Rehashing, debating and discussing the evidence

[logicalgirl]

I doubt she cleaned it with chloroform.

And the CSI Rodrigues testified the trunk was not clean - when admitted into custody, aside from the stench and the bug evidence, the actual condition was no different than the average car.

CA mistakenly thought a couple of sheets of Febreeze would solve the problem of decomp, which they could never get rid of.

 

[natsound]

Something is going on with our quoted posts, is it happening to anyone else? There's a glitch somewhere...

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

ALL debunked in the trial and the evidence testimony by experts...Nothing you've named either contained chloroform but let's just say you want to argue that, none could have possibly contained the very high results found in the carpet many months later.

No cocktails in the trunk. Can you provide a link for your information?

Not proven - debunked. Simply not true.

There was an abnormally high level of chloroform detected in the trunk, from tests performed by Dr. Vass.

However, the only thing that proves, is that there was an abnormally high level of chloroform detected in the trunk. It does not prove anything else. It does not prove KC ever made or used chloroform on Caylee. It does not prove KC used chloroform to murder Caylee, it simply proves that a high level of chloroform existed in the trunk.

The question is why was the high level of chloroform in the trunk. This is where the prosecution and their experts failed miserbly. They did not explain anything other than there was a high level of chloroform in the trunk. What does that prove? IMO absolutely nothing.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[LambChop]

I believe the air samples from the trunk of the car was where the chloroform counts came from in Dr. Vass's tests, not from the carpet.

The carpet smelled of decomp. Garbage and the items stated can give off the smell of decomp and give off chloroform.

Chloroform is a chemical compound and many of the ingredients can be found in various cleaning supplies. It is the combination of gasses from these various items that can create a chemical cocktail that would read as chloroform.

I wouldn't get much work done cleaning if that were the case. I'd be constantly passed out. This was not "read as" chloroform it was verified as 100% pure chloroform there is a difference and it was a piece of carpeting that Dr. Vass tested that was in a can. The carpet was put in the bag and the offgasses were tested. And if you listened very carefully to what Dr. Vass stated during his testimony that it is a fact that chloroform, as a gas, evaporates very quickly. And what that means is gases from garbage, cleaning fluids, etc. would have evaporated. This was concentrated 100% pure chloroform that was in this particular sample. So something spilled onto the carpet and was absorbed or there would have been low levels of concentration registering as there were in the other samples that were taken. Somehow the jury missed that particular jewel. jmo

 

[logicalgirl]

What solid evidence was there besides one single strand of hair that could have easily fallen off of CA into the trunk after she held her dead baby?

If the body was in the trunk, so carefully wrapped up... why were there no fibres from the laundry bag found in the car?

If the body had been in the trunk for a whole month decomp fluid should have leaked onto the trunk carpet. No blood and no DNA found?

Are we talking about the same case here? The body was estimated and confirmed by experts to have been in the trunk of the vehicle, based on the bug evidence, for 2.6 days.

Seriously, it is impossible to have a discussion of this case when the basic facts are being so completely skewed.

 

[natsound]

There was an abnormally high level of chloroform detected in the trunk, from tests performed by Dr. Vass.

However, the only thing that proves, is that there was an abnormally high level of chloroform detected in the trunk. It does not prove anything else. It does not prove KC ever made or used chloroform on Caylee. It does not prove KC used chloroform to murder Caylee, it simply proves that a high level of chloroform existed in the trunk.

The question is why was the high level of chloroform in the trunk. This is where the prosecution and their experts failed miserbly. They did not explain anything other than there was a high level of chloroform in the trunk. What does that prove? IMO absolutely nothing.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

How do you justify this with the chloroform searches on the computer? And the picture "knock her out with chloroform"? Quite a coincidence, yes? One and one equals two?

 

[LambChop]

There was an abnormally high level of chloroform detected in the trunk, from tests performed by Dr. Vass.

