Rescue at sea for sick baby

[Frigga]

Tweet from Eric Kaufman @CaptEricKaufman · Apr 27
Are we yesterday's news yet? Has society found something else to entertain themselves with?"

:waitasec: Maybe society would find something else to entertain themselves with if y'all would quit whoring yourselves out to national media outlets and making all your ridiculous antics public fodder. Deal?

Wonder how much they got paid for that interview?

He really thinks a lot of himself- doesn't he.

Narcissus... the water... his own reflection. Hmmmm.

 

[CHERIE.T]

Oh my gawd.

 

[inthedark14]

:sick:

Those poor girls. Is it ok to make your children sleep in a closet? On the foam pads on the floor? I really do wonder about this. Isn't there some sort of standard of care you have to provide for your children???? Doesn't the state have something to say about that?

They are not on the boat any longer. They are living in a studio apartment with two children. If anyone should be sleeping on the floor, it should be the parents.

 

[redheadedgal]

I would imagine someone, somewhere has screenshots or copies of all of their blog posts.

Can he delete posts from the cruising and sailing forums he posted on where he admitted things and blasted others? Anyone know?

not sure about CF, but he's deleted threads and is defending himself @ https://xerq.io/threads/376075-Faceman-suing-satellite-phone-company

(in the above thread, there is graphic language, so reader be ware!)

eric's/faceman's posts are protected but you can see a few in quoted material.


edit: one thread @ CF where he blasted another sailor is still there @ http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f129/what-a-mess-zenamaran-106946.html

and another: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...-tax-payer-rides-home-109129.html#post1307841

 

[Snoods]

There's a great discussion going on about this lawsuit on the site posted above and it's growing quickly. Lots of interesting comments from other sailors, well worth the read.

I'll link it again:

http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f129/rebel-heart-crew-suing-129206-5.html

Lol at Eric doing damage control. His little fingers must be exhausted. Maybe he can sue the news for carpal tunnel syndrome.

 

[Snoods]

not sure about CF, but he's deleted threads and is defending himself @ https://xerq.io/threads/376075-Faceman-suing-satellite-phone-company

(in the above thread, there is graphic language, so reader be ware!)

eric's/faceman's posts are protected but you can see a few in quoted material.


edit: one thread @ CF where he blasted another sailor is still there @ http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums/f129/what-a-mess-zenamaran-106946.html

and another: http://www.cruisersforum.com/forums...-tax-payer-rides-home-109129.html#post1307841

Those particular comments of his are on the top of my "Eric's pretentious comments" list. I just had to screen cap them in case he somehow gets them deleted.

O Eric, thine douchebaggery shalt live and flourish for eternity, never to perish.

 

[Snoods]

My take after listening to the extended Kaufman interview:

Where are their damages? So the only reason they wanted to call their doctor was because they wanted dosage advice, because Lyra spit out her medicine sometimes. So are they saying that if the phone worked and the doctor advised them to have Lyra take (the same) medicine, but don't let her spit it out, and if she does make her take it again, none of this would have happened?

But since they couldn't get that doctor's advice, they decided to sail to the closest port in their extremely sea worthy boat, that was absolutely NOT taking on water. Oh wait, no! Even though their vessel was sea worthy, they decided to call out the coast guard in an incredibly expensive, life risking, time consuming rescue.

So the Kaufman's are now saying the rescue was unnecessary? Bet the Coast Guard loves that. So Rebel Heart WAS seaworthy and wasn't taking on water? Why didn't Eric just sail it behind the Coast Guard ship? So are they going to sue the Coast Guard for making them sink that sea worthy boat and refuse to let him sail it?

Of course they went on that morning show to generate negative publicity against the SAT company in hopes the company will settle. I sure hope they don't. I would hate to see them make money off of their own irresponsible and reckless behavior, which would further bolster their "we do nothing wrong" attitude. See!! It's the phone companies fault! Neener neener boo boo.

 

[Kamille]

Haven't posted on this one but have been following along. In regards to the current lawsuit, one thing I've not seen anyone mention is the fact that after the paramedics got to the boat, they stayed on the boat for another 3 days I believe administering first aid to the baby and helping Eric with the sailing and bailing of the crippled boat. Now if the situation after those three days was not still a very sick child and a crippled boat then those paramedics could have just left the boat on their own and left the family to continue on their way. If Eric had been able to have phone contact during those three days with a doctor and not had to to use an emergency beacon, how would the situation have been any different 3 days later when they actually had 4 paramedics on board for a number of days who were unable to bring everything to a satisfactorily safe solution? They still would have required emergency help even with phone access IMO. And the end result would have been the same.

