Rebecca's cell phone records

[Pach]

well, some dogs can talk. is true ?

It wouldn't surprise me if SDSO tried to claim it was the dog. lol

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

I certainly would like to know what the ^above^ BBM is supposed to mean.. Because it is absolutely false, 100% all the way false.. Especially in speaking of AT&T specifically this is not true..

A call that goes unanswered or goes directly to voicemail is ABSOLUTELY REGISTERED ON YOUR ITEMIZED STATEMENT.. it will show the exact time, the phone number the incoming call was originating from and it will be allotted the generic amount of time of 1 minute.. This to is identically the same with any outgoing calls that go unanswered.. The number that's being called is listed as is the generic amt of time of 1 minute is listed..

The calls that are listed as 1 minute calls are calls that were not answered.. They are listed as 1 minute in length, as is a call that lasts under 60 secs.. Any amount of call under 60 secs is automatically listed as 1 minute..

There is no reason, nor is it even possible for the call to not be listed.. Even if JS had used the Slydial feature which is how you call a phone and force it to go directly to voicemail(I believe this was purposed earlier).. Even if using this feature IT STILL WOULD LIST THE NUMBER FROM WHICH THE CALL ORIGINATED(in this case that would be from either JS cell or the Coronado hospital)..

Even if he had used *67 that most know will block the number from showing up on the persons cell you are calling but rather show up as private or number not available.. Nonetheless still would be no excuse as it is a fact that tho the number would be blocked on the persons incoming call however in the itemized list from AT&T IT STILL LISTS THE NUMBER THE CALL ORIGINATED FROM..

There is no way possible that the call that was made that JS states he made at 1230 with news of Max's grave turn for the worse.. There is no reason that it would not be on the itemized list.. That is a fact!!!

I totally agree with you.

 

[Rhyme & Reason]

well, some dogs can talk. is true ?

LOL Pach!

 

[Morag]

well, some dogs can talk. is true ?

Yeah, but have you ever seen a talking dog who could say anything other than "I Love You"? You'd think at least one of them could say, feed me, or I need to go outside, but no, it's always I love you. I wonder if a French dog would say, Je t'aime?

 

[CocoChanel]

I do apologize. It was rude because I'm just tired of this. It's very hard to go up against a bunch of folks. I do apologize, it's not in my character at all.

Thinkingstraight - thank you for the apology, though I'm not sure you needed to make one. This is a very puzzling case. The only thing that exceeds the mystery of it all is the truly tragic aspect. Within one horrible horrible week, 2 otherwise healthy people who lived in the same mansion died under circumstances that are testing our powers of reason. It evokes quite a bit of emotion within us standers-by who are trying to make sense of it. There is an obvious divide among those of us here. Each 'side' if you will, feels passionate in their beliefs. Each side is doing their best to justify their opinion. In doing so, it often comes across as frustration 'against' the 'other side'. I myself have been moved by frustration to post opposing arguments against those who believe differerently, as if my counter-point will be the one to miraculaously change minds. I realize that is an effort in futility now, however still get drawn in to debating an opposing opinion. It is one of the main reasons we are here - to discuss and dissect these troubling cases to help ourselves and each other to come to terms with what is so tragic and mysterious. I have to remind myself that it should NOT be my purpose to convince people I am right. Otherwise I would have become a lawyer....or a politician. LOL

I have admired the tenacity of those who are expressing their opinions, especially on the 'side' that seems to have fewer vocal folks on this board. I admit those who have a differing view than I often times drive me to distraction. But at the end of the day, I can see those opinions have always been stated respectfully and succinctly. It is hard when the arguments are coming in so fast. No post or opinion ever seems to go unchallenged, on either 'side'. Sometimes that feels exhausting. I applaud those who are trying their best to be civil and respectful, and so far from what I've read, that seems to be everyone here. Well done fellow WSers! You inspire me, and give me hope for the human race

 

[stilettos]

technology does have limitations and LE did admit it. I don't believe they are lying about it.

JMO

Well let's hope for LE's sake that they have documented, incontrovertable proof of such. One would think that they would have pursued this case more vigorously than just taking the word of someone that they made a phone call. These deaths are suspicious and should be seriously investigated. IMO, there was not enough time taken to do so.

 

[Wendy101]

snipped from the article that Rosemary pasted above:

Contacted by News 8, Romano said she sent the text message to ask if she could come by the mansion.