However, the only thing that proves, is that there was an abnormally high level of chloroform detected in the trunk. It does not prove anything else. It does not prove KC ever made or used chloroform on Caylee. It does not prove KC used chloroform to murder Caylee, it simply proves that a high level of chloroform existed in the trunk.

The question is why was the high level of chloroform in the trunk. This is where the prosecution and their experts failed miserbly. They did not explain anything other than there was a high level of chloroform in the trunk. What does that prove? IMO absolutely nothing.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

SA proved the connection, "How to make chloroform" search on the A's computer at a time when only KC was home. Outside of them finding a bottle of chloroform within the family household to remove doubt, and personally with this jury even that would not have been enough. As I said, add them all up... pros and cons does wonders to paint a clear picture. jmo

 

[MaryAnn]

Are we talking about the same case here? The body was estimated and confirmed by experts to have been in the trunk of the vehicle, based on the bug evidence, for 2.6 days.

Seriously, it is impossible to have a discussion of this case when the basic facts are being so completely skewed.

I agree. No one ever said Caylee was in the trunk for a month? It must be FCA or Sr Baez hiring people to get on this site and spew more lies! What else does FCA have to do other than drink beer and .......

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

Are we talking about the same case here? The body was estimated and confirmed by experts to have been in the trunk of the vehicle, based on the bug evidence, for 2.6 days.

Seriously, it is impossible to have a discussion of this case when the basic facts are being so completely skewed.

I think the problem is that the following;
that the body was estimated and confirmed by experts to have been in the trunk of the vehicle based on the bug evidence, for 2.6 days.
Is a possiblity, but it is not a proven fact. The experts for the PT did prove it was possible, in their opinion for a body to have been in the trunk for 2.6 days. The experts for the DT disputed this opinion, and the end result was, after both sides experts had finished;
That it is possible there had been a body in the trunk for 2.6 days, but there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that there was a body in the trunk for 2.6 days.

Just because something is possible, does not mean it is indisputable proof that something actually did occur.

as always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[thedeviledadvocate]

SA proved the connection, "How to make chloroform" search on the A's computer at a time when only KC was home. Outside of them finding a bottle of chloroform within the family household to remove doubt, and personally with this jury even that would not have been enough. As I said, add them all up... pros and cons does wonders to paint a clear picture. jmo

A single search for how to make chloroform on the A's computer, combined with the photo of How to win her over with chloroform, gives me the opinion that KC didn't know what How to win her over with chloroform meant, so she looked it up.

With the high level of chloroform in the trunk, combined with the computer search, I totally agree that it needed to be looked into, because it did seem an odd coincidence.

Where the state failed, is that they wanted the jury to go from a search on the internet for how to make chloroform, three months prior, and add it to an abnormally high level of chloroform in the trunk, and come up with KC made chloroform, murdered Caylee with chloroform, hid all the evidence of making chloroform, and of using chloroform, except for leaving an abnormally high level of chloroform in the trunk.

For me that is not simply 1 + 1 = 2

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

 

[LambChop]

I think the problem is that the following;
that the body was estimated and confirmed by experts to have been in the trunk of the vehicle based on the bug evidence, for 2.6 days.
Is a possiblity, but it is not a proven fact. The experts for the PT did prove it was possible, in their opinion for a body to have been in the trunk for 2.6 days. The experts for the DT disputed this opinion, and the end result was, after both sides experts had finished;
That it is possible there had been a body in the trunk for 2.6 days, but there is not proof beyond a reasonable doubt, that there was a body in the trunk for 2.6 days.

Just because something is possible, does not mean it is indisputable proof that something actually did occur.

as always, my entire post is my opinion only.

Of course we can all assume with an almost 100% certainty that Caylee did not walk to the remains site, correct? And no one else's car in the family smelled like decomp., correct? jmo

 

[LambChop]

A single search for how to make chloroform on the A's computer, combined with the photo of How to win her over with chloroform, gives me the opinion that KC didn't know what How to win her over with chloroform meant, so she looked it up.

