Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #7

[believe09]

Because of the unique and
bizarre circumstances of this incident, it has yet to be determined if this will become a criminal matter or a death investigation

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/0714.pdf - from july 14

SDCS statement - BBM

No determination regarding suicide/homicide..........awaiting forensics.....

Thank you...I guess my point was that the rumor was not necessarily generated by a single blog. LE was investigating a possible suicide as well.

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Most people who are going to kill themselves aren't all that concerned about their timing or ultimately about the ones they leave behind I think. It is a pretty solitary act that has a lot of collateral damage of course.

I believe you are 100% correct.

They do not think of the pain it will leave their loved ones.

Imo, they have one motivation and that is to relieve the pain they feel inside that they no longer can endure.

Some may even think their loved ones would be better off without them.

IMO

 

[sdcali]

Information that didn’t come from this website or the Sheriff’s Homicide and
Public Affairs Division, or the Coronado Police Department is not credible

August 18, 2011 http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/0818.pdf

BBM

So, the articles about 'suicide' are/is not credible........

Thanks, score! That is what my gut is saying, too.

 

[arielilane]

Sources call Coronado mansion death a suicide

CORONADO, Calif. -- The woman found hanging naked from a balcony inside the Spreckels Mansion in Coronado is a suicide, according to law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/

 

[time]

Wow... I search on Google this morning and see this suicide meme has propagated like some creepy virus. Shame on the journalists and news outlets as they are only researching by reading someone else's story. SHAME SHAME SHAME

 

[Evan's Mom]

I can truly understand that, scorekeeper. I believe the reason it is hard to understand is we really don't have the mind set of someone who contemplates and carries out suicide. It is logical that we question such things but imo you cant use logic and commonsense and apply it to an irrational act.

The same questions have gone through the minds my husband's family for many years when his nephew took his own life. Why did he come to the very place of the people who loved and supported him more than anyone and let his loving and devoted grandparents see him like that when he killed himself with a shotgun? Why would he do this to the people he loved more than anyone? Yet after all these years we still don't know why.

IMO

That is so sad!
I know it sounds odd, but I bet he found comfort in doing it where those he'd loved would find him.

 

[arielilane]

Sources call Coronado mansion death a suicide

CORONADO, Calif. -- The woman found hanging naked from a balcony inside the Spreckels Mansion in Coronado is a suicide, according to law enforcement sources with knowledge of the investigation
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/

The article further states the following:
One law enforcement source said Monday "no one is looking at it as a homicide."

 

[elementry]

The article further states the following:
One law enforcement source said Monday "no one is looking at it as a homicide."

The articles use the phrase, when referring to the unnamed source's relating of supposed LE opinion, that they are "reasonably certain". Doesn't sound like they're 100% convinced. Is "reasonably certain" good enough in dismissing a potential murder scenario? Perhaps if they've got no contrary evidence. So what has LE been doing for 5 weeks but dismissing that contrary evidence piece by piece?

 

[scorekeeper]

Ariel...

I don't like to re-post myself, but it's easier than retyping...

The 'suicide' reports are not credible according to the SDCS web site.

They have not made an official determination and/or statement yet.

score

Article - Coronado mansion death: The suicide scenario

Posted 8/19 and updated 8/21

But is that really possible? Local investigators admit they have never encountered a female suicide victim, found hanging, naked and bound. But the suicide scenario remains a possibility.

"It is unusual to have somebody who is bound at the feet, and to have their hands secured behind their back, and of course being unclothed," Sheriff's homicide Sgt. Roy Frank told News 8 last month.Even so, "there are documentations of incidents throughout the country where people have secured their feet and hands to commit suicide," said Sgt. Frank.

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

BBM

Is this the article that started the 'suicide' conclusion?

They are quoting what LE said over a month ago.........they have no new quotes from LE

The reporter couldn't even find a suicide where a woman bound both hands and feet and naked and outside.......

Information that didn’t come from this website or the Sheriff’s Homicide and
Public Affairs Division, or the Coronado Police Department is not credible

August 18, 2011 http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/0818.pdf

BBM

So, the articles about 'suicide' are/is not credible........