Family members said Rebecca had picked up Romano at the airport on Monday afternoon, several hours after Max Shacknai's fall down the stairs.

"I just wanted to talk to her about the accident," Romano said. "And so I sent her a text message that said, ‘Hey are you around? I'd like to come by,' and I never heard from her. She never responded to me."
Romano recalled sending the text earlier in the evening, though, and questioned the 10:41 p.m. time stamp on the AT&T call log.


Maybe she stayed there part of the time and stayed with DS at the hospital and RMcDH part of the time. It sounds logical, since Rebecca picked her up at the airport.

BBM: so, Rebecca picks her up at the airport in the afternoon .... then she texts Rebecca at 10:41PM to see if Rebecca is home because she wants to talk about the accident? She wanted to visit at 10:41PM???

Who did Rebecca call? didn't she talk to her sister? what time was that at?

 

[time]

BBM: so, Rebecca picks her up at the airport in the afternoon .... then she texts Rebecca at 10:41PM to see if Rebecca is home because she wants to talk about the accident? She wanted to visit at 10:41PM???

Who did Rebecca call? didn't she talk to her sister? what time was that at?

Does anyone else think it's strange that all the calls to her own family ended, then we have Nina and supposedly Jonah calling very late at night (less than 2 hrs apart) and within hours Rebecca is dead and shortly after Adam finds her? It just all seems too condensed into a small space of time with no one else present but Dina's family and Jonah/Jonah's. Neither of which seem very sympathetic to this woman dying. And, now we know that Dina and Rebecca didn't seem to get along and Dina is suspicious this was an accident. We also only know that was Jonah calling at 1 am because he said he called, right?

 

[stilettos]

Does anyone else think it's strange that all the calls to her own family ended, then we have Nina and supposedly Jonah calling very late at night and within hours Rebecca is dead and shortly after Adam finds her? It just all seems too condensed into a small space of time with no one else present but Dina's family and Jonah/Jonah's. Neither of which seem very sympathetic to this woman dying.

I do...I find it very strange! One would think that LE would have found it strange...just thinking logically.

 

[time]

I do...I find it very strange! One would think that LE would have found it strange...just thinking logically.

Same as I'm thinking. Makes no sense they didn't do more on the phone calls, messages, and texts. This seems like the key time period to me to gear up the forensics. :waitasec:

 

[time]

Per my post above ... I meant to say we now find out that Dina is suspicious that Max's death wasn't an accident. And, the sister just called to discuss the accident to find out what happened? Sounds way underplayed to me? Makes you wonder what exactly was going on at the hospital. It will be interesting to see if Dina makes any further claims about the 'accident' and about Rebecca's 'suicide'.

 

[SmoothOperator]

I must say I went into this case completely open with no preconceived notions.. If anything I would have to admit that I leaned heavily toward suicide due to it being ruled as such by LE.. I am not one who believes that LE regularly foul up, are negligent, and turn a blind eye.. In fact I believe just the opposite.. Tho, I certainly realize that there are unfortunately are cases that have such negligent and even nefarious issues.. But IMO they are far and few between.. Jmo, tho!!

After following this case I must say at the very very least there are major questions left unanswered that truly leave gaping holes in LE theory of what occurred.. I do not know for certain either way and can only go by the information known but IMO there is more than enough that would warrant the case to indeed be reopened and those major questions answered.. I know many do not believe her family deserves to know the answers that they so desperately are seeking but I ask if it were your loved one would you still feel that way?? That too bad, so sad you don't deserve to have these relevant and very important questions answered.. If honest, the answer is no.. We all would greatly desire to have the answers of our loved one's death.. And we all deserve that as does Rebecca's family who are victims in this case.

I find it to be impossible that the AT&T call record had TWO major glitches on this all important night by two key ppl!! Are you kidding!?? Really?? That it just so happens that Jonah's all important call at or around 12:30am, that is the entire crux of the entire case, the entire reason for Rebecca taking her life, it just mysteriously happens to not exist according to the AT&T records!! That is huge!! I'm sorry that is no glitch nor is it possible that it did not register no matter what phone or what feature he used to make the call.. IT IS NOT POSSIBLE!! but to make it just that much more unbelievable we have NR claiming that the time stamp is incorrect for when she sent the text asking to come over and speak with Rebecca about Max's accident!?!? Are you kidding me?? I'm sorry that is too much to ask anyone to believe.. There is something very very wrong!!

