Retrial for Sentencing of Jodi Arias - 1/9-1/12 Break

[LinasK]

It amazes me that Nurmi is arguing to get the DP taken away then says that she will never be executed. Well then why is he making such an issue if he knows she will never be executed. IMO that statement undermines the whole reason they were there today.
I think that if the judge denies this motion we will see Jodi on the stand. Jodi knows there will be no secret testimony from her. She has already decided that she will testify, but she cannot tell the judge that yet because it will blow the whole motion before the court today. If she has decided not to testify I think she would of announced it to the court to further the support of todays motion. IMO

She sure couldn't wait to testify for 18 long days when she thought she wouldn't be convicted and was loving the media. Now she wants it her way or go home. She wants to be able to lie in secret and not have her lies examined. Not gonna' work!!!

 

[Hatfield]

Can someone explain the alleged not turning over the image from the 18th.
Is Nurmi saying that the State had the original image of the hard drive and when DT asked to look at the computer evidence, that the DT only got the real computer that they turned on and copied their own image of it?

I got confused about some image from the 18th that seemed like Nurmi was claiming the state never gave him.

I doubt it has much difference other than the virus or cleaners being run
Any sabotage once DT took it would be on them.

 

[Nali87]

From MK Twitter:

Michael Kiefer @michaelbkiefer · 26s 27 seconds ago


Martinez says it was more likely the person who alleged Alexander watched who really watched the . Calls it a "communal computer."


Michael Kiefer retweeted
Mike Watkiss @mikewatkiss3tv · 1m 1 minute ago


Martinez says allegation that TA abused other girl untrue because girl was out of country at time of allegation #3tvarias #jodiarias

The fact that whoever witness this was, was willing to lie under oath for JA.. Wth? Some people are disturbed.

 

[MeeBee]

The fact that whoever witness this was, was willing to lie under oath for JA.. Wth? Some people are disturbed.

Is it any wonder why Nurmi is saying he's just too scared to testify? This way he gets his testimony on the record without having to face Juan.

 

[noor]

I just watched the video of JSS nodding. I had the volume off. I thought she was looking down and to the right while she was taking notes and listening to Nurmi. Yes ,she was shaking her head, but I didn't feel like it was in agreement..... I thought it was more like " mmmm, hmmmmmm would you please stop talking". That kind of non committal nod people do when they aren't really listening but want to appear to be doing so.

ETA - and taking notes

I think she's agreeing with the fact that jodi's life is over, that's what nurmi said.....game over....yep!

 

[Becky Sharp]

Slightly OT, but on subject: I'm watching Neil Simon's "Murder by Death." I haven't seen it in decades, and I'd forgotten how silly it is. But it's worth watching because both Peter Sellers and Maggie Smith are in it.

 

[elementary]

Originally Posted by Hope4More

Last note by BK...Nurmi says he may have to take it (upcoming JSS ruling) to a higher court, and that the decision whether she should testify again won't be made until court(s) resolve.

Is Nurmi threatening the judge? WoW!

IMO, he knows her confidence is shaky so he seeks to undermine it even further hoping that she will cave.

 

[Deleted member 122533]

Maybe she's just acknowledging that she is hearing and listening, not necessarily agreeing with him.

She also nods her head when listening to Juan. It looks like it is in acknowledgment, as you suggest, DaisyDomino. Regrettably, Juan is shown for less time than Nurmi. My only consolation through this endless slog of a trial is that Nurmi wil have bored CMJA half to death by the final verdict. I can't bear listening to his snail-like pace. Arias has had to listen to him for years in private too. :jail:

 

[ilovewings]

The good news is that she looks like a hag----

 

[daisydomino]

Is it any wonder why Nurmi is saying he's just too scared to testify? This way he gets his testimony on the record without having to face Juan.

Would he have to face perjury charges if Juan can prove he's lying? Isn't that why there were no mitigation witnesses last time, even though Nurmi said it was because of cyberbullying?