MOO

 

[Snoods]

Great post from Smack Daddy #14 from forum posted above. I am going to paraphrase some parts and leave some out for copyright law:

In addition to the medication issue, the satphone also apparently caused the deck-rot Eric knew about (according to his own posts) prior to departure (though of course Eric didn't mention that in the interview), which then apparently caused the deck failure, which then caused the water intrusion, which then caused the batteries and electronics to fail, which then caused the inability to make safe drinking water...and also obviously caused the lack of tankage for fuel (for power generation)...etc...which left them without power or communication (except for the EPIRB and handheld VHF).

Had they only known the proper medicine technique - nothing else would have been an issue for the remaining 3-8 weeks of their trip. They were just fine!

Stupid phone.

:rolling:
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[redheadedgal]

re: CF

all threads about the RH were shut down. were the mods there threatened with a lawsuit too?

 

[MyBelle]

My take after listening to the extended Kaufman interview:

Where are their damages? So the only reason they wanted to call their doctor was because they wanted dosage advice, because Lyra spit out her medicine sometimes. So are they saying that if the phone worked and the doctor advised them to have Lyra take (the same) medicine, but don't let her spit it out, and if she does make her take it again, none of this would have happened?

But since they couldn't get that doctor's advice, they decided to sail to the closest port in their extremely sea worthy boat, that was absolutely NOT taking on water. Oh wait, no! Even though their vessel was sea worthy, they decided to call out the coast guard in an incredibly expensive, life risking, time consuming rescue.

So the Kaufman's are now saying the rescue was unnecessary? Bet the Coast Guard loves that. So Rebel Heart WAS seaworthy and wasn't taking on water? Why didn't Eric just sail it behind the Coast Guard ship? So are they going to sue the Coast Guard for making them sink that sea worthy boat and refuse to let him sail it?

Of course they went on that morning show to generate negative publicity against the SAT company in hopes the company will settle. I sure hope they don't. I would hate to see them make money off of their own irresponsible and reckless behavior, which would further bolster their "we do nothing wrong" attitude. See!! It's the phone companies fault! Neener neener boo boo.

They are still totally clueless about responsible parenting. The SAT company isn't going to settle because they have done nothing wrong. Did they really need a doctor to tell them to make sure the child swallowed her medicine? Or to not rinse dirty diapers in the same sink used to prepare food? The SAT company wasn't the source of the baby's salmonella infection. They didn't cause the deteriorating condition of the little boat.

These morons built a monstrosity of a loft, claim they left off the lower rung of the ladder for "child safety" reasons and then intentionally built a climbing wall for a three-year-old. They free up floor space and yet their infant sleeps in a poorly ventilated closet with her head next to the dirty feet of her older sister and her sister sleeps with her head under a shelf piled with books. But, of course, if she happens to kick her sister in the head or raise her own head, that will be Cora's fault.

It's one thing to want to live a simple life but child safety and sanitation have to be a priority whether living on land or sea. It's too bad their family doesn't seem to want to intervene to protect the children.

JMO

 

[MyBelle]

re: CF

all threads about the RH were shut down. were the mods there threatened with a lawsuit too?

Maybe from the SAT phone company.

 

[LaLaw2000]

IIRC, Charlotte's sister had sent them an envelope with important mail once before. I remember reading that in one of Charlotte's blogs. I have no idea where to find it now which is why I stated IIRC. When was the last time they even checked for any important mail before leaving on that trip?

Honestly, what I think happened is that Eric found that the boat was not in proper condition for blue water sailing even though he had thought it was. I feel he got scared, yes scared, and knew their lives were in danger because he really was not as knowledgeable as he thought he was. Charlotte had to take care of the girls and he was more or less the whole crew himself. He didn't have the proper equipment onboard and he knew it, IMO.

The SAT phone cannot sail the boat, LOL! Apparently he couldn't either. He and Charlotte write of the boat's condition yet now it is the SAT phone provider's fault?? If you look at the pics, once the rescuers got there, the baby doesn't appear to be too sick. They had the meds onboard, but hadn't written down the proper dosage for each child? It would have been different for each child, IMO.

At one point during the trip Charlotte briefly mentions suicide and how hard the trip is, IIRC. That in itself says a lot. Eric is such a self-centered narcissist (sp?) and Charlotte gives in to his every whim, IMO. I wouldn't want a woman with that thought process teaching my children.

Anyway, I feel the emergency call had more to do with the boat's condition and Eric just being tired of so much work and the responsibility of managing a safe crossing.

I don't think they have a case, but I am not a lawyer. They are about to have their little self-righteous world turned upside down with a court case, IMO. I certainly don't believe they will get a new boat out of this!

MOO

 

[1&2&3]

Tell me it is not true! I had been so busy following the poor baby Cooper left in the hot car, and the horrendous murders of the couple in Georgia, this crazy couple had fallen off my radar.

Let me preface this as JMO, this narcissist man will do anything to not work, not follow the footsteps of the majority of men and fathers, just does not take responsibility for all the mistakes as to why his little boat was not ready or able to take his family out onto the big ocean. His dream, that is all that matters to him.