We know that Dina despised Rebecca and blamed her for Max's death(or soon to be death) I have zero question in mind that her twin sister would not share her feelings, and her having been the last text to come into Rebeccas phone is absolutely no coincidence in my book..

So, for those who believe that it was Rebecca who checked her own voicemail at 12:50am then you would agree that she, too would be who read the msg at 10:41 from NR??
You do not find it odd that she would not reach out to her sister or anyone about NR wanting to come over at that late hour and discuss such an extremely volatile situation that was literally culminating in those hours with the news that Max would not make it!! If you believe she was the one that checked the voicemail at 12:50am then it is only logical that she, too read the text msg from NR.. If by chance she did not have a rocky relationship with NR as she did with her twin Dina, then why would she have not replied to the text, one way or the other?? Either no, not tonight it's been a Long day we can talk tomorrow.. Or.. Yes, I'm here and awake come on by??? But there was nothing.. Nor was there any calls or texts to anyone else, like her sister who'd she'd been speaking with thru out the night.. There is nothing and that just does not add up, especially when combined with NR's odd need to publicly say she sent that text hours before.. Why did she feel the need to say that?? It's not true.. I'm sorry but major glitches do not occur like this back to back with both her and JS's calls/texts on a night a woman ends ups suspiciously dead in a violent and questionable way.. I'm sorry it doesn't happen.. So why does Nina feel the need to lie and say that her text was much earlier?? Why? Is it because she knows that the time frame is very close to when she knows thT she physically went to the Shacknei mansion to have her talk with Rebecca?? IMO that is very likely.. The dramatic flair that is found throughout this entire death has strong markers of a female(and yes I realize that Rebecca is a female and some may believe it was her who set it up).. I'm not so sure?? *

I just know that it is not as easy open and shut case as LE has attempted to make it as. It's obvious that it is not.. I have no dog in this fight, either way, period.. I am only going by the information and the evidence and there is just way too much that is left unanswered and that are complete and total lies(the calls/texts) to make it that simple of an open/close case.. It definitely warrants being reopened and these very important questions answered.. And the glitches of the AT&T system ain't gonna cut it as an explanation..that is complete and total bs 100%.. this woman and her family deserve answers and justice just as all *other victims that we fight for here at WS do!!

 

[SmoothOperator]

Another issue is that this 10:41pm text from NR asking to come over and talk with Rebecca At this late night hour about her nephew's accident is a very important piece IMO as to what happened.. IMO that time is way too close for comfort for when the dire prognosis was given for Max.. I find it very likely that at 10:41pm NR already had this info from her twin sister.. Who no doubt when this mom, Dina was given this traumatic news that Max was not going to recover and would die.. That this left Dina literally heart broken as well as likely vehement anger seething toward the person who she felt responsible for her little boys life being stripped from her!!

I think it could be easily proven as to when exactly the traumatic news was given to the parents and I believe it's very likely that by 10:41pm this news had already been broken to the parents with Dina reaching out to her sister in horror of what she'd just learned.. I believe that it is likely that this is what possibly was the real motive of NR's strange late night need to speak with Rebecca.. If not due to a change in circumstances(given the news of Max's imminent death) then it really is nonsensical for why the need to speak with Rebecca out of blue, at such a late hour.. Nit like she'd been attempting to call her all evening.. Not the case.. strangely not until 10:41pm does NR suddenly feel the need to have this talk with Rebecca and not just to set up a time to talk, but to literally come over at that late night hour and talk with Rebecca!!!

This would only occur if there were a motivating factor that arose IMO!!! Without there being a motivating factor IMO there would be no need for a very strange, late night need to talk to Rebecca right then!! And with NR feeling strongly enough to reach out and make this "talk" happen that night.. I personally find it highly unlikely with her feeling that her need to talk with Rebecca was of such importance that Rebeccas not answering would not be the end of the subject!! IMO much more likely that with a motivating factor coming into play and NR's desire to see and speak with Rebecca(because speaking over the phone with Rebecca was not an option.. NR stated she wanted to be face to face with her needing to come over at this late night hour).. With her literally a block away at her sister, Dina's home I find it very likely that she with such a burning desire to "talk" with Rebecca face to face that night that she quite easily made her way over which would take all of 2 mins travel time..

