Rebecca Nalepa - suicide or murder? #7

[Inobu]

Could this validate AS's claim that he found her hanging? The head would be pushed forward from the cord and if she had been hanging that long, rigor mortis would set in. Hmmmmmm.

No matter what you do there is always something that contradicts a theory. That is why I keep thinking staged. Natural events rarely contradicts in that it happens naturally.

The legs would have been straight not bent and open the orange cord would have been drug from the left side not the right.


Time...... I know you can I see it.... LOL You are no doubt hammering away and coming up with good points to consider or reconsider.

Inobu

 

[time]

Could this validate AS's claim that he found her hanging? The head would be pushed forward from the cord and if she had been hanging that long, rigor mortis would set in. Hmmmmmm.

I'm making extreme novice observations (I could be wrong!), but yes, if true, she could have been there for hours and he just walked out or came down the steps and saw her.

To answer Ocean's earlier question, seems the steps/view from the guesthouse is directly diagonal to the balcony (there are some diagrams of the house a little ways back)

 

[curiousjo]

RN talked to her sister on the phone at 1130 pm and she was ok, so it happened between that phone call and 0630 am. The sister lives in Missouri.

Family tribute video with photo RN wearing a non blue scarf in hair. But, I still don't think she woke up one day and thought I am going to committ suidice naked and wear that pretty blue scarf.

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

 

[CalElliot]

RN talked to her sister on the phone at 1130 pm and she was ok, so it happened between that phone call and 0630 am.

Family tribute video with photo RN wearing a non blue scarf in hair. But, I still don't think she woke up one day and thought I am going to committ suidice naked and wear that pretty blue scarf. Stike out!

http://www.meierhoffer.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/zahau_rebecca.swf

What time zone was the call? RZ's sister's in Missouri? Or RZ's?

Re tribute video, RZ wearing blue jacket in several images that seems the same color as scarf. Could it be the "scarf"? Did her family include those images for the same reason they ended the tribute with a poignant and mysterious montage?

 

[CalElliot]

And how exactly did her body get outside into the yard then?

I'm sure you can theorize that.

 

[CalElliot]

I had to find the origins of the AEA theory...........lol....... its from a tv show. Although a plausible theory the probability is extremely low based on the circumstances and setting.

I do see the relevance in the scarf in that it is used to protect the neck from abrasion as such. Which gives two purposes that would not have been used in a self inflected suicide.

That scarf was used for either a gag or abrasion protection both being actions taken by a second party.

Inobu

Re scarf uses. My point exactly. Also, not so much whether there was AEA or similar, but that LE early on announced a definitive conclusion sans autopsy about this for what reason and at whose bidding?

 

[curiousjo]

Shacknai mansion courtyard:

http://www.giftsandfreeadvice.com/free_advice/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/spreck.jpg

http://i.bnet.com/blogs/jonah-shacknai-house-coronado-above.jpg?tag=content;drawer-container

Good photo post on WS of courtyard from Hunnydoll #690 7/20 4:14 pm
http://i56.tinypic.com/vzbzh1.jpg (not sure if this will work)

 

[CalElliot]

This probably has no connection with the current threads, but has been gnawing at my brain for several weeks. Has anyone seen or heard any info that Max may have been autistic?
The only reason I ask is because it MAY have been a reason/cause for some of the earlier marital problems between DS and JS. I have no idea if it could have contributed to, or been a factor in his "accident" .. or Rebecca's "suicide" or "homicide."

Have not seen anything definitive, but the Zahau family referred to MZ as a "special" child; in some photos, he's grimacing in a manner that suggests autism; DS did some research on the subject; JS contributed to autism nonprofits. So could very well be that was the case.

 

[SunnieRN]

Inobu ... yes, I CAN think like that :great:

I agree with most of what you are saying ... the pics, however, indicate the scarf is too tight around her neck to have simply been slipped down from her mouth or whatever. Her head seems elevated in the pic as I said before, almost as if she is in rigor mortis because otherwise it seems her head would be slumped back or to the side so the scarf couldn't just look tied tighter, e.g., the scarf is being pulled tighter due to position and something weighting it down.