 

[Nali87]

Is it any wonder why Nurmi is saying he's just too scared to testify? This way he gets his testimony on the record without having to face Juan.

Exactly! But Nurmi's strategy is so obvious; saying that these witnesses not testifying hurts his case when he knows damn well he doesn't want to put these liars on the stand anyways. I bet JM would LOVE to crossexamine them.

 

[Kamille]

And he says he'll wait to make a decision about JA testifying until that appeal is done, right? Let's see... if the Ct App says "no death penalty," then JA won't testify because there won't be any more penalty phase. And if the Ct App says "continue on with the penalty phase," then JA won't testify either because she'll be sulking, right? What am I missing here? How could the Ct App decision on this hypothetical upcoming appeal possibly affect the determination of whether she will testify?

Trying to catch up on today's shenanigans so I apologize in advance if this has been asked and answered but isn't Nurmi effectively launching an actual appeal of the conviction by threatening to do this? Is there nothing in place to stop every defence attorney from appealing every ruling on every motion during the course of a trial because they don't get their way? And considering that Nurmi will likely not be JA's attorney for an actual appeal down the road, unless she's acquired enough money to pay his private practice fees and she doesn't use ineffective counsel as an appeal issue, is this just him trying to win something...anything...at this point? At all costs?

This is not about her rights. He has to know his arguments are ridiculous and her rights have not been violated in the least, in fact quite the opposite. It's like he's willing to go down in flames to make some kind of name for himself or something, even if it's a bad one. Works for Baez. I'm at a loss as to what else to believe at this point.

:waitasec:

MOO

 

[ElleElle]

Yep, she is nodding, as if she is in full agreement with Nurmi that JA can't get a fair sentencing or present mitigation. Not good. JMO

Agreed. JSS is totally on JA's side, IMO.

Maybe I need to move my date up to end of January. :sigh:

 

[Shadowboy]

Maybe she's just acknowledging that she is hearing and listening, not necessarily agreeing with him.

I agree Daisy D. I also agree with the other posters who had the same reaction. It will be enlightening to hear JS's decisions on the motions before her.

While the trial HAS been disjointed and far too secretive, IMO this judge is allowing the DT latitude because doing so will effectively knock the stuffing out of future appeals. If KN is taking arguments/appeals to the AZSC now ... and they refuse to hear the case or they fail to rule in the DT's favor ... where does he go from there?

He's gambling "all in" during this phase to protect his client from a death sentence.

I'm no lawyer, but -- from a strategic standpoint -- it appears he's walking a fine line between exhausting grounds for future appeals and laying the foundation for future appeals.

Not sure I said that right.

 

[Nali87]

Trying to catch up on today's shenanigans so I apologize in advance if this has been asked and answered but isn't Nurmi effectively launching an actual appeal of the conviction by threatening to do this? Is there nothing in place to stop every defence attorney from appealing every ruling on every motion during the course of a trial because they don't get their way? And considering that Nurmi will likely not be JA's attorney for an actual appeal down the road, unless she's acquired enough money to pay his private practice fees and she doesn't use ineffective counsel as an appeal issue, is this just him trying to win something...anything...at this point? At all costs?

This is not about her rights. He has to know his arguments are ridiculous and her rights have not been violated in the least, in fact quite the opposite. It's like he's willing to go down in flames to make some kind of name for himself or something, even if it's a bad one. Works for Baez. I'm at a loss as to what else to believe at this point.

:waitasec:

MOO

I think he and JW just made a lot of mistakes in this trial and are now overcompensating. These last motions scream "OOPS no child huh? Well let me just find something else - anything else really - to take your mind off my huge boast/blunder earlier".

And I do think it's about winning. He was ridiculed during the first trial. His ego needs a win!

Oh and let me say that I'm not here to assess anyone but am just giving my opinion.