His wife is not a sailor, does not have the knowledge to help him or stomach to not be seasick. Does that matter to him? Of course not! These are statements from earlier on when their little expedition and websight came to light.

I hope this law suit shows him what a fool he is! Where is he getting the money for his lawyer? It is time for Karma to take a bite out of him and stop his foolishness! Apparently the sick child at sea did not teach him anything, as many of us had suspected.

How do you get CFS involved in a case like this?

My opinions only!

 

[wendiesan]

Just a reminder re the costs of the Kaufman rescue operation.

And parents Eric and Charlotte Kaufman will not have to foot the bill -- at least as far as the Coast Guard is concerned.
"The Coast Guard does not charge for search and rescue operations," said Coast Guard Lt. Anna Dixon in a statement. "We don’t want people in trouble at sea to hesitate to call for help for fear they’ll be charged for assistance. Mariners assisting one another at sea is both a time-honored tradition and a requirement of the Safety of Life at Sea Convention of the International Maritime Organization."
Dixon said neither the Navy nor the California Air National Guard have indicated plans to seek repayment for their rescue efforts.

Source: http://www.nbcsandiego.com/news/loc...CA-Military-Dept-254254671.html#ixzz37Ihztala

Both the Navy and the California Air National Guard have said they don't charge for such rescues, and they're not going to start by charging the Kaufmans.

http://www.sandiego6.com/news/local/Rescue-of-Kaufman-family-at-sea-cost-663000-254845971.html?m=y

So EK plans to repay the rescuers with $0.00 since that was the amount he was being billed by the rescue agencies and keep all the rest of the money to replace the Rebel Heart?

 

[MyBelle]

Tell me it is not true! I had been so busy following the poor baby Cooper left in the hot car, and the horrendous murders of the couple in Georgia, this crazy couple had fallen off my radar.

Let me preface this as JMO, this narcissist man will do anything to not work, not follow the footsteps of the majority of men and fathers, just does not take responsibility for all the mistakes as to why his little boat was not ready or able to take his family out onto the big ocean. His dream, that is all that matters to him.

His wife is not a sailor, does not have the knowledge to help him or stomach to not be seasick. Does that matter to him? Of course not! These are statements from earlier on when their little expedition and websight came to light.

I hope this law suit shows him what a fool he is! Where is he getting the money for his lawyer? It is time for Karma to take a bite out of him and stop his foolishness! Apparently the sick child at sea did not teach him anything, as many of us had suspected.

How do you get CFS involved in a case like this?

My opinions only!

I'm astounded that hasn't already been done. A child so ill due to salmonella infection she required rescue by the United States Navy and National Guard just days later was sleeping on the floor of a tiny closet next to her sister's dirty feet. Hello?????

I truly do not understand why it is being ignored by the children's family.

JMO

 

[Harmony 2]

Posting photos of minors is not allowed... thanks

 

[Snoods]

Tell me it is not true! I had been so busy following the poor baby Cooper left in the hot car, and the horrendous murders of the couple in Georgia, this crazy couple had fallen off my radar.

Let me preface this as JMO, this narcissist man will do anything to not work, not follow the footsteps of the majority of men and fathers, just does not take responsibility for all the mistakes as to why his little boat was not ready or able to take his family out onto the big ocean. His dream, that is all that matters to him.

His wife is not a sailor, does not have the knowledge to help him or stomach to not be seasick. Does that matter to him? Of course not! These are statements from earlier on when their little expedition and websight came to light.

I hope this law suit shows him what a fool he is! Where is he getting the money for his lawyer? It is time for Karma to take a bite out of him and stop his foolishness! Apparently the sick child at sea did not teach him anything, as many of us had suspected.

How do you get CFS involved in a case like this?

My opinions only!

BBM I'm sure the lawyer is working on contingency, so he'll only get paid if he wins the case.

Dan Gilleon is the Kaufman's lawyer, he also sued Disneyland for having a racist White Rabbit on staff that didn't hug their children enough. Disneyland quietly settled the case.

Not a question in my mind that Gilleon is counting on a similar settlement from the Sat phone company.


http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/family-charges-disneyland-racism-article-1.1257635

 

[Snoods]

One more thing. The Kaufman's are including the cost of their rescue in their lawsuit against the sat company. Now, I received my law degree from the Judge Judy school of law so I defer to Gitana on this one, but can you sue for something that you yourself haven't even paid and won't ever be obligated to pay?

 

[wendiesan]

One more thing. The Kaufman's are including the cost of their rescue in their lawsuit against the sat company. Now, I received my law degree from the Judge Judy school of law so I defer to Gitana on this one, but can you sue for something that you yourself haven't even paid and won't ever be obligated to pay?

I don't understand this either, so am hoping Gitana will give her opinion.