IWannaKnow said

This is the most probable theory to me also - adding that Rebecca was already naked because she was in bed.

SunnieRN Said

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Exactly, you said it better than I did! Although I would say the being more relaxed could have been most of the time.... who knows how handoffs at visitation went or phone calls to make plans. I've known people who divorce and keep up the animosity for years at least at some level. And, there very well could have been violence in the first marriage. Hard to tell if the second was instigated by both or if DS's relationship also included that element.

I'll just put this out there to see what others think. DS was foolish to allow JS to issue a joint statement for both of them ... discuss

I agree that DS was foolish to not make a statement of her own. They are no longer married and not a 'couple'. I do however wonder if the reason for the joint statement was due to the fact that the rumors we are hearing about someone being hospitalized, are true?

I tend to lean toward a male being responsible for Rebecca's death, due to the fact that she was athletic and it good shape. I believe Rebecca would have fought to free herself from an attacker, no matter who it may have been. I think that who ever was responsible, was influenced by DS and her grief, however.

JS certainly left the area quickly. He didn't linger to comfort DS. If he took Ocean with him, what was his reasoning? He misses Rebecca? Guilt as he may be somehow responsible for his master not being there? The need to feel that he is honoring Rebecca's memory?

This is just some of the things I have been thinking about and I am not trying to point fingers, but trying to reason some of the events that took place.

The scarf did not look like it was used to secure Rebecca's hair. It was hard to tell whether or not it was loose enough to have been tied around her eyes, or used to gag her first. I tend to think it may have been a gag, so that along with the sudden loud music, any 'sounds' would be muffled and unrecognizable.

No matter what occurred, it certainly was not a peaceful passing.

 

[curiousjo]

In regards to music playing loudly- not sure if even true- but the neighbors know the truth. Because it would have been late - between the 1130 call till body founr at 630 am. If this was the case, wouldn't AS wonder what was going on and come back into the home? So, either no music or he was involved or not at mansion when crime occurred. However, to get to the guest house, I would expect that you would have to walk through the courtyard...

Interesting that no photos of RN/JS included in family photo tribute to RN. If this was a serious relationship and he was not suspect, then wouldn't they have included a photo? They must have at least 1 photo after 3 year courtship. They included family photos - and friends.

 

[SunnieRN]

In regards to music playing loudly- not sure if even true- but the neighbors know the truth. If this was the case, wouldn't AS wonder what was going on and come back into the home? So, either no music or he was involved or not at mansion when crime occurred. However, to get to the guest house, I would expect that you would have to walk through the courtyard...

Interesting that no photos of RN/JS included in family photo tribute. If this was a serious relationship and he was not suspect, then wouldn't they have included a photo? They must have at least 1 photo after 3 year courtship.

None of she and JS or with her ex. This may be the families way of letting their feelings be known. I am sure that her family knows much more than we do.

As for the music, it has been brought up prior that AS should have heard it and I would think he would have questioned it. If he was there. If he was not responsible for the music.

 

[MyBelle]

In regards to music playing loudly- not sure if even true- but the neighbors know the truth. If this was the case, wouldn't AS wonder what was going on and come back into the home? So, either no music or he was involved or not at mansion when crime occurred. However, to get to the guest house, I would expect that you would have to walk through the courtyard...

Interesting that no photos of RN/JS included in family photo tribute. If this was a serious relationship and he was not suspect, then wouldn't they have included a photo? They must have at least 1 photo after 3 year courtship.

Why would a family photo tribute to a dead child include Dad's dead girlfriend? And why would a photo tribute to her include her boyfriend? Her family may blame him for her death just as Maxie's may blame her for his death.

 

[Quester]

Do we even know if AS was on the mansion grounds from 10pm Tues until 6:45am Wed?

