Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/9-1/12 Break - Part 2

[bznbear]

I wanted to carry on from the other thread, the rumored part of testiphony cmja was at. It was rumored indeed rumored that she wasn't yet at meeting travis when the COA intervened on 11/3. The reason I believe this is likely the case, is we all know lkn and jw style is sloooow and illiciting "how did that make you feeeeel" after every single question. I can easily see that after 1 1/3 days on the stand they are probably still up to age 13-15

I'm wondering if Nurmi was taking her through the fog from ages 10-12?

 

[LambChop]

Okay, let's cover this again. Opinions are okay, bashing is not. Don't bash the judge because your opinion differs from others.

Also do not try to tell other posters how to post. Obviously it is going on in this thread because I see posts about posters feeling uncomfortable about being told how to think. Don't post such as: "you're going to find out". It would help if opinions are phrased in a less demanding way such as: "we may find that", "it's possible that", etc. Since they are opinions and if no links are included, they should be considered as nothing more opinions and it does not mean another poster's opinion is wrong. If you are trying to give the impression you are an expert then you would need to get verified.

Hope that is clear now.

Thanks, Lambchop

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Speaking of JSS, this attorney really puts his opinion out there. hwow:




http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/the-jodi-arias-trial-justice-run-amok-84297/

 

[mydirtysecret]

I'm wondering if Nurmi was taking her through the fog from ages 10-12?

I am curious, for example when john sue smith testified how many pages there would be if transcribed? Is 400 pages average?

 

[hindsight2020]

I would think that a Superior Court Judge has wide latitude and full control of their courtroom, JSS failed to make rulings on many motions thus wasting court resources, jurors time, etc. which resulted in many delays allowing the DT to hold this trial hostage. Ultimately passed the buck to the COA, SCOA to make the decisions that she was clearly capable of ruling herself thus avoiding this sideshow . . . but what do I know. MOO

I am not too confident but, it is my hope she can turn this around sooner than later.

 

[Sweet Fox]

Speaking of JSS, this attorney really puts his opinion out there. hwow:




http://www.jdsupra.com/legalnews/the-jodi-arias-trial-justice-run-amok-84297/

Excellent article. Thank you for posting the link.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Okay, let's cover this again. Opinions are okay, bashing is not. Don't bash the judge because your opinion differs from others.

Also do not try to tell other posters how to post. Obviously it is going on in this thread because I see posts about posters feeling uncomfortable about being told how to think. Don't post such as: "you're going to find out". It would help if opinions are phrased in a less demanding way such as: "we may find that", "it's possible that", etc. Since they are opinions and if no links are included, they should be considered as nothing more opinions and it does not mean another poster's opinion is wrong. If you are trying to give the impression you are an expert then you would need to get verified.

Hope that is clear now.

Thanks, Lambchop

We should not have to be reminded repeatedly for the same thing. I respect everyone's opinion even though I may not sometimes agree. Thanks Lambchop.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Excellent article. Thank you for posting the link.

You're welcome. It speaks volumes IMO.

 

[LambChop]

We should not have to be reminded repeatedly for the same thing. I respect everyone's opinion even though I may not sometimes agree. Thanks Lambchop.

Well, either I did not explain it clearly the first and second time....or I'm on ignore. :loveyou:

 

[Sweet Fox]

You're welcome. It speaks volumes IMO.

Here's another good article by the same attorney regarding JSS handling of the sentencing trial.

http://blog.volkovlaw.com/2014/11/the-jodi-arias-sentencing-hearing-can-it-get-any-worse/

 

[MeeBee]

Here's another good article by the same attorney regarding JSS handling of the sentencing trial.

http://blog.volkovlaw.com/2014/11/the-jodi-arias-sentencing-hearing-can-it-get-any-worse/

This line stood out:.

"For that she deserves every bit of criticism and judicial scrutiny."

There's nothing wrong with questioning a judge and taking issue with how she handles her courtroom.

 

[LinTX]

So many excuses reasons for JSS to have allowed JA to testify in secret, for the transcripts to be held for weeks despite the COA ruling and a reassuring opinion stated that (now that two higher courts have ruled or issued a stay against her) JSS won't do this again. Yet, as we speak, we have a witness testifying as an expert anonymously, no camera allowed, and without credentials that normally qualify one as an expert. This witness was the subject of several attempts by the state to interview which the court left unaddressed. The mention of prosecutorial misconduct was allowed to be mentioned in front of the jury via this expert, yet while mention by the state of any questionable conduct by these defense experts on the work drives wasn't precluded, the judge did tell the defense she'd rule on objections on a case by case basis. Anyone think JM is free to question this witness completely as to his background or his actual work in this case?