I believe if this case is reopened that it will be found that dire prognosis of Max's imminent death was handed down to the parents at or before 10:30pm.. And IMO that is a very important and key piece of evidence.. And likely why NR is so determined to have the time stamp of text believed to have been much earlier.. Knowing that if the info came out that she had received a call from her sister immeditately prior to her reaching out Rebecca for the strange late night, face to face "talk".. That it likely would come out that DS and JS were told about the imminent death at or before 10:30pm and a call made by Dina to her twin sister likely in hysterics that her son was not going to live.. And for whatever reasons NR then after this motivating factor came into play made the strange request for a face to face meeting to "talk" with Rebecca, who just happens to be the person that Dina likely blames and feels is 100% responsible for her son's death..

There are very important and relevant issues that need to be brought to the light of day, period!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[time]

SO ... great posts and insight, thank you

 

[thinkingstraight]

Well darn it. I promised I wouldn't log on again so as to tempt me from writing, but this post realed me right in. I confess that this case is close to my heart, and because of that I am heavily invested in the outcome.
I struggle with the premise of this board. Can you imagine if it was YOUR family under this kind of scrutiny? I imagine some of the things implied cut right to the heart. . However, I have learned so much here. I used to be very quick to judge but I am learning to separate fact from fiction, take a step back and practice that beautiful thing of an open mind. This board is also a good way to test patience and manners! I wholeheartedly thank you for your post. It feels nice to be understood a little more.

Thinkingstraight - thank you for the apology, though I'm not sure you needed to make one. This is a very puzzling case. The only thing that exceeds the mystery of it all is the truly tragic aspect. Within one horrible horrible week, 2 otherwise healthy people who lived in the same mansion died under circumstances that are testing our powers of reason. It evokes quite a bit of emotion within us standers-by who are trying to make sense of it. There is an obvious divide among those of us here. Each 'side' if you will, feels passionate in their beliefs. Each side is doing their best to justify their opinion. In doing so, it often comes across as frustration 'against' the 'other side'. I myself have been moved by frustration to post opposing arguments against those who believe differerently, as if my counter-point will be the one to miraculaously change minds. I realize that is an effort in futility now, however still get drawn in to debating an opposing opinion. It is one of the main reasons we are here - to discuss and dissect these troubling cases to help ourselves and each other to come to terms with what is so tragic and mysterious. I have to remind myself that it should NOT be my purpose to convince people I am right. Otherwise I would have become a lawyer....or a politician. LOL

I have admired the tenacity of those who are expressing their opinions, especially on the 'side' that seems to have fewer vocal folks on this board. I admit those who have a differing view than I often times drive me to distraction. But at the end of the day, I can see those opinions have always been stated respectfully and succinctly. It is hard when the arguments are coming in so fast. No post or opinion ever seems to go unchallenged, on either 'side'. Sometimes that feels exhausting. I applaud those who are trying their best to be civil and respectful, and so far from what I've read, that seems to be everyone here. Well done fellow WSers! You inspire me, and give me hope for the human race

 

[KarenM]

Per Verizon Wireless:

Once a Voice Mail has been erased, the message is permanently deleted from the Voice Mail network. No one can retrieve it.

 

[curiousjo]

Any chance that the late night NR text, was sent by DS - using NR cell. She didn't call b/c RN would recognize the voice, but she would not recognize the text?

Other thought, the person(s) with the cell was already in the home when text sent, but they wanted to determine where RN was, so... sent text as this would make ringing noise to give clue where she was. I think RN was in shower, and when she came out something happened.....

 

[jjenny]

As of now, we haven't seen any physical evidence that anyone even send this message to begin with.

 

[curiousjo]

Per Verizon Wireless:

Once a Voice Mail has been erased, the message is permanently deleted from the Voice Mail network. No one can retrieve it.

I thought RN had ATT cell. On my cell, I can delete a voicemail - then retrieve it at later time and listen to deleted messages.Every phone/company is different. There is that Tiger App where you (and a mistress) can rig your phones so that the messge is completely deleted in "X" amount of time that you choose.

 

[curiousjo]

As of now, we haven't seen any physical evidence that anyone even send this message to begin with.

You are correct regarding the 1230 call. Yet LE said they know who called, so I assume it was documented on JS or the callers phone. But, maybe they just went on here say from the caller... IF JS lied about the call, he will be found out, and that would open the door to everything. So, just don't see him making up a call. Yet, do think he may have said something mean and nothing about MS taking turn to worse. It was short, to the point and <2 minutes.

Even so, I was thinking about the 1030ish text.....but maybe things went down after midnight --- especially if loud music at 1AM true.