Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[MyBelle]

And that point has been reached, IMO

I agree. There apparently has been no compelling evidence to change the ME's conclusion of suicide.

JMO

 

[minazoe]

I"m not saying she was ever troubled, but sometimes circumstances are overwhelming and it sounds like she wasn't getting any help in dealing with her own emotions.

people freak out when they lose everything. she may have had nothing to do with what happened, and what a horrible position, to simply be in another room...

the trauma of the child''s death and the loss of her billionaires affections are well enough to cause a suicide, also that balcony is no more than a foot to 20 inches to the window, so I say she needed a chair and stood on the chair at the opening to what is more a railing than a true balcony. I think it was too high for her to go over with out the chair, so maybe really didnt touch that dust at all when she went over

 

[MyBelle]

I"m not saying she was ever troubled, but sometimes circumstances are overwhelming and it sounds like she wasn't getting any help in dealing with her own emotions.

people freak out when they lose everything. she may have had nothing to do with what happened, and what a horrible position, to simply be in another room...

the trauma of the child''s death and the loss of her billionaires affections are well enough to cause a suicide, also that balcony is no more than a foot to 20 inches to the window, so I say she needed a chair and stood on the chair at the opening to what is more a railing than a true balcony. I think it was too high for her to go over with out the chair, so maybe really didnt touch that dust at all when she went over

I think she expected her life with Jonah to be a fairy tale and what she received was a heavy dose of reality.

JMO

 

[Quester]

I think she expected her life with Jonah to be a fairy tale and what she received was a heavy dose of reality.

JMO

. . . with a lashing to her back, four knocks on the head, and a pretty choker around her neck . . . now that's "a heavy dose of reality"! JMVHO

 

[MyBelle]

. . . with a lashing to her back, four knocks on the head, and a pretty choker around her neck . . . now that's "a heavy dose of reality"! JMVHO

self-inflicted and not surprising.

JMO

 

[Quester]

self-inflicted and not surprising.

JMO

Preposterous!

 

[TorisMom003]

self-inflicted and not surprising.

JMO

I'm still not understanding how the four knocks to her head could have been self-inflicted. I simply do not see how that could happen with a suicide hanging. Any thoughts or opinions on how it happened?

 

[MyBelle]

Preposterous!

Not according to the ME, who ruled it suicide.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

I'm still not understanding how the four knocks to her head could have been self-inflicted. I simply do not see how that could happen with a suicide hanging. Any thoughts or opinions on how it happened?

I don't see it all that unusual or any different than gunshots or knife-wounds that can be self-inflicted.

JMO

 

[Quester]

Not according to the ME, who ruled it suicide.

JMO

Which was also preposterous!

 

[TorisMom003]

I don't see it all that unusual or any different than gunshots or knife-wounds that can be self-inflicted.

JMO

So Rebecca hit herself in the head four times? Was this before or after the hanging? And wasn't there an expert that said the hits to Rebecca's head would have knocked her out? So if the head wounds came before the hanging then how did she hang herself? If they came after the hanging then how did it happen? Again, I just don't see how those four wounds could be self-inflicted.

 

[Carioca]

<respectfully clipped>also that balcony is no more than a foot to 20 inches to the window, so I say she needed a chair and stood on the chair at the opening to what is more a railing than a true balcony. I think it was too high for her to go over with out the chair, so maybe really didnt touch that dust at all when she went over

According to LE, no chair on balcony. Only chair in the room was the whicker one. Also no chair prints on balcony..

 

[time]

I"m not saying she was ever troubled, but sometimes circumstances are overwhelming and it sounds like she wasn't getting any help in dealing with her own emotions.

people freak out when they lose everything. she may have had nothing to do with what happened, and what a horrible position, to simply be in another room...

the trauma of the child''s death and the loss of her billionaires affections are well enough to cause a suicide, also that balcony is no more than a foot to 20 inches to the window, so I say she needed a chair and stood on the chair at the opening to what is more a railing than a true balcony. I think it was too high for her to go over with out the chair, so maybe really didnt touch that dust at all when she went over

That's the point if you look at the evidence ... very difficult for her to go over the railing based on height, because her hands and feet were bound, because not enough dust was disturbed, because there was no chair, and because there was a risk the rope was too long and it would not kill her. I'd also add I think there would be more of her footprints if this was a suicide and she was alone on that balcony.