With the high level of chloroform in the trunk, combined with the computer search, I totally agree that it needed to be looked into, because it did seem an odd coincidence.

Where the state failed, is that they wanted the jury to go from a search on the internet for how to make chloroform, three months prior, and add it to an abnormally high level of chloroform in the trunk, and come up with KC made chloroform, murdered Caylee with chloroform, hid all the evidence of making chloroform, and of using chloroform, except for leaving an abnormally high level of chloroform in the trunk.

For me that is not simply 1 + 1 = 2

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

Wasn't the "Win her over" put up after KC did the search on her computer? I thought that was already established???? jmo

 

[QueenD]

All I can say is with the evidence the state had and proved IMO, I can only come up with one reason FCA is not sitting in Lawty State prison for women. The jury was ready to go home and didn't care. They did not want to sit through the penalty phase.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

Wasn't the "Win her over" put up after KC did the search on her computer? I thought that was already established???? jmo

It was defineately before. Defense held up a pic of it and clearly showed it was before. You can even see she was on myspace right before she did the serach.

 

[natsound]

A single search for how to make chloroform on the A's computer, combined with the photo of How to win her over with chloroform, gives me the opinion that KC didn't know what How to win her over with chloroform meant, so she looked it up.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

So if she wanted to know what "win her over with chloroform" meant, why would there be a search of "how to make chloroform"? If a search for "how to make chloroform" was found on the computer hard drive, doesn't that tell you that someone wanted to know how to make chloroform?

Then we have high levels of chloroform in the trunk, and a dead child. Reason would tell you that they are probably connected.

 

[natsound]

I wouldn't get much work done cleaning if that were the case. I'd be constantly passed out. jmo

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:floorlaugh: Me too!

 

[LambChop]

Quote from AZLawyer on the Chloroform page:

By the way, I think I know why the "win her over with chloroform" joke photo that was on Ricardo's MySpace page was so popular around that time (early 2008). In November 2007, an Ohio man pleaded guilty to using chloroform to knock out and rape teenage girls.
http://www.foxcarolina.com/news/14519857/detail.html

A few months later (Feb-March 2008 prior to Casey's March 2008 Google searches for chloroform), General Hospital had a chloroform/duct tape/kidnapping plot line. I posted details about this somewhere...probably on this thread lol.

On February 22, 2008, a soldier in Wales was found guilty of buying chloroform over the internet from "a chemical company in Stirling, Scotland" with the intention of using it to kidnap and assault children.
http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wa...1466-20508728/

On March 5, 2008, a Kansas City man was convicted of killing a girl with an overdose of chloroform.
http://www.kmbc.com/r/15503213/detail.html

So Casey could have been hearing about chloroform from several sources around that time.

BTW there were another 4 or 5 stories for this time period that I haven't included above...it seems like there was a mini-epidemic of chloroform attacks and stories in the months before Casey did her Google searches.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

So if she wanted to know what "win her over with chloroform" meant, why would there be a search of "how to make chloroform"? If a search for "how to make chloroform" was found on the computer hard drive, doesn't that tell you that someone wanted to know how to make chloroform?

Then we have high levels of chloroform in the trunk, and a dead child. Reason would tell you that they are probably connected.

Depends on her previous knowledge of Chloroform. People on myspace could have been discussing themselves how to make it or that you could make it at the time the guy posted it.

 

[Mrs. Holmes]

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:floorlaugh: Me too!

That is why the warning on the labels encourages you to use many cleaning products in a ventilated area and NOT to combine them.

 

[LambChop]

It is also possible that Elvis is still alive. I'm not trying to be snarky, but there are a whole lot of miniscule possibilities, and if we considered all of them every time, we'd have a lot of murderers walking the streets.

LOL. I thought DT said Caylee drowned????? jmo