Because of the unique and
bizarre circumstances of this incident, it has yet to be determined if this will become a criminal matter or a death investigation

http://www.sdsheriff.net/coronado/0714.pdf - from july 14

SDCS statement - BBM

No determination regarding suicide/homicide..........awaiting forensics.....

 

[SunnieRN]

We have all seen the power of the press, to change/influence opinions, however, I think by playing this case out in silence, the SD PD has shown that media will create stories, when there is not official information to report.

This says a lot about our society as a whole and what influences it in general. If there is a determination of murder, by LE, will a jury pool that has read, repeatedly, that this death is the result of suicide, be able to overcome that belief? Will they be able to be objective?

This is very interesting, as there are so many cases swayed by public opinion, based on reporting. I am very happy SD LE is playing this close to the cuff, until they can determine what truly happened. Can you imagine, if this was murder, what the guilty party is thinking right now? It is either jubilation or fear, based on forensic evidence they may know exists.

I imagine that Rebeccas family is yet to become vocal. They have a belief of what happened I am sure. It will also be interesting to see if JS ever truly speaks out about this, but I'm not holding my breath on that one.

 

[scorekeeper]

The Sheriff's Department did not give official confirmation that investigators have determined Zahau took her own life, saying only that the investigation is not complete
http://www.fox5sandiego.com/news/kswb-sources-call-zahau-death-a-suicide-20110822,0,743947.story

BBM
How do they get law enforcement sources saying 'suicide' when the Sheriff's Department is saying their investigation in "not complete". Isn't the sheriff's office in charge of the "death investigation" and the Coronado police looking into Maxie's accident?

Are they talking to the janitor??????

 

[Quester]

[Disclaimer: The following is pure, simple and fantasy PR speculation!]

Apparent PR Firm logic :hypno::

IF it is unusual for a woman to commit suicide nude and out in the open;
AND RN is a woman;
BUT she sleeps in the nude and walks her dog outdoors;
THEN it would not be unusual for RN to commit suicide nude and hanging from an outside balcony.


Loose ends that the PR Firm has yet to wrap up :hypno::

* Dog to kennel: Did RN regularly check the dog into a kennel to be socialized, groomed, and taken to the vet? Were the needed shots California specific and not required in Arizona?

* Large painting: Did RN enjoy painting? Was the “large painting” taken as evidence one of RN’s disliked paintings that JS hung despite her wishes? Did RN deface it prior to committing suicide so that the embarrassing thing would be removed?

* Rug: While defacing the painting, did RN get paint on the rug?

* Blue Scarf: Did RN also enjoy painting silk scarves? Was the scarf found around her neck her favorite painted example that she used to cover her entire face to minimize the horror to the person finding her?

* Orange electrical cord: Did RN frequently do household repairs using power tools and orange electrical cords? (Of note: that broken three legged table; was it on her verbalized but not written list of repairs to do?)

* Rope and knot tying: From her early days in Burma, did RN enjoy learning how to tie different knots from a possible nautical relative? Did she subsequently earn knot tying awards as a teen?

* Magic: Did RN enjoy magical spectacles? Did she do card tricks for the kids and recreate Houdini stunts?

[Again: pure PR speculation/fantasy!]

:waiting:

 

[scorekeeper]

Has this article been posted and reviewed yet?

http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/36/2/240

"Naked suicide can be associated with any method of suicide; however, anecdotal evidence indicates that it occurs more frequently with hanging, overdose, or drowning, but to a lesser extent in jumping deaths."

Thanks for the link to the article.......good read

From the article also,

Anger and vengeance can be expressed by completing suicide while naked, especially when it is intended to traumatize a survivor. The shock of discovering a naked suicide inflicts an indelible, traumatic memory that can haunt a survivor for a lifetime.12 The person who completes suicide while naked may intend to add insult to a suicide survivor's already devastating injury.

http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/36/2/240

BBM

If, and I say this with a BIG IF, RN did commit suicide......what survivor did she want to have such a traumatic memory??? Was she expecting JS to find her? Do we know if JS ever even came to the mansion? Did they talk on the phone and he gave her a possible time he would be home?