Just curious, have you looked at all the evidence in this case?

 

[MyBelle]

So Rebecca hit herself in the head four times? Was this before or after the hanging? And wasn't there an expert that said the hits to Rebecca's head would have knocked her out? So if the head wounds came before the hanging then how did she hang herself? If they came after the hanging then how did it happen? Again, I just don't see how those four wounds could be self-inflicted.

I've seen no expert who examined her body say that the head wounds would have knocked her out or were of such severity she was incapable of hanging herself.

JMO

 

[time]

self-inflicted and not surprising.

JMO

No doubt it was some kind of self flagellation probably connected to her religious beliefs and we know that because she once wrote in a diary, like eons ago, that she felt bad about something. This could be explained as having a conscience, but we know better, it was actually just the start of some serious mental imbalance.

 

[TorisMom003]

I've seen no expert who examined her body say that the head wounds would have knocked her out or were of such severity she was incapable of hanging herself.

JMO

That examined her body, no. That examined the autopsy report, yes. Wecht has made it known that he feels the wounds to Rebecca's head shows that there was a struggle in his opinion. Despite what LE claims. Not to mention the overturned chair in the room that IMO also shows signs of a struggle.

 

[bourne]

No doubt it was some kind of self flagellation probably connected to her religious beliefs and we know that because she once wrote in a diary, like eons ago, that she felt bad about something. This could be explained as having a conscience, but we know better, it was actually just the start of some serious mental imbalance.

Thanks! This made my day & crack me up in laughter! :floorlaugh:

 

[MyBelle]

That examined her body, no. That examined the autopsy report, yes. Wecht has made it known that he feels the wounds to Rebecca's head shows that there was a struggle in his opinion. Despite what LE claims. Not to mention the overturned chair in the room that IMO also shows signs of a struggle.

An overturned chair can be overturned rather easily without a struggle. I wonder if Dr. Wecht was aware the child's mother felt his death was a homicide at the time he made his analysis. I bet not. He certainly went fairly mute after learning her suspicions.

I think it would be impossible for Dr. Wecht to conclude wounds were inflicted as a result of a struggle vs. self-inflicted.

JMO

 

[time]

An overturned chair can be overturned rather easily without a struggle. I wonder if Dr. Wecht was aware the child's mother felt his death was a homicide at the time he made his analysis. I bet not. He certainly went fairly mute after learning her suspicions.

I think it would be impossible for Dr. Wecht to conclude wounds were inflicted as a result of a struggle vs. self-inflicted.

JMO

What difference would that make? Besides Wecht was back on the show when Melinek and Dina were on claiming Max was assaulted and he didn't back off his opinion then. Do you expect him to be biased by Dina's opinion and why would her opinion about Max have anything to do with changing his opinion to self-inflicted head wounds? :banghead:

In your opinion did Rebecca tie her feet and hands first and then inflict the wounds or inflict the wounds and then decide she needed something more drastic, so she then concocted the bondage hanging/scenario.

 

[TorisMom003]

An overturned chair can be overturned rather easily without a struggle. I wonder if Dr. Wecht was aware the child's mother felt his death was a homicide at the time he made his analysis. I bet not. He certainly went fairly mute after learning her suspicions.

I think it would be impossible for Dr. Wecht to conclude wounds were inflicted as a result of a struggle vs. self-inflicted.

JMO

I'm not sure how the mother's feelings about her childs accidental death would make the evidence in a suicide/homicide case become any different than what it was before the feelings of the mother was known. The facts of the case remain the same. There are unexplained things that would still be unexplained no matter what the mother feels or believes. The head wounds do not suddenly make sense now, the tape residue on Rebecca's legs do not now present a clear cut reason for being there, etc.

There has still been no answer as to how Rebecca could have self-inflicted 4 wounds on the top of her head during a suicidal hanging. And yes, people have been known to shoot and/or stab themselves. However, how many of them do so four times to the top of their head, strangle themselves and then hang themselves all during the course of the same short time frame?

MOO