Reasons why you think it could be suicide

[kittychi]

I have a question for those who are making the case for suicide...

Why you think she would have used gloves with the paint? They didn't really work to keep the paint off of her if she had wanted to present a totally clean (and showered) body.

TIA

I still have this question:

Why did Rebecca use gloves if she committed suicide?

Thanks in advance!

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I still have this question:

Why did Rebecca use gloves if she committed suicide?

Thanks in advance!

Because, IMO, it was a suicide staged as a murder.

*Ducking head and running away before things fly at me*

 

[kittychi]

Because, IMO, it was a suicide staged as a murder.

*Ducking head and running away before things fly at me*

I don't agree with you, but thank you for your answer.

This is a lot of staging after the 12:30 phone call until her estimated time of death per SDLE:

1. Going to the garage to get the rope
2. Getting the gloves and paint
3. Painting message on the door
4. Setting up and tying elaborate and perfectly measured hanging system with the rope
5. Tying her ankles
6. Wrapping her neck with the tee shirt and stuffing it in her mouth
7. Tying her hands
8. Knocking over the wicker chair
9. Turning the light off
10. Carefully tip-toeing across the carpet without leaving dirt from her feet
11. Leaving one small footprint on the balcony and disturbing only inches of dust on the rail when she flipped herself over it.

This list excludes any time it would have taken her to think and plan this out. By contrast, a murderer had two days to pre-meditate this scenario.

A re-enactment should have been done of all the things that SDLE claimed RZ did to to set up her suicide AND stage it to look like a murder.

IMO

 

[kittychi]

Because, IMO, it was a suicide staged as a murder.

*Ducking head and running away before things fly at me*

I realize that you added IMO to your sentence, but I do not recall that SDLE claimed RZ staged a suicide to look like a murder

But have I missed something? Did SDLE ever claim that RZ staged her suicide to look like a murder?

TIA

 

[coastal]

I don't agree with you, but thank you for your answer.

This is a lot of staging after the 12:30 phone call until her estimated time of death per SDLE:

1. Going to the garage to get the rope
2. Getting the gloves and paint
3. Painting message on the door
4. Setting up and tying elaborate and perfectly measured hanging system with the rope
5. Tying her ankles
6. Wrapping her neck with the tee shirt and stuffing it in her mouth
7. Tying her hands
8. Knocking over the wicker chair
9. Turning the light off
10. Carefully tip-toeing across the carpet without leaving dirt from her feet
11. Leaving one small footprint on the balcony and disturbing only inches of dust on the rail when she flipped herself over it.

This list excludes any time it would have taken her to think and plan this out. By contrast, a murderer had two days to pre-meditate this scenario.

A re-enactment should have been done of all the things that SDLE claimed RZ did to to set up her suicide AND stage it to look like a murder.

IMO

Don't forget:
# Bleeding in shower and hall so as to leave insulting mess behind
# Pulling out a clump of hair to leave in shower
# Taping, then removing tape, from shins/calf
# Bruising own head x3

I have to say, if Rebecca did kill herself, she did an excellent job of creating a murder scene to leave behind herself.

 

[screecher]

Jonah did not hire a lawyer until AB began releasing information that was erroneous.



BBM
In and out of the hospital? I thought she was not allowed to see Maxie at the hospital so why was RZ indicating to her sister that she was?

moo

snipped and bolded by me.

Absolutely, Jonah Shacknai (possibly via his lackeys) hired a lawyer.

Go here to read. "Who was Pfingst representing at the mansion?"

In and out of the hospital. Yeah, I believe Rebecca had been in and out of the hospital. Dina Romano (back then and now) simply did/does not have the clout or power to forbid a person to enter a public space.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I realize that you added IMO to your sentence, but I do not recall that SDLE claimed RZ staged a suicide to look like a murder

But have I missed something? Did SDLE ever claim that RZ staged her suicide to look like a murder?

TIA

You are absolutely right. I never said I agreed with the SDLE's reasoning behind her suicide.

 

[MyBelle]

snipped and bolded by me.

Absolutely, Jonah Shacknai (possibly via his lackeys) hired a lawyer.

Go here to read. "Who was Pfingst representing at the mansion?"

In and out of the hospital. Yeah, I believe Rebecca had been in and out of the hospital. Dina Romano (back then and now) simply did/does not have the clout or power to forbid a person to enter a public space.

BBM. The topic isn't about Pfingst or hospital visitation polices for ICU patients but Rady Hospital isn't a public place. The hospital decides who can come and go into the ICU.

JMO

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Don't forget:
# Bleeding in shower and hall so as to leave insulting mess behind
# Pulling out a clump of hair to leave in shower
# Taping, then removing tape, from shins/calf
# Bruising own head x3

I have to say, if Rebecca did kill herself, she did an excellent job of creating a murder scene to leave behind herself.

