion did not matter as far as Rebecca's future with Jonah.

To claim Rebecca somehow accessed on that busy Tuesday doesn't makes any sense, let alone now to claim it was to play 'the blame game' and 'staged a suicide' - I'm not even sure what you mean by staged a suicide? :what:

Lastly, you have no sources to back up that Rebecca was very troubled.

Lastly, I do have sources: SDSO and the ME are my sources. A person commits suicide and it is an indication they are very troubled. RZ was trying to stage her suicide as a homicide but the SDSO were able to determine the truth.

What indications do you have that Jonah didn't blame Rebecca for Max's death? His son died while in her care. It is human nature to place blame and a parent's love for his child usually takes a priority position.

I believe he told her he wanted her totally out of his home and his life and understandably so. RZ couldn't handle the rejection.

JMO

 

[time]

Lastly, I do have sources: SDSO and the ME are my sources. A person commits suicide and it is an indication they are very troubled. RZ was trying to stage her suicide as a homicide but the SDSO were able to determine the truth.

What indications do you have that Jonah didn't blame Rebecca for Max's death? His son died while in her care. It is human nature to place blame and a parent's love for his child usually takes a priority position.

I believe he told her he wanted her totally out of his home and his life and understandably so. RZ couldn't handle the rejection.

JMO

Think about what you are saying. They conduct a criminal investigation but decide it's a suicide and then support that with she must be very troubled. Then posters like you use the fact that LE claimed she committed suicide to claim she must be very troubled. See what I mean. There is no proof she was troubled, the claim is just that if she committed suicide then she must be troubled.

"What indications do you have that Jonah didn't blame Rebecca for Max's death?"

Here again, because there was nothing said that he did. Can you find anything? You just can't assume that he did as an artifact of a suicide ruling then try to use it to support that she must have committed suicide. You can't just claim it's human nature now. In my family we don't place blame about these kinds of things, blame was just not a big part of my childhood so are we unnatural? And, why is loving a child a priority thing over someone else? Geesh.

"I believe he told her he wanted her totally out of his home and his life and understandably so. RZ couldn't handle the rejection."

You believe that based on what exactly? And, you're claiming all this happened within like a day and a half to boot. This is all a very weak argument at best and I see Dina and Nina do not figure into your theory at all - how convenient that everything pointing their way is just dismissed. I'm sure you know Rebecca much better than Jonah and her family, right?

 

[MyBelle]

Think about what you are saying. They conduct a criminal investigation but decide it's a suicide and then support that with she must be very troubled. Then posters like you use the fact that LE claimed she committed suicide to claim she must be very troubled. See what I mean. There is no proof she was troubled, the claim is just that if she committed suicide then she must be troubled.

"What indications do you have that Jonah didn't blame Rebecca for Max's death?"

Here again, because there was nothing said that he did. Can you find anything? You just can't assume that he did as an artifact of a suicide ruling then try to use it to support that she must have committed suicide. You can't just claim it's human nature now. In my family we don't place blame about these kinds of things, blame was just not a big part of my childhood so are we unnatural? And, why is loving a child a priority thing over someone else? Geesh.

"I believe he told her he wanted her totally out of his home and his life and understandably so. RZ couldn't handle the rejection."

You believe that based on what exactly? And, you're claiming all this happened within like a day and a half to boot. This is all a very weak argument at best and I see Dina and Nina do not figure into your theory at all - how convenient that everything pointing their way is just dismissed. I'm sure you know Rebecca much better than Jonah and her family, right?

I don't need to know Rebecca personally to form an opinion. The topic of this forum is suicide, not Dina and Nina.

I don't need proof other than her self-inflicted death to form my opinion that a person who commits suicide is troubled. Troubled people also can be depressed, exhibit poor judgment (shoplifting) and not reveal any of it to those who are around them. The SDSO did investigate and interview people who knew RZ.

And I certainly can and have assumed that it is human nature for a parent to place blame on the adult to whom they entrusted the care of their child. Marriages have ended after a child dies so it isn't surprising to believe a relationship without that bond wouldn't survive.

Rebecca was a deeply troubled young woman and her death was unfortunate but she and only she was responsible.

JMO

 

[Inparadise]

I don't need to know Rebecca personally to form an opinion. The topic of this forum is suicide, not Dina and Nina.

I don't need proof other than her self-inflicted death to form my opinion that a person who commits suicide is troubled. Troubled people also can be depressed, exhibit poor judgment (shoplifting) and not reveal any of it to those who are around them. The SDSO did investigate and interview people who knew RZ.

And I certainly can and have assumed that it is human nature for a parent to place blame on the adult to whom they entrusted the care of their child. Marriages have ended after a child dies so it isn't surprising to believe a relationship without that bond wouldn't survive.