Were the outside lights on? Remember someone said that if you looked out the master bedroom windows you could see the balcony?

Her family or ex never spoke of her as being vindictive or one "to rub salt into someone else's wounds"....

It's such drastic measures......if she was distraught over Maxie, why not leave a note and express her guilt, take some pills and get in the tub.....

 

[time]

Found on Google maps, just a different view from the front left side of the house. You can see it looks like entry to the courtyard from that side. Not significant except Shacknai obviously has gardeners and perhaps the entrance, if there is one, by the garage is near that balcony or guest house? I'm disoriented

http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/MyWN0PCBcUdAYMcb289Y6Q

 

[oceanblueeyes]

Thanks for the link to the article.......good read

From the article also,

Anger and vengeance can be expressed by completing suicide while naked, especially when it is intended to traumatize a survivor. The shock of discovering a naked suicide inflicts an indelible, traumatic memory that can haunt a survivor for a lifetime.12 The person who completes suicide while naked may intend to add insult to a suicide survivor's already devastating injury.

http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/36/2/240

BBM

If, and I say this with a BIG IF, RN did commit suicide......what survivor did she want to have such a traumatic memory??? Was she expecting JS to find her? Do we know if JS ever even came to the mansion? Did they talk on the phone and he gave her a possible time he would be home?

Were the outside lights on? Remember someone said that if you looked out the master bedroom windows you could see the balcony?

Her family or ex never spoke of her as being vindictive or one "to rub salt into someone else's wounds"....

It's such drastic measures......if she was distraught over Maxie, why not leave a note and express her guilt, take some pills and get in the tub.....

2/3 of those who commit suicides do not leave notes.

Maybe it was a spiritual thing?

Naked suicide suggests a variety of psychological themes. The shedding of clothes may symbolize a new beginning, a rebirth and cleansing, or a sloughing off of the world. In the biblical description of Christ's resurrection, his clothes, a symbol of an unregenerate world, were left behind as he ascended into heaven.

 

[time]

Just for orientation purposes and it appears the balcony where Rebecca was found is nearest the entry into the courtyard by the garage.

 

[CalElliot]

Scorekeeper: Re http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Is this the article that started the 'suicide' conclusion?

NO, this news story and all the network news stories discussing the S-word were quoting two speculative examiner.com bloggers who have no journalistic credibility at all quoting and/or misquoting speculating old retired detective, which means not part of LE, not on the case.

 

[CalElliot]

Believe09: Re your questiona "Is Sgt Roy Frank qualified to make this statement? Is he speaking for the investigation? So this is a direct statement from a member of law enforcement essentially confirming that the suicide theory was at that time being investigated."

What statement(s) are you referring to? Link please.

 

[jstwondering]

http://www.cbs8.com/story/15294873/coronado-mansion-death-the-suicide-scenario

Is this the article that started the 'suicide' conclusion?

No, this news story and all the network news stories discussing the S-word were quoting two speculative examiner.com bloggers who have no journalistic credibility at all quoting and/or misquoting speculating old retired detective, which means not part of LE, not on the case.

Yes, I have to say that I'm shocked, because what you say appears to be right on the money. I understand where MSM would balk at having to name a source. I read All the Kings Men. But when MSM uses that legitimate tactic of not naming sources to excuse copying someone else's unnamed source as their own, well, IMO, that is shoddy journalism.

 

[CalElliot]

Thank you...I guess my point was that the rumor was not necessarily generated by a single blog. LE was investigating a possible suicide as well.

Not a rumor generated by a single blog (indeed quite clear and obvious that LE investigating suicide option from day one). Rather, a recent spate of legitimate news organizations reporting on a "report/new article," the source of which were two posts by nonjournalist bloggers, about LE "confident" that it was suicide according to an unnamed source accompanied by quotes from a retired detective not on the case.