ETA: For all we know, AS could have been at or near the hospital keeping his brother company.

 

[MyBelle]

None of she and JS or with her ex. This may be the families way of letting their feelings be known. I am sure that her family knows much more than we do.

As for the music, it has been brought up prior that AS should have heard it and I would think he would have questioned it. If he was there. If he was not responsible for the music.

Funerals and memorials are all about feelings making it nearly impossible for outsiders to draw conclusions from any of it.

Music, even loud music, isn't always heard but even if it was we don't know if AS was the type of person to complain.

 

[time]

Do we even know if AS was on the mansion grounds from 10pm Tues until 6:45am Wed?

ETA: For all we know, AS could have been at or near the hospital keeping his brother company.

Nope and possible

 

[time]

I agree that DS was foolish to not make a statement of her own. They are no longer married and not a 'couple'. I do however wonder if the reason for the joint statement was due to the fact that the rumors we are hearing about someone being hospitalized, are true?

I tend to lean toward a male being responsible for Rebecca's death, due to the fact that she was athletic and it good shape. I believe Rebecca would have fought to free herself from an attacker, no matter who it may have been. I think that who ever was responsible, was influenced by DS and her grief, however.

JS certainly left the area quickly. He didn't linger to comfort DS. If he took Ocean with him, what was his reasoning? He misses Rebecca? Guilt as he may be somehow responsible for his master not being there? The need to feel that he is honoring Rebecca's memory?
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I think it's foolish if she had no part in Rebecca's death. I'm leaning that way. I think she could have contributed to a some increased anger and/or angst about it all. But I vascillate a lot.

Having said all that, I keep having some silly thought running through my mind. What if there was some intense arguing/blaming and Rebbeca was silenced because she might reveal something. I don't mean anything about GS being there, etc. Just that those folks might have some skeletons.

 

[curiousjo]

Why would a family photo tribute to a dead child include Dad's dead girlfriend? And why would a photo tribute to her include her boyfriend? Her family may blame him for her death just as Maxie's may blame her for his death.

The Zahau family tribute video posted above was for Rebecca Nalepa Zahau. I believe JS hired a PR service which leaked out the point that JS was about to propose. If they had dated for nearly 3 years, nearly engaged and JS was about to become their son-in-law, then a picture of the loving couple would be appropriate since he would have been her best friend. The series of RN photos show her with famiy - and friends.

Music playing loudly anytime between 1130 PM - 630 AM would stand out and arouse attention.

 

[CalElliot]

I think it's foolish if she had no part in Rebecca's death.

I would agree you personally. But JS and DS standing strong as a united front no doubt helped/helps sell the stability of Medicis to stockholders and preserve lucrative business dealings, which DS may possibly profit from as well.

Even if, say, JS were a bereaved victim who had nothing to do with RZ's death but knew for certain she was murdered, he and his surviving children would still benefit the most financially from a suicide pronouncement (and JS in turn could extend that benefit to RZ family). Even if JS knew the murderer this would stand. The only way it doesn't is if RZ was a hit and a message to JS, in which case he should be terrified.

 

[Morag]

Here's a quote from the azcentral story that interests me:

Prchal said that the Shacknais were friendly and that Jonah Shacknai often walked with his daughters and Zahau around town.

The question of Rebecca's sister continues to be unanswered. Shacknai does not have 'daughters'. Who was the other girl?

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarep...6arizona-ceo-dead-woman-coronado-mystery.html

The article has been changed to read as follows:

The woman was 32-year-old Rebecca Zahau, Shacknai's girlfriend of two years. Neighbors had seen him walking around town with her and his children.
This article was 6 weeks old- wonder what prompted them to change it?

 

[Carioca]

How would she end up hanging outside if it took place inside?

Am trying to catch up with all the posts, therefore apologies if this is addressed further forward.

LE found RZ outside. AS alleges he found her hanging outside. Evidence removed included carpet. Possibly she was killed inside then dragged outside by perp to make it look like a suicide. Just an opinion...