Rebecca was a deeply troubled young woman and her death was unfortunate but she and only she was responsible.

JMO

I happen to know of several women married to very wealthy men in PV who have been charged with shoplifting multiple times.....and not everyone who takes there own life is "troubled". Some decide to take this route because they suffer from a terminal illness, and prefer to spare their loved ones the pain and hardship of seeing them deteriorate over time.

 

[MyBelle]

I happen to know of several women married to very wealthy men in PV who have been charged with shoplifting multiple times.....and not everyone who takes there own life is "troubled". Some decide to take this route because they suffer from a terminal illness, and prefer to spare their loved ones the pain and hardship of seeing them deteriorate over time.

I never stated all shoplifters commit suicide. I said: Troubled people also can be depressed, exhibit poor judgment (shoplifting) and not reveal any of it to those who are around them. The SDSO did investigate and interview people who knew RZ.

We all know RZ was not suffering from a terminal illness. I've never heard of someone suffering from a terminal illness who has chosen to do it publicly while nude and also makes the suicide look like a homicide. To me, RZ's actions fall into the category of mental/emotional unbalanced. Or, "troubled."

JMO

 

[time]

I never stated all shoplifters commit suicide. I said: Troubled people also can be depressed, exhibit poor judgment (shoplifting) and not reveal any of it to those who are around them. The SDSO did investigate and interview people who knew RZ.

We all know RZ was not suffering from a terminal illness. I've never heard of someone suffering from a terminal illness who has chosen to do it publicly while nude and also makes the suicide look like a homicide. To me, RZ's actions fall into the category of mental/emotional unbalanced. Or, "troubled."

JMO

I do not think you can term someone emotionally or mentally unbalanced from one incident of shoplifting. It very well could be that one incident was bad judgment, but that does not indicate a continuing problem with anything. It's a misdemeanor. I would not even term one DUI as indicating continuing mental imbalance or many other things that are misdemeanors. However, continued emotional and physical abuse between partners, in one's own home with a child and abusing alcohol or drugs is a sign of someone who has problems.

You keep saying this is a suicide that looks like a homicide, but there is no indication of that. And, no reason Rebecca would commit suicide because she was depressed but also thought to try and pin it on someone - if she did, then she sure didn't make it look like Jonah was the culprit.

Since you are bringing homicide into this thread, then I think it's appropriate to reply that this looks like a homicide, not a suicide trying to disguise itself as a homicide. One can only painfully twist things so far until they make no sense.

 

[MyBelle]

I do not think you can term someone emotionally or mentally unbalanced from one incident of shoplifting. It very well could be that one incident was bad judgment, but that does not indicate a continuing problem with anything. It's a misdemeanor. I would not even term one DUI as indicating continuing mental imbalance or many other things that are misdemeanors. However, continued emotional and physical abuse between partners, in one's own home with a child and abusing alcohol or drugs is a sign of someone who has problems.

You keep saying this is a suicide that looks like a homicide, but there is no indication of that. And, no reason Rebecca would commit suicide because she was depressed but also thought to try and pin it on someone - if she did, then she sure didn't make it look like Jonah was the culprit.

Since you are bringing homicide into this thread, then I think it's appropriate to reply that this looks like a homicide, not a suicide trying to disguise itself as a homicide. One can only painfully twist things so far until they make no sense.

The grave injuries and looming death of her lover's child who was injured while under her care, no job, poor relationship with Jonah's other children, depression noted by others have all been mentioned as reasons that led to suicide. I think all are clear signs of a deeply troubled person.

The ruling of suicide still stands more than a year later with no signs of a new investigation. The SDSO has made it clear it was a compiliation of evidence that lead to the conclusion. It was investigated as a homicide at first but there was no evidence of homicide that was actually found. Investigators must follow the real evidence, not the emotional finger-pointing by those in denial.

Blaming Dina for RZ's poor decisions isn't going to change the real evidence.

JMO

 

[Gilgamesh]

I do not think you can term someone emotionally or mentally unbalanced from one incident of shoplifting. It very well could be that one incident was bad judgment, but that does not indicate a continuing problem with anything. It's a misdemeanor. I would not even term one DUI as indicating continuing mental imbalance or many other things that are misdemeanors. However, continued emotional and physical abuse between partners, in one's own home with a child and abusing alcohol or drugs is a sign of someone who has problems.

You keep saying this is a suicide that looks like a homicide, but there is no indication of that. And, no reason Rebecca would commit suicide because she was depressed but also thought to try and pin it on someone - if she did, then she sure didn't make it look like Jonah was the culprit.

Since you are bringing homicide into this thread, then I think it's appropriate to reply that this looks like a homicide, not a suicide trying to disguise itself as a homicide. One can only painfully twist things so far until they make no sense.

And that point has been reached, IMO