Rehashing, debating and discussing the evidence

Which charges do you think the state proved BARD?

  • Do you think the state proved BARD counts 1 thru 7?

    Votes: 52 61.9%
  • Do you think the state proved BARD counts 2 thru 7?

    Votes: 18 21.4%
  • Do you think the state proved BARD counts 3 thru 7?

    Votes: 3 3.6%
  • Do you think the state proved BARD counts 4 thru 7?

    Votes: 11 13.1%

  • Total voters
    84
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  • #121
I am from Canada my IP would prove that. So a mod would know. You will note how I spell some things... like color as colour... this is Canadian.. and it will show my age as spell check pretty much erased the Canadian accepted way of spelling things and a younger generation does not spell this way... also.... cheque for check..... :-)

Actually your IP wouldn't show your accurate location if you know how to hide it and bounce it around - it could show Orlando and you could be in Hong Kong.
 
  • #122
Good points.

I do have the theory that the Nanny was invented to protect the baby from GA. If CA was molested by her father she would want to stop GA from babysitting her alone. If she has a fake job and a fake nanny... she can keep CA safe with her and the money she makes goes to pay the nanny.

IMO


I do appreciated your thinking outside of the box but I really believe there's alot of hard evidence that can't be disputed..If you look at every piece of evidence, you can form certain opinions based on that evidence but as a whole..IMO...I can conclude that FCA was the only one responsible for Caylees death and disposal. FCA when home on bond with Tracy "babysitting" her even admits...she is the "only one" that knows what happened.
 
  • #123
You have remember, too that many of our regular posters that voted before and during the trial are not posting here regularly so it may take some time to get to the end results. jmo

I agree - the majority of the regular posters left in disgust at the verdict shortly after the verdict was read and have not returned. The board had a large influx of OCA supporters after the verdict who were not here for the three years of sleuthing and discussion prior to the case.
 
  • #124
So if she wanted to know what "win her over with chloroform" meant, why would there be a search of "how to make chloroform"? If a search for "how to make chloroform" was found on the computer hard drive, doesn't that tell you that someone wanted to know how to make chloroform?

Then we have high levels of chloroform in the trunk, and a dead child. Reason would tell you that they are probably connected.


that is why I dont believe it was ever a search to find out what it was. if you want to do that, you head your little self over to dictionary.com

while researching some plants I might like to grow a few days ago, I noted that a great many plants I was interested in were from the family Solanaceae (these are the nightshade plants, which aside from nightshade itself include tomato, potato, peppers, tobacco, etc, as I seem to have a pure true love for most plants in this family LOL)

anywaaaays as you might note I was thorough in my research, so thorough that I landed on some page or another that noted if one ingests poisonous nightshade plants, if one manages not to fatally dose oneself, one has a hallucinogenic trip from hell.

what! I exclaimed. no one would be that stupid!!

a little more google tells me some people are indeed that "adventurous".

even to ingesting nightshade!! crazy!!

my WHOOOOOLLLEE point is this: when I learned all that, I did not then google "how to make tinctures of (belladonna, datura, whatever)" I googled something more like "what happens during human poisoning of (belladonna, datura, whatever)".

the rest of OCA's google searches surrounding the "how to make" search dont really support her wondering what it was.

*note: I also learned that iboga appears to completely clear opiate addictions with very few doses.
 
  • #125
I was being sarcastic about the hairdresser or insurance guy.

I agree it could have been ANYBODY THAT FOUND THE REMAINS... but it wasn't just anybody... it was the Anthony's meter reader.... and that is quite a coincidence.


Actually I question whether you could consider RK the A's meter reader. I'm not 100% sure but I believe the meter readers rotated routes.
 
  • #126
Actually your IP wouldn't show your accurate location if you know how to hide it and bounce it around - it could show Orlando and you could be in Hong Kong.