Nurmi is claiming 14 witnesses won't testify in open court, yet JM had to fight tooth and nail to even get their names, and later was not allowed to contact them directly or know their addresses, etc. He was told to go through the defense to access them. Assuming of course, that these 14 witnesses are all the same names given to JM, I'm guessing he has not interviewed them because they mention affadavits. Apparently JM has not even been given some of their affidavits, so who knows who these people are? And, let's not forget, the mentally ill little girl hasn't decided whether or not she'll continue to testify, but if he doesn't like JSS's ruling Nurmi may go back to the COA. Am I reassured? Um, that would be a big no.


btw, <modsnip> the Supreme Court's ruling hasn't been made, so it's not a smack down yet. They have expedited times for responses to the 16th, but that gives the defense a whole week to file a new batch of motions to keep the state busy. As for <modsnip> comment about people having opinions of this process without having a dog in this fight, as a citizen, my "dog" is the US Constitution and the rules of the court. As the COA said in it's decision:

Waller is a reminder that a public trial is for the benefit of the public and a defendant, and the presence of the public may keep the judges, lawyers, witnesses and jurors “keenly alive to a sense of their responsibility and to the importance of their function[.]” Waller, 467 U.S. at 46.

 

[ElleElle]

What's going on now is probably innocent miscommunication regarding getting the court reporter stuff transcribed vs printed and so on, so I don't think that's a huge deal (at least not yet). I think the $400 will be disputed by Bodney - why should they have to pay when (as it turns out) she ruled improperly in keeping them out? In any case I don't think she's stalling if they get in the press's hands this week.

But as I've said before, where I think she made a huge mistake was giving KN from November to January to sit on it. As soon as the COA ruling came out she should have said they'd be out within 24 or 48 hours, putting the onus on him to file for a stay and an expedited hearing. Instead she let it slide for two months or six weeks - depending on whether you start counting when the decision was announced or when the written version of it came out. All this nonsense that went on in January should have been settled back in late November/early December.

JSS is not Nurmi's babysitter. He chose to wait to the last minute to file an appeal with the CoA. Sounds funny, because it is.

He made his own bed, with the help of the defendant, now he has to sleep in it.

He probably thought the SC would rule in his favor - NOT!

 

[Caylee Advocate]

Well, either I did not explain it clearly the first and second time....or I'm on ignore. :loveyou:

No, I don't think you stuttered when you first posted it. But I do have you on ignore, so how am I reading this?

 

[ElleElle]

If you were on this jury currently, where would your mindset be? It sucks that we've only had tweets, but based on the testimony so far (excluding JA's secret one), what would you be thinking?

I'd be thinking this should of been over almost 1 month ago, and what is the hold up. Also, this is getting rather boring, since testimony so far has no real substance.

 

[Caylee Advocate]

This line stood out:.

"For that she deserves every bit of criticism and judicial scrutiny."

There's nothing wrong with questioning a judge and taking issue with how she handles her courtroom.

I did not look at his location, I wonder if he knows JSS? I fully agree, and sometimes it gives a person, (any person) a wake up call. I give my boss constructive criticism on a daily basis, but he still loves me. :happydance:

 

[Fuskier]

Nevertheless, she's in a no win situation. Critics coming at her from all sides. The defense, the State and the public. Jodi is the bad guy here, not the Court. This will be over soon and I imagine JSS will be relieved beyond imagination
JMO

Good to remember IMO. It's amazing how manipulative this convicted murderer has been - through her lawyers. Are we seeing a blatant display of 'omnipotence' and 'megalomanic control' manipulated through her lawyers? or have they been caught in her web too? It is amazing how this character pathology has influenced and 'played with' the court processes... and, of course, all on the public purse of AZ citizens! My opinion only.

 

[Madeleine74]

I would think that a Superior Court Judge has wide latitude and full control of their courtroom, JSS failed to make rulings on many motions thus wasting court resources, jurors time, etc. which resulted in many delays allowing the DT to hold this trial hostage. Ultimately passed the buck to the COA, SCOA to make the decisions that she was clearly capable of ruling herself thus avoiding this sideshow . . . but what do I know. MOO

I am not too confident but, it is my hope she can turn this around sooner than later.

I know of only one issue that was taken to the CoA and then on to the S.C. (the whole secret testimony debacle). What other decisions did JSS pass along to courts above her?

She can't stop the defense from appealing a ruling she makes and taking it up the chain to the CoA. She may wish she could stop them, but legally she cannot. She could figure out how to keep court going while an issue might be pending at the appeals level, and that doesn't seem to be a skill she has.

I believe the defense would have appealed this particular issue if JSS did rule against them. She didn't rule against the defense, but the media properly appealed, and there it went up the chain to a higher court. I think it was going to go to the CoA regardless, because I believe the defense was going to push it one way or another.

 

[5bigfish5]

If you were on this jury currently, where would your mindset be? It sucks that we've only had tweets, but based on the testimony so far (excluding JA's secret one), what would you be thinking?

I would be thinking..."when am I going to get the information to do MY job?"

I know Jodi murdered Travis, she admits it and all that was explained to me. Now I have been sitting her for weeks on end or twiddling my thumbs and I have yet to hear any mitigation. All I hear is....hmmm...white noise.

 

[Madeleine74]

If I were on the jury I'd be wondering:

1. "Why all these delays?"
2. "How long is this going to go on?"
3. "What does Travis looking at (adult) on his computer have to do with anything? He was an adult. It's not illegal. Him looking at is not a mitigator."
4. "How does any of this ("Travis could be a jerk" "Travis argued in a rude way") help me decide whether to save the killer's life? You don't get to murder someone because they were a jerk or were rude. Those aren't mitigators."
5. "Why is my time being wasted?"