Why do you think those things all happened within that time frame?

 

[MyBelle]

You are absolutely right. I never said I agreed with the SDLE's reasoning behind her suicide.

I think most suicides lack reasoning that can be understood by others.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I don't agree with you, but thank you for your answer.

This is a lot of staging after the 12:30 phone call until her estimated time of death per SDLE:

1. Going to the garage to get the rope
2. Getting the gloves and paint
3. Painting message on the door
4. Setting up and tying elaborate and perfectly measured hanging system with the rope
5. Tying her ankles
6. Wrapping her neck with the tee shirt and stuffing it in her mouth
7. Tying her hands
8. Knocking over the wicker chair
9. Turning the light off
10. Carefully tip-toeing across the carpet without leaving dirt from her feet
11. Leaving one small footprint on the balcony and disturbing only inches of dust on the rail when she flipped herself over it.

This list excludes any time it would have taken her to think and plan this out. By contrast, a murderer had two days to pre-meditate this scenario.

A re-enactment should have been done of all the things that SDLE claimed RZ did to to set up her suicide AND stage it to look like a murder.

IMO

I actually have many theories that would probably only irritate everyone so I'm not going to try to explain. IMO, time needed was not a factor.

 

[MyBelle]

I actually have many theories that would probably only irritate everyone so I'm not going to try to explain. IMO, time needed was not a factor.

I agree. I think a premeditated suicide takes no more or less time to plan than a premeditated murder. It was not perfectly carried out, which allowed investigators to form a solid conclusion of suicide.

JMO

 

[kittychi]

I agree. I think a premeditated suicide takes no more or less time to plan than a premeditated murder. It was not perfectly carried out, which allowed investigators to form a solid conclusion of suicide.

JMO

BBM - Do you mean the staging and framing someone for murder was not perfectly carried out so they concluded suicide?

IMO The entire scene should have been re-enacted during the investigation. The investigation was incomplete without it and attempts to perform a re-enactment afterward were intentionally blocked.

All the time and money spent "investigating" whether it was suicide or murder and they didn't bother with a re-enactment. Or did they, and the only thing they could demonstrate was an extremely unprofessional and lame attempt to show how someone can tie and untie their hands behind their back. It would be laughable if it wasn't so totally reprehensible and disrespectful.

I wonder how many of the numerous investigators agree that suicide was a "solid conclusion." IMO, there are probably plenty of doubts among them.

 

[kittychi]

You are absolutely right. I never said I agreed with the SDLE's reasoning behind her suicide.

Right...but this is a question to anyone/everyone. Have I missed something?

Did SDLE ever say that Rebecca staged suicide to frame someone for murder? Or any approximate words to that affect?

 

[screecher]

BBM. The topic isn't about Pfingst or hospital visitation polices for ICU patients but Rady Hospital isn't a public place. The hospital decides who can come and go into the ICU.

JMO

BBM

Rady is not a private hospital, it is a nonprofit facility and receives funding from both the federal and state governments. And that makes it a public space. I'm sure Rebecca would not have forced herself into the ICU respecting the situation. But nope, Rebecca would not have been barred from the hospital.

I was piggy-backing off of DeDee's post #510 as that post contained falsehoods.

 

[MyBelle]

BBM

Rady is not a private hospital, it is a nonprofit facility and receives funding from both the federal and state governments. And that makes it a public space. I'm sure Rebecca would not have forced herself into the ICU respecting the situation. But nope, Rebecca would not have been barred from the hospital.

BBM. Rady is not owned by taxpayers, it is owned by an organization. A hospital can bar anyone at anytime. I'm not aware of any posters who have suggested RZ was barred from the entire hospital so it really is a moot point.

JMO

 

[MaybeNotToday]

Right...but this is a question to anyone/everyone. Have I missed something?

Did SDLE ever say that Rebecca staged suicide to frame someone for murder? Or any approximate words to that affect?

Not to my knowledge. Why?

 

[kittychi]

Not to my knowledge. Why?

I wondered, and did not know if the idea came from LE or other sources. It is stated as fact by many who support the suicide conclusion.

 

[MaybeNotToday]

I wondered, and did not know if the idea came from LE or other sources. It is stated as fact by many who support the suicide conclusion.

It makes the suicide conclusion make more sense IMO with all that binding and whatnot.

 

[Zinn]

It makes the suicide conclusion make more sense IMO with all that binding and whatnot.

Whatnot = gag in mouth, blood on carpet/legs/finger/shower/vagina, clump of hair in shower, contusions on top of head, abrasions on back, discarded underwear in trashcan, paint on nipples, adhesive on legs, painted message on door, overturned chair, knives on floor, screams for help heard by neighbors?