 

[Hatfield]

For someone who demands not to be shown on camera, she sure manages to look directly into said camera, each and every time she's in court. I am so sick of this killer, her defense team and their unmitigated hypocrisy.

She scares me more than most male killers. Another killer that gave me the creeps like her is John Gardner who raped and killed multiple girls.

The reason I compare him to her and why they scare me is they both are truly phsychotic but you dont necessarily know it from watching them in court until they do something that gives it away.

For Jodi, it is her reactions when we got to watch her last trial. She is really conniving and always scheming and yet you dont always notice it because she can fake real good.

Same with Gardner until he gave himself away in court 1 day and when a victim that survived told him to his face how she elbowed him and broke his nose or something like that. His internal rage showed for all the world to see and it was at that moment we saw how he must have behaved when he killed the girls.

I think yesterday we would have seen some of that with Jodi when she got upset about the Supreme Court ruling. Her real giveaway is in her physchotic journal writings and how she makes it sound like she was so kind to Travis even in the arguments and it was all him as she tried to calm him down.
I suspect she was the one going off the handle on the phone with him and he was probably trying to calm her down. I can easily see where she is the killer but she hides it well.

She terrifies me because I can easily see how Travis had no idea she would attack him with a knife.

 

[LinasK]

Exactly! But Nurmi's strategy is so obvious; saying that these witnesses not testifying hurts his case when he knows damn well he doesn't want to put these liars on the stand anyways. I bet JM would LOVE to crossexamine them.

Agreed! He'd rip Marc McGgee a new one. And I saw Sandra W's comments on the Court Chatter article, she's something else!!

 

[Nali87]

I agree Daisy D. I also agree with the other posters who had the same reaction. It will be enlightening to hear JS's decisions on the motions before her.

While the trial HAS been disjointed and far too secretive, IMO this judge is allowing the DT latitude because doing so will effectively knock the stuffing out of future appeals. If KN is taking arguments/appeals to the AZSC now ... and they refuse to hear the case or they fail to rule in the DT's favor ... where does he go from there?

He's gambling "all in" during this phase to protect his client from a death sentence.

I'm no lawyer, but -- from a strategic standpoint -- it appears he's walking a fine line between exhausting grounds for future appeals and laying the foundation for future appeals.

Not sure I said that right.

You said it perfectly! He keeps appealing things and getting denied. If she gets death, he won't have anything new to present! The judges will be like "Deja Vu!!". If she gets life, all this would have been a waste of time. So why doesn't he just wait for the verdict!? It doesnt make any sense.

 

[Kamille]

Lol! It's incredible how he totallly ignored the and chose to focus on a silly music video. He's blaming JM but it's becoming clear that he didn't follow through on what his own expert testified to.

He had no reason to. His client retracted her original claim about child on the computer and changed it to pictures on paper that waft down in the chaotic way that paper does....or some such nonsense.

To try to back track now, even claiming today that JA was labelled a liar for claiming that there was on the computer when she did no such thing in the original trial, was another huge misstep in this ever changing retrial.

MOO

 

[elementary]

Originally Posted by MeeBee

If he does that this trial will never end. What would stop him from bringing every motion he's ever argued in front of this judge in to the COA? It's bizarre. I've never heard of a case being appealed before it's even finished.

It's called a "special action" and it's happened now twice in this case--once by KN regarding the judge's refusal to throw out the DP after Flores admitted he must have misunderstood Dr. Horn, and once by the media regarding the "secret trial" order. It's not unusual, but certainly it would be unusual if one was filed after every motion. There is quite a bit of case law guiding attorneys as to when it's appropriate to file a special action.

AZL, I think I must have brain fog from the hearing today. I don't think Laurence cares about the appropriateness of filing. He implied or threatened today that he would go to a higher court if the judge denied his motion. Do you think he can be judicious or will he actually give it a shot at every whim? There may be case law, but then, there is the Constitution and that didn't stop him. Colour me confused.