My email is from a Canadian service provider though. Not hotmail. But that is true and I have played with an IP mask to try and watch UK soaps but it didn't work. :floorlaugh:
 
  • #127
Even JB agreed the body was in the trunk.

My theory is the kidnapping was staged but that night turned in to a good night (TL says a night that lasted in through the next afternoon!) so she didn't want to spoil a good thing with the report.
 
  • #128
that is why I dont believe it was ever a search to find out what it was. if you want to do that, you head your little self over to dictionary.com

while researching some plants I might like to grow a few days ago, I noted that a great many plants I was interested in were from the family Solanaceae (these are the nightshade plants, which aside from nightshade itself include tomato, potato, peppers, tobacco, etc, as I seem to have a pure true love for most plants in this family LOL)

anywaaaays as you might note I was thorough in my research, so thorough that I landed on some page or another that noted if one ingests poisonous nightshade plants, if one manages not to fatally dose oneself, one has a hallucinogenic trip from hell.

what! I exclaimed. no one would be that stupid!!

a little more google tells me some people are indeed that "adventurous".

even to ingesting nightshade!! crazy!!

my WHOOOOOLLLEE point is this: when I learned all that, I did not then google "how to make tinctures of (belladonna, datura, whatever)" I googled something more like "what happens during human poisoning of (belladonna, datura, whatever)".

the rest of OCA's google searches surrounding the "how to make" search dont really support her wondering what it was.

*note: I also learned that iboga appears to completely clear opiate addictions with very few doses.


Totally off topic but nightshade grows wild out here and one of our cows ate some. She ran around like a crazy cow, we drove the convertible out to see what was wrong and she tried to jump in the back seat with me! I'm even careful, wear gloves when I pull weeds, not to get the berry juice or leaf juice in contact with my skin.
 
  • #129
Totally off topic but nightshade grows wild out here and one of our cows ate some. She ran around like a crazy cow, we drove the convertible out to see what was wrong and she tried to jump in the back seat with me! I'm even careful, wear gloves when I pull weeds, not to get the berry juice or leaf juice in contact with my skin.


YES be careful, I read one person's account of when they were squeezing berries and one popped in their eye :eek:


I will remain on topic now!
 
  • #130
I agree - the majority of the regular posters left in disgust shortly after the verdict and have not returned. The board had a large influx of OCA supporters after the verdict who were not here for the three years of sleuthing and discussion prior to the case.

I am one of those regular posters that has not spent as much time on this forum as I did before. The verdict still hurts really bad and I just haven't found the heart to really jump back into the discussions yet. I do take time everyday to read up on other cases in the other areas of this forum. I haven't given up hope that our other little victims will be given the justice they so desperately deserve here in this earth. Unfortunately, Caylee will never have that though and that is what hurts the most. That a two-year-old baby was let down not once (by her own family), but twice, when the jury decided that this case was not about the murder victim, but about the continuous lies spewed out of her murderers mouth.

I still love all of you!! XOXOXOXO
 
  • #131
Those are good questions and we should know for sure. I have meters in my back yard and the guy has to go through the gate to read them. They A's gate could be closed but not always locked. If GA was working on digging up for the "cement grave" he would have left the side gate open or unlocked while he was moving materials into the backyard. ..... enter RK... who has a shady past

Mrs. Holmes, I hope I can help you. My husband is a plumber who works in the area of the Anthony's quite a bit. While he thought I was crazy when I asked him, he says the water meters are in the front not the backyard. I hope this helps to ease your mind.
 
  • #132
I think these things are exactly the types of things that caused problems for the jury. I think the prosecution failed to provide proof beyond a reasonable doubt about these things. If the prosecution had been successful in proving there was a body in the trunk, beyond a reasonable doubt, there would be no room for arguments.

For example, the hair found in the trunk with apparent decomp says to you there was a body in the trunk. Yet, the FBI expert could not determine whether the hair came from a live Caylee or a dead Caylee. This leaves reasonable doubt.

Another example, the adipocere:
Fatty acids, such as the ones detected (palmitic, etc.), indicate a fat decomposition product like adipocere(grave wax) present on the paper towels::: is another part of this trial that truly baffles me. If it is a substance like adipocere then it is not adipocere.
Either it is adipocere or it is not adipocere. Why did no one test it to see if it was or it was not?
Someone asked me what would it take to get me off the fence and onto the prosecutions side of this trial. If someone would test the substance and confirm that it is indeed adipocere, that would pretty much make all the rest fall into place for me. A simple little test. Especially if that test can confirm it is human adipocere. To me the one and only reason the experts for the prosecution did not confirm that this was human adipocere with a test, is because it is not human adipocere and they know it.

As always, my entire post is my opinion only.

I agree wholeheartedly that it was not proven to be adipocere and WHY would they just not run the test and prove it. However, IMO, whether it was or was not adipocere doesn't change my stance. It only proves that yes Caylee was dead in the trunk. It doesn't tell me how she died. All again, JMO.
 
  • #133
Can you give me a link for that. If true he could be disbarred for that. GA was questioned many many months before the trail about this. His own lawyer said the KNEW this was coming... so this was just suddenly popping into his head during the trial. The abuse was reported to the DA and they opted not to do anything about it.

Wrong again; he cannot be disbarred for anything - he can say he thinks Ashton was involved in the opening statement (which is almost as bad as his saying George sexually abused her). Opening statement is NOT evidence and not to be taken as fact by the jury - WHICH JUDGE PERRY SAID MANY A TIME; NOT ONCE, BUY MANY TIMES.
 
  • #134
My email is from a Canadian service provider though. Not hotmail. But that is true and I have played with an IP mask to try and watch UK soaps but it didn't work. :floorlaugh:

It takes a small special little software package..
 
  • #135
JB was not the first person to suspect this. One of the investigators was shown in court to have concerns about this.

If it is true. I hope she works with a therapist and goes back to a DA with additional evidence.
I wasn't able to watch all of the trial. Do you have a link to this testimony? TIA
 
  • #136
Quote from the Witness and Testimonies threat: CM's exam of RK and a breakdown of the testimony.

"On 8/11, he was not really aware where the A's house was in relation to Suburban Drive. It was the first time he had run this route. While relieving himself, nothing unusual happened to him. He looked around while he was in the woods. He saw an object that appeared a little odd to him. He really didn't see a bag per se. He did not lift a bag."
 
  • #137
I hope no one starts messing with my guy, Dr. Vass. :)
 
  • #138
They stated right in the trial that this was never done. The prosecution did not get RK's phone records or work records. They did not even get GA's phone records or work records.

I believe they did have them and they just weren't presented at trial because RK and GA were not on trial. Nothing like that was said. And FYI, if it were an issue JB could have gotten the records with a subpoena as neither man had anything to hide. If JB did not provide them they were of no benefit to defense. SA is not going to stand in front of the jury and argue that GA and RK work/phone numbers prove they did not commit the crime.....they are not suspects and never were. If this were the case every friend KC ever had would have had to provide work and phone records to prove they did not kill Caylee. Common sense. jmo
 
  • #139
Quote from the Witness and Testimonies threat: CM's exam of RK and a breakdown of the testimony.

"On 8/11, he was not really aware where the A's house was in relation to Suburban Drive. It was the first time he had run this route. While relieving himself, nothing unusual happened to him. He looked around while he was in the woods. He saw an object that appeared a little odd to him. He really didn't see a bag per se. He did not lift a bag."

Thanks....
IMO CM was going over RK's statements to police. This is RK's statement. However... I have not seen documentation from his employer on where he was in June. I believe we only have RK's word on this. CM was more interested in proving RK messed with the remains.
 
  • #140
Ya know how desperate the DT was in connecting poor George...their super duper PIs were ready to crucify him with Vasco Thompson. Now that was pathetic.
 
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